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Pant was just playing too good, some of the deliveries weren't too bad by Umesh, especially that six which he put away on on side towards long on, even though Pant picked up the ball as a low full toss on off side. Don't think it was a bad delivery.

 

That said, Umesh needs to change it up a bit, like bowl some slow ones at most. Most bowlers need to do that. Umesh has the best pace in India, so he can realy develop on a good slow ball af 105ks, which can become as a weapon for him. 

 

 

 

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That's the bane of Indian cricket. After all they are the ones who see more potential in the likes of Rayudu and Rahane in shorter formats compared to Jadhav :dontknow: 

 

I have never criticized jadhav in fact I was praising him even before his debut.

Please stop mixing batting with bowling and yes forget sandeep I can't see him playing for India for at least next 10 years its not 90s we have much more deserving quickies then him(aeron included)

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Pant was just playing too good, some of the deliveries weren't too bad by Umesh, especially that six which he put away on on side towards long on, even though Pant picked up the ball as a low full toss on off side. Don't think it was a bad delivery.

 

That said, Umesh needs to change it up a bit, like bowl some slow ones at most. Most bowlers need to do that. Umesh has the best oace in India, so he can realy develop on a good slow ball af 105ks, which can become as a weapon for him. 

 

 

 

Yup, Umesh needs to add variety and work on a slower ball. Look at Milne. The guy is as fast as anyone and bowls a killer slower one. And Umesh can't nail yorkers either thus becomes one dimensional. He needs to learn how to change pace and bowl a slower delivery along with yorkers else batsmen will just go after him.

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Pant was just playing too good, some of the deliveries weren't too bad by Umesh, especially that six which he put away on on side towards long on, even though Pant picked up the ball as a low full toss on off side. Don't think it was a bad delivery.

 

That said, Umesh needs to change it up a bit, like bowl some slow ones at most. Most bowlers need to do that. Umesh has the best oace in India, so he can realy develop on a good slow ball af 105ks, which can become as a weapon for him. 

 

 

 

 

Welcome@Cricketics nice post,but little late you're like that Hindi move cop who always enter late in climax

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Just now, speedheat said:

 

I have never criticized jadhav in fact I was praising him even before his debut.

Please stop mixing batting with bowling and yes forget sandeep I can't see him playing for India for at least next 10 years its not 90s we have much more deserving quickies then him(aeron included)

I'm not mixing batting and bowling, I'm simply calling out the criteria we use for selecting players, i.e. optics over actual stats and performances.

 

My point is Sandeep has performed well at u-19, List A, FC and finally at IPL. At every level he stepped up and has performed as well as anyone so why shouldn't he get his shot? Why should someone like Aaron or anyone jump ahead of him? Since when bowling is about speed guns and not the actual peformances? In that respect Sandeep is going through the same hurdles Jadhav had to go through, i.e. watching folks who performed poorly get ahead of him.

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I'm not mixing batting and bowling, I'm simply calling out the criteria we use for selecting players, i.e. optics over actual stats and performances.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point is Sandeep has performed well at u-19, List A, FC and finally at IPL. At every level he stepped up and has performed as well as anyone so why shouldn't he get his shot? Why should someone like Aaron or anyone jump ahead of him? Since when bowling is about speed guns and not the actual peformances? In that respect Sandeep is going through the same hurdles Jadhav had to go through, i.e. watching folks who performed poorly get ahead of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See again you're mixing things up sorry but sandeep is not the jadhav of bowling, jadhav is pure class at the most sandeep can be a karun nair of bowling.

 

 

Having success in domestic doesn't means he will succeed in internationals.

 

Sandeep will end up like pk

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Just now, speedheat said:

 

 

See again you're mixing things up sorry but sandeep is not the jadhav of bowling, jadhav is pure class at the most sandeep can be a karun nair of bowling.

How do you know that? How can be sure that Sandeep will be Nair of bowling and not jadhav? Everyone thought the same about Jadhav before he got his chances. So far what we've seen Sandeep is more of a Jadhav than Nair. Check out Sandeep's stats in IPL for the last 3-4 years. That's a big sample size and he has performed admirably and hasn't been found out. Show me which domestic bowlers have had similar performances over the same time span?

 

It's moot for us to speculate whether Sandeep will fail or not. He has shown over the years that at the very least Sandeep deserves a chance to see whether he can make it or not at the highest level. On what basis can he be denied that opportunity? Simply because folks think he "might" fail despite his record so far? If that's the case then you may very well not try a player at all coz chances are that the said player will fail.

