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Indian "Liberals" claiming to be Champions of Science


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:laugh::laugh::facepalm:

 

yeah, Amartya Sen, nobel lauriate and liberal himself cannot handle 'logic or numbers'

Or Mahalanobis, greatest Indian modern mathematician after Ramanujan, couldn't do 'numbers'.


Chaddis are now grasping at straws. Come back about 'Liberals cant do math' when Hindi belt or Gujjus or Marathis - all the areas that are 'home ground' of Chaddis accomplish even 1 nobel prize in science or field's medal in math.

 

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On maintopic discussion 

Here are the thoughts of one of the queenwitches of libtardistan 

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Science is tough

Sagarika Ghose

Why’s the Great Indian Public thrilled about Bomb Daddy for president? Two answers. The first is obvious. We can’t help but feel a little relieved at the manner in which the Sangh has pulled off a cunning theft of secularism.

After Gujarat we are terrified about the Sangh’s plans for the future of India. We had visions of the hairy Sant Paramhans flying up Raisina on an udan khatola.

But in the midst of our fears… bang! Bomb Daddy explodes on the scene. He may be a token but at least he’s not ash-smeared with dreadlocks.

But there’s a second answer: Indians love Science. Science is beloved of the Indian middle-class and particularly of the Hindu patriarchs of the Sangh parivar. In India, Real Men all study Science. Boys are programmed from an early age to make Science their chief obsession. The IITs are shrines to a certain high Hindu male technological libido.

Atomic scientists, writes scientist Dhirendra Sharma, are a ‘super State’ within the State, comprising shadowy brahmanical scientists (mostly all Tam-Brahms and the occasional bawa like Bhabha) living antiseptic and secretive lives, loftily distant from the dirty masses.

They are pampered by the government, ferried back and forth to spotless fortified labs where they carry out incomprehensible expensive experiments. Atomic scientists are the extremely powerful but invisible brahmins of India. Scientism is, in fact, nothing but a version of Hindu brahminism.

Let’s carry out a survey. Murli Manohar Joshi is a physicist. So is NCERT Director J.S. Rajput. BP Singhal is an MSc. Pramod Mahajan is an MSc. Former RSS Sarsangchalak Rajju Bhaiyya taught physics at Allahabad University. Jaswant Singh is a BSc. KS Sudarshan is a telecommunications engineer. And what subject did MS Golwalkar study at Benares Hindu University? Science, of course!

Science, suggests Australian writer Dan Madigan, is particularly compatible with religious fundamentalism. The hard sciences, as opposed to the soft humanities, create an orthodox and extremist mentality. A technological education, Madigan writes, has a ‘can do’ approach. It believes that with the right design and the right materials you can build just about anything, including a technologically engineered history and a technologically controlled society.

The technological mind-set is profoundly impatient with the tentativeness, the ‘softness’ and the endless ‘may-be-may-not-be’ of the humanities. Guess what Osama bin Laden studied? Engineering, naturally. And Mohammad Atta? You got it. Also engineering.

For Indians the Humanities are considered the ‘soft’ option. The Humanities or Arts, the great subjects of Plato and Aristotle which as the name suggests keeps society ‘human’, are subjects like History, Literature and Politics. Yet, paradoxically, these are considered ‘soft’ subjects and are studied mostly by women. Women study Arts. But Men study Science. Science is ‘hard’, extremely macho but potentially insane.

Not that dear old Bomb Daddy has anything in common with fundamentalism. But as he embarks on his high office perhaps he might heed Nehru’s words: “Scientists can’t live in an ivory tower. If Science gets divorced from morality and ethics then it may be used for evil purposes. The scientific spirit must be essentially one of tolerance and the realisation that nobody has a monopoly on the truth.”

 

 

Clearly Indian Libtards are a breed apart from their western counterparts. Indian Libtards came about simply to provide cover to chrislamists. So why the urge to delve into an area that requires more than the double digit iq that their tribe possess? (as I am seeing recently on twitter) 

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6 minutes ago, surajmal said:

Sidebar discuss: Is uberbong laughing and facepalming at the same time or did he started laughing and realized in the middle of the laugh that he should really be facepalming? 

 

 

On maintopic discussion 

Here are the thoughts of one of queenwitches of libtardistan 

 

Clearly Indian Libtards are a breed apart from their western counterparts. Indian Libtards came about simply to provide cover to chrislamists. So why the urge to delve into an area that requires more than the double digit iq that their tribe possess? (as I am seeing recently on twitter) 

Man that article by Sagarika Ghose is pure filth. Ruined my day:wall:.

APJ is a true Indian hero, the tone of her article is so effing rude towards the great man. :((

Hate such pompous bags of ****. 

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Humanities is soft!? Philosophy is easy!? If Sagarika Ghose thinks philosophy is easy, she needs to do more research.

 

Philosophy is the parent of science, the modern scientific way of thinking came from Renee Descartes who was a philosopher laid the foundations of enlightenment era Europe.

 

And science is not hard actually, it's just that stringent education system of India makes subjects look tougher than it actually is.

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6 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Humanities is soft!? Philosophy is easy!? If Sagarika Ghose thinks philosophy is easy, she needs to do more research.

 

Philosophy is the parent of science, the modern scientific way of thinking came from Renee Descartes who was a philosopher laid the foundations of enlightenment era Europe.

