kubrickian Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Is there any possibility of an alternative to BJP and Congress in the near future ? This is what these parties represent to me. BJP/RSS - Communal, fundamentalist attitude, taking India back to medieval times with retarded concepts like cow worship, ghar wapasi etc. Congress - nepotism/dynasty politics, vote bank politics, extreme corruption, mostly inefficient, anti development, failed miserably in national security etc. AAP - doesnt have mass appeal or pan-India appeal beyond Delhi and small pockets in North India. Kejriwal has less charisma than a door knob. Left - anti-development, confused party, pro-freebies party, losing whatever significance it had. Unfortunately, half of India lives in stone age, cow belt states like UP, Bihar, MP, Rajasthan etc. where people are mostly still stuck in Hindu-Muslim, caste based issues and vote for freebies. Other states have regional parties with their individual agenda who cant come together and successfully form a majority alliance in parliament. There is a need for an alternative progressive, pro-development, pro-merit, more inclusive government but I cant see any options currently. Edited April 12, 2017 by kubrickian Tendu_10, North Sea Tiger and Book_Worm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Pro merit is incompatible with inclusive. (in definition and moreso in application) Edited April 12, 2017 by surajmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubrickian Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, surajmal said: Pro merit is incompatible with inclusive. (in definition and moreso in application) Have reservations based on economic status than caste/religion. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, kubrickian said: Have reservations based on economic status than caste/religion. You will have a civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 BJP/RSS - Communal, fundamentalist attitude, taking India back to medieval times with retarded concepts like cow worship, ghar wapasi etc. => All issues from fringe elements of the party base and being highlighted overtly by MSM, opposition and intelligent militia, which is discussed by Lutyens media. People supporting BJP are ignoring these fringe element politics for now and are voting for main poll issues that BJP/Modi is raising. Congress - nepotism/dynasty politics, vote bank politics, extreme corruption, mostly inefficient, anti development, failed miserably in national security etc. => These issues are from mainstream elements of the party and that is the big difference. Even after 2014, UP 2017, if people can't understand why people vote for Modi, and think suddenly the whole of India has gone communal, you are making the same mistake as MSM. Go Figure. North Sea Tiger, Tendu_10, dial_100 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubrickian Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: BJP/RSS - Communal, fundamentalist attitude, taking India back to medieval times with retarded concepts like cow worship, ghar wapasi etc. => All issues from fringe elements of the party base and being highlighted overtly by MSM, opposition and intelligent militia, which is discussed by Lutyens media. People supporting BJP are ignoring these fringe element politics for now and are voting for main poll issues that BJP/Modi is raising. Congress - nepotism/dynasty politics, vote bank politics, extreme corruption, mostly inefficient, anti development, failed miserably in national security etc. => These issues are from mainstream elements of the party and that is the big difference. Even after 2014, UP 2017, if people can't understand why people vote for Modi, and think suddenly the whole of India has gone communal, you are making the same mistake as MSM. Go Figure. Why cant BJP completely disown these elements and say their party has nothing to do with them and condemn them harshly ? These criminals think they have support from BJP and hence think they can take law into their own hands. This is not what I want my country to stand for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Why cant BJP completely disown these elements and say their party has nothing to do with them and condemn them harshly ? These criminals think they have support from BJP and hence think they can take law into their own hands. This is not what I want my country to stand for. They can't do it now... BJP is still trying to establish itself and can't take any risks... It is doing some good development work in states it's ruling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 You aren't in a supermarket that you can simple pick and choose what you like. Political movements arent established on what pleases the middle ground. Emotive issues will turn off someone in a given sample of population. You don't like it? Vote for someone else. Better yet, start a political party on your stated principles and see if you get more than 10 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) AAP, in the future has a chance. No other party has a chance because except for AAP, BJP and Congress, all of them are regional parties or communists. AAP is super-new, i think they've already accomplished more in terms of political support and mileage in their first decade of existence than BJP's ancestor, the Janata Dal. National politics, even in much smaller nations than India, takes a few decades to recognize a party as a force. Edited April 12, 2017 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 No. It is either BJP or Congress. BJP is still the best bet considering present circumstances. Just hope they let go off some of the idiotic things they have preoccupied themselves with since coming to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 10 hours ago, kubrickian said: Have reservations based on economic status than caste/religion. How do you suggest we do that? People do not readily disclose incomes at all. Everybody underplays how much they earn. If people are incentivized further to be poor, our direct tax collection would fall even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Loksatta Party of J.P. Narayan Swaraj Abhiyan of Yogendra Yadav and Prashant Bhushan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 AAP has a long way to go and going by the attitude of Kejriwal and shenanigans, the future looks bleak... Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, asterix said: AAP has a long way to go and going by the attitude of Kejriwal and shenanigans, the future looks bleak... Yep but any party that hasn't been around for 20+ years have a long way to go for national politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Alternative to congress is BJP. All other options are no better than congress. PERIOD. So at the moment none. And obviously BJP is the best of the 2 for now and few years to come. This whole communal angle is overblown way too much. BJP needs to handle it diligently and not let the Law and order situation attenuate to the level where things appear as bad all over again. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Yep but any party that hasn't been around for 20+ years have a long way to go for national politics. Can't compare previous new parties with current new parties. With the advent of information, social media, media outlets, public access to hand held devices, funding, volunteers & NRI involvement, the time taken to promote new parties is much faster than old days... AAP could have expanded faster but for the stupid decision making of Kejri & co. Now on the activist path of blaming all the institutions including EC, it'll go down faster in public opinion... dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, asterix said: Can't compare previous new parties with current new parties. With the advent of information, social media, media outlets, public access to hand held devices, funding, volunteers & NRI involvement, the time taken to promote new parties is much faster than old days... AAP could have expanded faster but for the stupid decision making of Kejri & co. Now on the activist path of blaming all the institutions including EC, it'll go down faster in public opinion... I agree Kejri is holding back AAP but i think its overly optimistic to say they'd have done better. Even in this information age, it takes a long time for a party to establish national presence and India is probably the hardest to do so, since its so diverse and it takes a long time to bridge the different priorities of different ethnicities in India. But yeah, they are, as now, the only legitimate alternative to BJP/Congress but only in the distant future. Not for another 2-3 election cycles will they be relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Why do you need an alternative and why do you think the alternative will be better than both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, Texan said: Why do you need an alternative and why do you think the alternative will be better than both? because one party is all about muslim appeasement, the other is all about hindu fanaticism. So the majority of Indians are unrepresented and forced to choose between two crappy options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: because one party is all about muslim appeasement, the other is all about hindu fanaticism. So the majority of Indians are unrepresented and forced to choose between two crappy options. My guess is you are not from India. Both those realities for Congree and BJP can only hold true if one only follows Indian politics through TV debates. Book_Worm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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