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SPEED & PERFORMANCE OF FAST BOWLERS N TRUNDLERS IN 2017 IPL


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36 minutes ago, Lord said:

In all the attention to Umesh,Bhuvi has emerged as most improved bowler

 

There's no reason why he shouldnt be regular even in Tests now

Bhuvi is most improved bowler in T20s. 

 

Attention was given to Umesh in test matches where he performed really well in the last 2 test series.

 

Whether Bhuvi becomes a regular or not in test matches ..... that decision should not be based on T20 performances.

 

 

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I have always wanted to see this from Indian pacers.

 

Insist on pace + accuracy from the pacers and you will get it ultimately. You cannot compromise either.

 

This is what the current Indian team management is doing. We are ultimately seeing a fast bowling culture in our country even at state level.

 

We have seen Umesh improving his accuracy in test matches while retaining pace. We have seen Bhuvi improve his pace in the shorter formats while retaining his skills. Shami had both but has still improved on both counts.

 

Benchmarking and competition have put our pace bowlers on the right track.

 

 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Bhuvi is most improved bowler in T20s. 

 

Attention was given to Umesh in test matches where he performed really well in the last 2 test series.

 

Whether Bhuvi becomes a regular or not in test matches ..... that decision should not be based on T20 performances.

 

 

Umesh actually sucked completely in tests in the beginning of this year, going wicketless and averaging 50s. The management and the captain still supported him, asked him to still bowl fast and the result is there for all to see. Bhuvi on the other hand took a couple of 5-fers and was averaging 15 but was constantly dropped and got 1 match every two series. There is no way a rhythm bowler like him can be in form without support or continuous runs

 

If Bhuvi gets the same support Umesh got, he would be running circles around the batsmen in test

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16 minutes ago, New guy said:

Umesh actually sucked completely in tests in the beginning of this year, going wicketless and averaging 50s. The management and the captain still supported him, asked him to still bowl fast and the result is there for all to see. Bhuvi on the other hand took a couple of 5-fers and was averaging 15 but was constantly dropped and got 1 match every two series. There is no way a rhythm bowler like him can be in form without support or continuous runs

 

If Bhuvi gets the same support Umesh got, he would be running circles around the batsmen in test

No he didn't, he only sucked if you ignore all the catches that were dropped when he was bowling. You are just saying he sucked because you are trying to justify how you were aggressively down voted every post that showed any type of praise of Umesh.

 

Its fine your a big fan of BK (so am I) but don't bash the efforts of other Indian bowlers that have been performing in order to praise him. He doesn't need it. 

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

Bhuvi bowled 133 k to 143 k.

 

Lots of 140 k + deliveries.

 

He still retains all his skills and have added more.

 

We are seeing lots of swinging yorkers, slower balls etc.

 

This combination of pace + skills is making him unplayable in T20s. 

 

 

amazing. Most improved for sure. I knew he was on to something after i saw him hit 140 in a test.

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1 hour ago, New guy said:

Umesh actually sucked completely in tests in the beginning of this year, going wicketless and averaging 50s. The management and the captain still supported him, asked him to still bowl fast and the result is there for all to see. Bhuvi on the other hand took a couple of 5-fers and was averaging 15 but was constantly dropped and got 1 match every two series. There is no way a rhythm bowler like him can be in form without support or continuous runs

 

If Bhuvi gets the same support Umesh got, he would be running circles around the batsmen in test

nope as it has already been pointed out he got around 6 catches dropped off him in the english series, he has been stellar this year. Ahead of BK, who is no more a trundler but is a fast medium, so he is practically one of the cynosures for the phast brigade now, much like Yadav/Aaron.

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Umesh actually sucked completely in tests in the beginning of this year, going wicketless and averaging 50s. The management and the captain still supported him, asked him to still bowl fast and the result is there for all to see. Bhuvi on the other hand took a couple of 5-fers and was averaging 15 but was constantly dropped and got 1 match every two series. There is no way a rhythm bowler like him can be in form without support or continuous runs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Bhuvi gets the same support Umesh got, he would be running circles around the batsmen in test

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry but that was manjrekars level.

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Bhuvi is most improved bowler in T20s. 

 

Attention was given to Umesh in test matches where he performed really well in the last 2 test series.

 

Whether Bhuvi becomes a regular or not in test matches ..... that decision should not be based on T20 performances.

 

 

True...but his sucess in t20 should not be used to mark him as a 'limited' bowler not worthy of playing tests. In bhuvi's case even his assets are used to depreciate his value.

Like he swings the ball , so he is limited condition bowler.

The standard of sucess expected off him is different from others.He is expected to get fifer's everytime he gets to play a test after long benchings .While others get praised for the brilliant bowling to take 1-2 wkts per match....he is criticized for doing the same on non helpful wkts.

 

Let all be treated equally.

 

Kohli treating him like he has been is not just Bhuvi's loss....lt is Kohli's and India's loss too.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Vilander said:

nope as it has already been pointed out he got around 6 catches dropped off him in the english series, he has been stellar this year. Ahead of BK, who is no more a trundler but is a fast medium, so he is practically one of the cynosures for the phast brigade now, much like Yadav/Aaron.

This catch drop.excuse.seems hillarious. If bhuvi goes wicketless for 1 innings he ia called out, yadav took 2 wickets in 7 innings of a 10 innings test series against England. There is a huge blind speed gun obsession on this forum. 

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10 hours ago, Lord said:

In all the attention to Umesh,Bhuvi has emerged as most improved bowler

 

There's no reason why he shouldnt be regular even in Tests now

In IPL, he was always good. Still he is better LOI bowler than anyone we have.

