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I will wanna select after IPL.

Msd is looking in bad form...makes sense to play pant as keeper because rishabh looks in supreme form and he is ready to replace msd as msd is in bad form till now.

Shammi still seems unfit..still not playing IPL.

Hardik is a must.

Krunnal pandya is not required in England.

Nehra can also be considered.

Bumrah umesh bhuvi are sure to be picked.

Jadeja should be picked n ashwin rested.

Spinners won't get anything in england.

One new pacer should be selected too.

I like ankit rajpoot the most as ishant won't be played.

Rahane virat dhawan kl rahul manish pandey kedar n vijay Shankar n hardik

 

 

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V should select both pace all rounders hardik and vijay Shankar.

Play hardik and if he fails then give Shankar a chance.

Nehra shammi bumrah umesh bhuvi are first choice pacers.

If v can pick 1 more ankit rajpoot is my choice. V can take just 1 jaddu as spinner.

Nehra and shammi"s fitness are a concern so v should pick only one who is fully fit or both subject to full fitness.

V shud pick 5 pacers and hardik and Shankar and jadeja.

If our batsman fail v can play all 3 all rounders and 2 fast bowlers strengthening our batting a lot.

If our batsman show strength v can play 4 fast bowlers and jadeja.

2 pace all rounders and 1 spin all rounder will give our batting strength.

 

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Because it is in Eng:

 

  • Rahul
  • Rahane vs Dhawan (depending on form)
  • Kohli 
  • Panday
  • MSD vs Pant, I read the discussion here so will keep the options open 
  • H Panday 
  • Jadeja 
  • Ashwin or Kuldeep (depending up on form) 
  • Bhuvi
  • Shami (assuming he is fit)
  • Bumrah 

 

Key features:

  • Quality test level openers to battle conditions in Eng 
  • Panday at 4, the baton passes to him 
  • Focus on a strong bowling attack with variety so at any given time, the team has access to 6 bowlers 
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37 minutes ago, zen said:

Because it is in Eng:

 

  • Rahul
  • Rahane vs Dhawan (depending on form)
  • Kohli 
  • Panday
  • MSD vs Pant, I read the discussion here so will keep the options open 
  • H Panday 
  • Jadeja 
  • Ashwin or Kuldeep (depending up on form) 
  • Bhuvi
  • Shami (assuming he is fit)
  • Bumrah 

 

Key features:

  • Quality test level openers to battle conditions in Eng 
  • Panday at 4, the baton passes to him 
  • Focus on a strong bowling attack with variety so at any given time, the team has access to 6 bowlers 

Weak batting lineup. need one more batsman (Jadhav) to replace a bowler.

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49 minutes ago, zen said:

Because it is in Eng:

 

  • Rahul
  • Rahane vs Dhawan (depending on form)
  • Kohli 
  • Panday
  • MSD vs Pant, I read the discussion here so will keep the options open 
  • H Panday 
  • Jadeja 
  • Ashwin or Kuldeep (depending up on form) 
  • Bhuvi
  • Shami (assuming he is fit)
  • Bumrah 

 

Key features:

  • Quality test level openers to battle conditions in Eng 
  • Panday at 4, the baton passes to him 
  • Focus on a strong bowling attack with variety so at any given time, the team has access to 6 bowlers 

No rohit????

Rahane shud be even in the picture

Test level opener to battle conditions in ENg, what conditions ENg produce pattas in ODI's

YUvraj singh n Jadhav wnt be be dripped after last series perfomance 

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1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

V should select both pace all rounders hardik and vijay Shankar.

Play hardik and if he fails then give Shankar a chance.

Nehra shammi bumrah umesh bhuvi are first choice pacers.

If v can pick 1 more ankit rajpoot is my choice. V can take just 1 jaddu as spinner.

Nehra and shammi"s fitness are a concern so v should pick only one who is fully fit or both subject to full fitness.

V shud pick 5 pacers and hardik and Shankar and jadeja.

If our batsman fail v can play all 3 all rounders and 2 fast bowlers strengthening our batting a lot.

If our batsman show strength v can play 4 fast bowlers and jadeja.

2 pace all rounders and 1 spin all rounder will give our batting strength.

 

Nehra......can he bowl 10 overs and field 50 overs 

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Only one among Ashwin and jadega can play...Jadega is a better fielder and better hitter..
Our bowling line up is sorted out
Bumrah, Bhuvi,shami ,hardik pandya, Ravindra jadega

WIth Jadhav chipping in 2 or 3 overs of spin

Msd and uv will be selceted but ideally they are far too inconsistent
and should be removed ..Pant or kartik can be given a go..pant should
be prefered coz he is a leftie and young. In place of UV at 4 Manish can play 
or KL rahul also If dhawan opens..
We need atleast two lefties..

Rahul, rohit kohli completes the top 3

Rohit/dhawan/kohli/rahul/jadhav/pant/
or
Rohit/Rahul/Kohli/pandey/Jadhav/pant

 

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51 minutes ago, PSB_Zone said:

Only one among Ashwin and jadega can play...Jadega is a better fielder and better hitter..
Our bowling line up is sorted out
Bumrah, Bhuvi,shami ,hardik pandya, Ravindra jadega

WIth Jadhav chipping in 2 or 3 overs of spin

Msd and uv will be selceted but ideally they are far too inconsistent
and should be removed ..Pant or kartik can be given a go..pant should
be prefered coz he is a leftie and young. In place of UV at 4 Manish can play 
or KL rahul also If dhawan opens..
We need atleast two lefties..

