Trichromatic Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 It's getting worse with time and all we hear is blame on Pakistan and separatists while our armymen and Kashmiris continue to suffer. How good are govt policies on this issue? Is GoI handling this issue properly to ensure saftey of our armymen and kashmiris both or they just use nationalism card to deflect the blame for their mismanagement. Recent election failed with low turnout and no one has been sacked from the govt. Armymen are being mistreated and no heads are rolling. Why is it so? BeautifulGame and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Kashmir is lost cause for India.India cannot give it up because it will create big communal environment and give boost to many separatist movements , while India cannot have it because Kashmiri muslims from past 70 years in coming years will never accept them as Indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Get rid of Article 370 granting special status to J/K. That was a big mistake from the start. Even Punjab was supposed to get that special status but never granted by Nehru and co but he advocated for that special status to J/K. You cannot have integration which such rules in effect that alienate a state from the rest of India. Let people from rest of India settle there freely and let the demographics change. Simple and harsh as that. Otherwise, with the militarization and radicalization, the rift will continue to grow. Firmly state the LOC as the international boundary and move on. J/K was already partitioned like other states like Punjab, Bengal. Pak already has as sizeable part of Kashmir. If people want to move, let there be emigration. Edited April 15, 2017 by PBN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Kashmir is lost cause for India.India cannot give it up because it will create big communal environment and give boost to many separatist movements , while India cannot have it because Kashmiri muslims from past 70 years in coming years will never accept them as Indians. 'Lost cause'? paaji Sikh ho, Aisi baatein Shobha nahi deti ap par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 41 minutes ago, randomGuy said: 'Lost cause'? paaji Sikh ho, Aisi baatein Shobha nahi deti ap par. Woh secular Singh hai manmohan hi tarah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 1 hour ago, PBN said: Get rid of Article 370 granting special status to J/K. That was a big mistake from the start. Even Punjab was supposed to get that special status but never granted by Nehru and co but he advocated for that special status to J/K. You cannot have integration which such rules in effect that alienate a state from the rest of India. Let people from rest of India settle there freely and let the demographics change. Simple and harsh as that. Otherwise, with the militarization and radicalization, the rift will continue to grow. Firmly state the LOC as the international boundary and move on. J/K was already partitioned like other states like Punjab, Bengal. Pak already has as sizeable part of Kashmir. If people want to move, let there be emigration. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: Kashmir is lost cause for India.India cannot give it up because it will create big communal environment and give boost to many separatist movements , while India cannot have it because Kashmiri muslims from past 70 years in coming years will never accept them as Indians. That's not the question. I am talking about recent events. Like PBN mentioned how Nehru made mistakes with J/K and he is last Indian leader who is blamed for Kashmir issue. After that there have been many ups and downs in Kashmir but we see leaders hinding behind army and nationalism. Our current policy makers should be held resonsible for difficulties faced by army and govt failure in controlling the situation. Pakistan is one main cause of the problem, but it's duty of govt to control the situation and they are failing at it. How come no one is questioning home minister for this mess? For all other issues they ask for resignation and inquiries but has any steps are being taken in this case. What's govt policy on this issue? Kashmir is an integral part of India and no force can separate it - that is repeated everywhere to please people. But I don't see many statements for steps being taken to ensure normalcy in the valley. It's time that people question our politicians and they put concrete roadmap to bring back Kashmir to normal situation. Getting rid of article 370 could be one such step. What's BJP stance on article 370? Are they planning to remove it soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 I don't think removing 370 will solve the issue. If it never existed, it would've been better, but I don't think it would have much impact now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NareshK Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Terrorists who use violence should be dealt with force. There is no other option. If Govt is soft on them, they will continue to thrive, recruit more people and grow larger. Those who surrender should be asked to lay down weapons and join mainstream. Give better