 

And science is not hard actually, it's just that stringent education system of India makes subjects look tougher than it actually is.

This is the decisive difference between Indian educated engineers and western educated engineers i find. most western institutes insist that we take 5-6 courses from humanities with atleast a course or two in philosophy. Indian grads, i've never come across knowing anything academically outside their engineering degrees. 


Science is not hard, but Indian education system is not designed to educate the masses most efficiently, it is designed to 'how to harvest the brightest and most hardworking and trashing the rest'. This suits our model well, where we have 1.2 billion people but less than 1/10th the number of  post secondary education institutes of USA or Canada. 

And this is why we find so many instances of indian educated engineers or science-leaning graduates who cannot translate their ability of empiricism in other fields.

 

Also, historical evidence proves this Dan Madigan guy wrong, since we've seen scientific flowering in ancient Greece, India and chinese civilization come at a period when religious sentiments/extremism was at its lowest. Its no coincidence that our total mathematics and physics output nosedived after Bhakti movement started in the 8th century AD and for a full 4 centuries till India was conquered by Islam, our scientific output was less than half that of the 4 centuries prior to 8th century AD. Or that Europe did diddly squat between the Roman Empire adopting Christianity and enlightenment. 

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42 minutes ago, surajmal said:

Sidebar discuss: Is uberbong laughing and facepalming at the same time or did he started laughing and realized in the middle of the laugh that he should really be facepalming? 

 

 

On maintopic discussion 

Here are the thoughts of one of queenwitches of libtardistan 

 

Clearly Indian Libtards are a breed apart from their western counterparts. Indian Libtards came about simply to provide cover to chrislamists. So why the urge to delve into an area that requires more than the double digit iq that their tribe possess? (as I am seeing recently on twitter) 

This is why I've always said that the perfect counter to Chaddis and Islamists is western mentality liberals, not liberals of India who appease everything. 

But it is a fact that the bulk majority of scientific luminaries in India have come from far less religiously observant Bengali or Tamil culture than the far more 'chaddi' cultures like Gujarat, Maharashtra or the Hindi belt.

 

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Who or what is Bomb Daddy? I don't want to read the whole article. I stopped after "Sagar..".

She is calling APJ Abdul Kalam Bomb Daddy. In fact looking st some of her tweets about Dr Kalam, it looks like she hates him from the core of her heart. Such disrespect to an Indian icon.

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41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

She is calling APJ Abdul Kalam Bomb Daddy. In fact looking st some of her tweets about Dr Kalam, it looks like she hates him from the core of her heart. Such disrespect to an Indian icon.

Yeah, thats rather sad. Maybe she is an anti-war hippie. We have those on the west coast. Associate with military = satan. 

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Interesting topic! Libtards probably think they are flag bearers for just about anything including using adult diapers at public places rather than relieving themselves in the washroom 

 

The problem is when Libtards, esp. those who have pursued some science related degrees, try to argue against religion based on what the science has achieved / discovered so far. That is both missing the point on science and religion, and probably a case for “empty vessels making noise”

 

 

On philosophy, below is one of the poems by Rumi, the 13th century mystic and poet: 

 

In the tavern are many wines—the wine of delight in color and form and taste, the wine of the intellect’s agility, the fine port of stories, and the cabernet of soul singing.

 

Being human means entering this place where entrancing varieties of desire are served. The grapeskin of ego breaks and a pouring begins. Fermentation is one of the oldest symbols for human transformation. When grapes combine their juice and are closed up together for a time in a dark place, the results are spectacular.

 

This is what lets two drunks meet so that they don’t know who is who. Pronouns no longer apply in the tavern’s mud-world of excited confusion and half-articulated wantings. But after some time in the tavern, a point comes, a memory of elsewhere, a longing for the source, and the drunks must set off from the tavern and begin the return. The Qur’an says, “We are all returning.”

 

The tavern is a kind of glorious hell that human beings enjoy and suffer and then push off from in their search for truth. The tavern is a dangerous region where sometimes disguises are necessary, but never hide your heart, Rumi urges. Keep open there. A breaking apart, a crying out into the street, begins in the tavern, and the human soul turns to find its way home.

    

It’s 4 A.M. Nasruddin leaves the tavern and walks the town aimlessly. A policeman stops him. “Why are you out wandering the streets in the middle of the night?” “Sir,” replies Nasruddin, “if I knew the answer to that question, I would have been home hours ago!”

 

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

i wonder how our resident chaddi determines who is NRI and who's PIO.

Certificate issue karega tujhe, straight from Ram lalla janambhoomi ka sthan se.

 

Hilarious watching sanghis opening up threads on SCIENCE. Please, tell us how the vedas reveal the origin of the universe. Or how cow urine cures cancer.

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1 minute ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Certificate issue karega tujhe, straight from Ram lalla janambhoomi ka sthan se.

 

Hilarious watching sanghis opening up threads on SCIENCE. Please, tell us how the vedas reveal the origin of the universe. Or how cow urine cures cancer.

The fact that the Vedas are BS does not also take away from the fact that there are certain things in the Vedas that hint at a surprising level of scientific development.

The vedas show by far the most advanced understanding of time in an universal scale, till actual industrial revolution 200-ish years ago. 

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