Rahul, rohit kohli completes the top 3

Rohit/dhawan/kohli/rahul/jadhav/pant/
or
Rohit/Rahul/Kohli/pandey/Jadhav/pant

 

2 spinners can play to if the ball turns like Last time

Yes our bowling actually looks to be our strength this time if all are fit

 

Apart from jadhav even yuvi can bowl 

I dnt think selectors have the guts to send a newbie like Pant, so karthik has more chances 

Agree we need lefties

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16 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Weak batting lineup. need one more batsman (Jadhav) to replace a bowler.

If the selected batsmen are not in the best form, the batting line up can be strengthened

 

But if a couple of batsmen are in great form with Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, etc. chipping in then an extra batsman may not be required 

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16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No rohit????

Rahane shud be even in the picture

Test level opener to battle conditions in ENg, what conditions ENg produce pattas in ODI's

YUvraj singh n Jadhav wnt be be dripped after last series perfomance 

Rohit can be selected if he shows promising form in the IPL 

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12 minutes ago, zen said:

If the selected batsmen are not in the best form, the batting line up can be strengthened

 

But if a couple of batsmen are in great form with Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, etc. chipping in then an extra batsman may not be required 

You can't go with just 5 batsmen in odis and that too in England relying on a couple of in form batsmen to bail you out. You are likely to lose a couple of early wkts and relying on lower order of Pandya, Jadeja etc. is not a reliable strategy.

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10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

You can't go with just 5 batsmen in odis and that too in England relying on a couple of in form batsmen to bail you out. You are likely to lose a couple of early wkts and relying on lower order of Pandya, Jadeja etc. is not a reliable strategy.

Modern ODI totals of 360+ are built by taking plenty of risk early - risk you can only take if your batting lineup has solidity and punch all the way down to 7 or 8.  With Jaddu or Ashwin coming at 8, even that spot is a bit weak.  But we need to be absolutely stacked with batting through 7.  If Hardik Pandya had not evolved into the viable player he has, our team would be one of the weakest middle-orders around.  

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26 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Modern ODI totals of 360+ are built by taking plenty of risk early - risk you can only take if your batting lineup has solidity and punch all the way down to 7 or 8.  With Jaddu or Ashwin coming at 8, even that spot is a bit weak.  But we need to be absolutely stacked with batting through 7.  If Hardik Pandya had not evolved into the viable player he has, our team would be one of the weakest middle-orders around.  

Couldn't agree more. We need to have 7 batsmen else you run the risk of putting up sub-par totals.

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11 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Couldn't agree more. We need to have 7 batsmen else you run the risk of putting up sub-par totals.

And we have been putting up sub-par totals in the last few years.  That's why we have lost to quality ODI teams like SA and Aus.  And barely escaped with a win against "new" England.   

 

The other issue is more tactical with our team.  We don't start innings the same way SA/Eng/Oz do - they are all prepared to risk losing 1 or 2 wickets early and try maximizing the 1st 10 overs.  They are betting that the risk comes off successfully more often than not, and sets up the innings with a higher probability of a par-plus total.  Our team approaches things more conventionally - Our top 3 bats try to take less risks and attempt to play a big innings - the theory that if one of the top 3 gets a big 100, then we'll get a big total.  Problem with the 2nd approach is, that if they don't succeed in batting big and cashing in later - then they have just used up a bunch of deliveries, reducing the ultimate total that the team could have reached.  Rohit Sharma is really guilty of this approach - his SR is atrociously poor in the 1st 15 overs of ODIs.  

 

I truly believe - we need a more pro-active batting strategy and batting order for the early part of the innings, especially if batting first in an ODI.  We need an opener to go out there and attack the bowling without trying to bed himself in for a big innings.  And tolerate a bit of failure from him.  Ideally, both openers should take the attacking role, and keep attacking until the fall of one wicket, the one that survives can go into "big innings mode.   Doing this is a pre-requisite for us to post adequate totals when batting first.   

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13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And we have been putting up sub-par totals in the last few years.  That's why we have lost to quality ODI teams like SA and Aus.  And barely escaped with a win against "new" England.   

 

The other issue is more tactical with our team.  We don't start innings the same way SA/Eng/Oz do - they are all prepared to risk losing 1 or 2 wickets early and try maximizing the 1st 10 overs.  They are betting that the risk comes off successfully more often than not, and sets up the innings with a higher probability of a par-plus total.  Our team approaches things more conventionally - Our top 3 bats try to take less risks and attempt to play a big innings - the theory that if one of the top 3 gets a big 100, then we'll get a big total.  Problem with the 2nd approach is, that if they don't succeed in batting big and cashing in later - then they have just used up a bunch of deliveries, reducing the ultimate total that the team could have reached.  Rohit Sharma is really guilty of this approach - his SR is atrociously poor in the 1st 15 overs of ODIs.  

 

I truly believe - we need a more pro-active batting strategy and batting order for the early part of the innings, especially if batting first in an ODI.  We need an opener to go out there and attack the bowling without trying to bed himself in for a big innings.  And tolerate a bit of failure from him.  Ideally, both openers should take the attacking role, and keep attacking until the fall of one wicket, the one that survives can go into "big innings mode.   Doing this is a pre-requisite for us to post adequate totals when batting first.   

Agreed. We are missing somebody like Sehwag up the order. I would love for Pant to be given that role. Give the kid license to go for broke at the top :agree: 

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1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Agreed. We are missing somebody like Sehwag up the order. I would love for Pant to be given that role. Give the kid license to go for broke at the top :agree: 

I want Pant to be targeted with short stuff this IPL.  Deliveries outside his arc.  I don't want him to be Yusuf mark II.   That's one thing that I don't see enough of in the IPL.  Pitches are too slow to make the short stuff effective, but still.   Short stuff isn't as much of a weakness as it used to be for our batters.  But its still definitely a way to restrict their scoring.  One thing about Rohit and Dhawan - Rohit is the best player of fast short stuff we have - and Dhawan is selfless enough to take risks against it, in spite of being shaky.  

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