protection for CRPF forces and army to shield themselves from stone throwers. Fatally injuring the civilians is not in our best interests. Maintaining peace and creating a normal security situation should be the goal. Improve developmental activity in the region by creating better infrastructure, create more jobs and improve economy. If people get back to doing their jobs and if their lives improve, the separatists will get lesser support. Nobody wants continuous conflict and will choose peace and prosperity for their families over war. It will take time to get things back to normalcy. We have to convince those Kashmiris who are against us that we are their well wishers and have their best interests at heart. It will need patience and long term effort. Edited April 15, 2017 by NareshK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Centre won't do anything, they are more concerned with showing that they can run a government successfully in Kashmir. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 'Lost cause'? paaji Sikh ho, Aisi baatein Shobha nahi deti ap par. I am just realistic , Nehru gave article 370 to Kashmiri's , due to that. Demographics heavily favour muslims in valley and they will now not allow non muslims to settle even if it is removed. Aur Solution hai kya ? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Stuge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Woh secular Singh hai manmohan hi tarah. Bhai aapki BJP Centre aur state dono mein hai.Solution karwa do Kashmir kaa .Power to hai naa , ab kahe kaa rona Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Singh bling said: I am just realistic , Nehru gave article 370 to Kashmiri's , due to that. Demographics heavily favour muslims in valley and they will now not allow non muslims to settle even if it is removed. Aur Solution hai kya ? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Nehru messed up Kashmir. Rajiv Gandhi was worst he messed up even further he turned blind eye when there was rise in terrorism in the valley. Article 370 doesn't allow people to settle to valley not Muslims. They effectively driven out Pandits and now we can't resettle anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 On 4/15/2017 at 9:09 PM, Trichromatic said: That's not the question. I am talking about recent events. Like PBN mentioned how Nehru made mistakes with J/K and he is last Indian leader who is blamed for Kashmir issue. After that there have been many ups and downs in Kashmir but we see leaders hinding behind army and nationalism. Our current policy makers should be held resonsible for difficulties faced by army and govt failure in controlling the situation. Pakistan is one main cause of the problem, but it's duty of govt to control the situation and they are failing at it. How come no one is questioning home minister for this mess? For all other issues they ask for resignation and inquiries but has any steps are being taken in this case. What's govt policy on this issue? Kashmir is an integral part of India and no force can separate it - that is repeated everywhere to please people. But I don't see many statements for steps being taken to ensure normalcy in the valley. It's time that people question our politicians and they put concrete roadmap to bring back Kashmir to normal situation. Getting rid of article 370 could be one such step. What's BJP stance on article 370? Are they planning to remove it soon? Nehru and Rajiv were partially were partially responsible for problem.The real problem was/is the secularists dreams of Hindu muslims living together and Right wing Hindu claiming entire land of Akhand Bharat.Expecting a muslim majority area that has border with islamic nation will accept Hindu majority nation was nothing more than day dream. The best solution was giving up 15000-20000 sq km of Muslim area of Kashmir to Pakistan while retaining Jammu and Ladakh. , The muslim population of Jammu ladakh should had been transferred to their islamic paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 On 4/15/2017 at 7:07 PM, gattaca said: Nehru messed up Kashmir. Rajiv Gandhi was worst he messed up even further he turned blind eye when there was rise in terrorism in the valley. Article 370 doesn't allow people to settle to valley not Muslims. They effectively driven out Pandits and now we can't resettle anyone. Can you tell me, how Nehru messed up Kashmir, if article 370 is the issue ? The Maharaja insisted on it for the instrument of accession. What was India going to do ? Also invade ? India's legitimacy comes from the fact that the legal sovereign of Kashmir acceded to India. He wanted article 370, so be it. If India said no to article 370, the King would've said no and then we too would be invaders. And then the world would take Pakistan's side on Kashmir due to Muslim-heavy demographics. Nehru messed up potentially by going to the UN about the 1949 war. But not for 370. Its not like he invented it, Maharaja Hari Singh insisted upon it and we didn't exactly have time to argue on it either, as Kashmir was already under invasion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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