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Another gem.....he is always good in IPL.

So? ...that does not count?

 

If he is doing better than others in comparision....why is it not considered as an achievement ?

 Specially when all others are also getting to play the same teams.

 

When others do well in IPL....they are adding to their reputation.Players have been declared future ATG s based on IPL per formances but when it comes to Bhuvi .....it is dismissed as' he always does well in IPL'.......which basically means, what he does in ipl doesn't count for him ....others case is different.

 

Players have been declared ready to be drafted in test team in this forum based on IPL performance.

People who have not played a single loi or even are in the radar as net bowlers are ready to be drafted in...but bhuvi can get any number of fifers in his once in a while outings ...but he has been declared a limited conditions only bowler by the experts on icf....so how can he ever be test material.How can the expert opinion of icf stalwarts be changed? Ek baar bol diya...not test material so we have to tag that lineonly. 

 

 

He is the true step son of this forum.

He can keep improving , performing but he will never be good enough because only real sons of icf can be that. He will be dismissed after the first average performance. Why not? When we have a captain who treats him like a step son...

Why should his fans be any better? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, beetle said:

True...but his sucess in t20 should not be used to mark him as a 'limited' bowler not worthy of playing tests. In bhuvi's case even his assets are used to depreciate his value.

Like he swings the ball , so he is limited condition bowler.

The standard of sucess expected off him is different from others.He is expected to get fifer's everytime he gets to play a test after long benchings .While others get praised for the brilliant bowling to take 1-2 wkts per match....he is criticized for doing the same on non helpful wkts.

 

Let all be treated equally.

 

Kohli treating him like he has been is not just Bhuvi's loss....lt is Kohli's and India's loss too.

 

 

 

Bhuvi is in the test squad while quick pacers like Aaron are not even in the squad.  It shows that Bhuvi is in the scheme of things of the team management as a test bowler and is NOT being dubbed as a T20 bowler only.

 

His ability to swing the new ball is NOT held against him. It is always a plus. But, what test captains and coaches want to see from their test pacers is the ability to hit the deck hard when needed, to get bounce and seam movement when there is no conventional swing on offer ( which is often ). 

 

We have seen pacers bowling even  127 k to 137 k do well in test cricket but they all had the ability to hit the deck hard and get bounce and seam movement when needed.

 

Bhuvi has a wonderful seam position and a reasonably high-arm action. So, he should be able to improve his ability to hit the deck hard with some more practice and increase in shoulder, chest, leg and back strength ( which he is working on ).

 

As as when Bhuvi improves his deck-hitting ability along with retaining his newly developed pace, we will see him play more test matches.

 

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2 hours ago, beetle said:

Another gem.....he is always good in IPL.

So? ...that does not count?

 

If he is doing better than others in comparision....why is it not considered as an achievement ?

 Specially when all others are also getting to play the same teams.

 

When others do well in IPL....they are adding to their reputation.Players have been declared future ATG s based on IPL per formances but when it comes to Bhuvi .....it is dismissed as' he always does well in IPL'.......which basically means, what he does in ipl doesn't count for him ....others case is different.

 

Players have been declared ready to be drafted in test team in this forum based on IPL performance.

People who have not played a single loi or even are in the radar as net bowlers are ready to be drafted in...but bhuvi can get any number of fifers in his once in a while outings ...but he has been declared a limited conditions only bowler by the experts on icf....so how can he ever be test material.How can the expert opinion of icf stalwarts be changed? Ek baar bol diya...not test material so we have to tag that lineonly. 

 

 

He is the true step son of this forum.

He can keep improving , performing but he will never be good enough because only real sons of icf can be that. He will be dismissed after the first average performance. Why not? When we have a captain who treats him like a step son...

Why should his fans be any better? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is it putting him in bad light if I am saying he was always good in IPL. A fast bowler who does well in IPL should always be rated highly for LOIs.

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16 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

How is it putting him in bad light if I am saying he was always good in IPL. A fast bowler who does well in IPL should always be rated highly for LOIs.

It   is not the first time I have read this on this forum to dismiss him.

 

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11 hours ago, New guy said:

Umesh actually sucked completely in tests in the beginning of this year, going wicketless and averaging 50s. The management and the captain still supported him, asked him to still bowl fast and the result is there for all to see. Bhuvi on the other hand took a couple of 5-fers and was averaging 15 but was constantly dropped and got 1 match every two series. There is no way a rhythm bowler like him can be in form without support or continuous runs

 

If Bhuvi gets the same support Umesh got, he would be running circles around the batsmen in test

In my opinion, bhuvi should be kept away in tests. He should be a very good ODI bowler now. Tests would suck out a lot of energy than bhuvi can handle. Its fine to be a very good LOI bowler. Similarly Umesh shouldn't be a first choice for ODI's. 

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24 minutes ago, beetle said:

It   is not the first time I have read this on this forum to dismiss him.

 

Because he has not been able to replicate his IPL exploits in LOIs for India. I dearly hope he does now. Because we need this kind of bowling from him in ODIs. I don't want umesh anywhere near ODI team. Bk, bumrah, shami can form a very good attack in CT.

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BK has really impressed everybody,he's my pick as the 2nd seamer in CT 17 after Bumrah.

If we play 3 seamers then it should be Bumrah,BK and Hardik.If we play 4 then Shami comes

in.Looks a damn good fast bowling unit.It's a battle between Shami and Umesh for that 3rd

seamer spot as Hardik is a sure pick in the squad and in the XI at no. 7 in the line up.

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