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How do you know that? How can be sure that Sandeep will be Nair of bowling and not jadhav? Everyone thought the same about Jadhav before he got his chances. So far what we've seen Sandeep is more of a Jadhav than Nair. Check out Sandeep's stats in IPL for the last 3-4 years. That's a big sample size and he has performed admirably and hasn't been found out. Show me which domestic bowlers have had similar performances over the same time span?

 

 

 

It's moot for us to speculate whether Sandeep will fail or not. He has shown over the years that at the very least Sandeep deserves a chance to see whether he can make it or not at the highest level. On what basis can he be denied that opportunity? Simply because folks think he "might" fail despite his record so far? If that's the case then you may very well not try a player at all coz chances are that the said player will fail.

 

 

 

 

He got his chance and got spanked by zimboks

 

that's his level can't go above it.

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How do you know that? How can be sure that Sandeep will be Nair of bowling and not jadhav? Everyone thought the same about Jadhav before he got his chances. So far what we've seen Sandeep is more of a Jadhav than Nair. Check out Sandeep's stats in IPL for the last 3-4 years. That's a big sample size and he has performed admirably and hasn't been found out. Show me which domestic bowlers have had similar performances over the same time span?

 

 

 

It's moot for us to speculate whether Sandeep will fail or not. He has shown over the years that at the very least Sandeep deserves a chance to see whether he can make it or not at the highest level. On what basis can he be denied that opportunity? Simply because folks think he "might" fail despite his record so far? If that's the case then you may very well not try a player at all coz chances are that the said player will fail.

 

 

 

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-zimbabwe-1st-t20i-stats-sandeep-sharma-becomes-10th-bowler-to-concede-a-six-off-his-first-ball-in-t20is/

 

 

 

Six off his first ball in t20 rofl

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Yup, Umesh needs to add variety and work on a slower ball. Look at Milne. The guy is as fast as anyone and bowls a killer slower one. And Umesh can't nail yorkers either thus becomes one dimensional. He needs to learn how to change pace and bowl a slower delivery along with yorkers else batsmen will just go after him.

Hence I said, needs to go bowl more in 50 over domestics next year when there are tournaments and bowl fast and slow both. Need play more LOI,s and then should come back to Indian LOI side as an improved bowler. He is already bowling well in tests and show some signs in 2020 and 50 overs too but next year hopefully he gets tonplay plenty of 50 over domestics. 

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36 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Hence I said, needs to go bowl more in 50 over domestics next year when there are tournaments and bowl fast and slow both. Need play more LOI,s and then should come back to Indian LOI side as an improved bowler. He is already bowling well in tests and show some signs in 2020 and 50 overs too but next year hopefully he gets tonplay plenty of 50 over domestics. 

Agreed. he needs to hone skills at the domestic level before getting into the Indian team. However, he should not compromise his test bowling skills.

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2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

So far haven't seen that coz Sandeep has clearly out-performed likes of Umesh and Aaron in the IPL. I would rather go with someone who "might" be thrashed compared to someone who actually is :agree: 

For our Indian T20 team, I would not pick anyone among Aaron, Umesh or Sandeep.

 

Basil Thampi and Shardul Thakur look like the 2 best prospects for the shorter formats because they can bowl yorkers, bouncers, slower balls, have pace, change of pace etc. They can bowl at the beginning as well as at the end....while Sandeep is good only at the beginning.

 

I would look to groom Shardul and Thampi as they look like skilled thinking bowlers who have pace too.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, speedheat said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

He got his chance and got spanked by zimboks

 

that's his level can't go above it.

No. A one off T20 game with practically an India A squad is not called "got his chance". A youngster getting his chance is being given a couple of series at least with the actual team. You can't have one set of criteria for Sandeep and a different one for likes of Aaron who hasn't shown anything yet.

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No. A one off T20 game with practically an India A squad is not called "got his chance". A youngster getting his chance is being given a couple of series at least with the actual team. You can't have one set of criteria for Sandeep and a different one for likes of Aaron who hasn't shown anything yet.

 

 

 

 

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-zimbabwe-1st-t20i-stats-sandeep-sharma-becomes-10th-bowler-to-concede-a-six-off-his-first-ball-in-t20is/

 

 

See this what an stud lol

 

Also please refer to expressjis post he has nicely summed it up.

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33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

For our Indian T20 team, I would not pick anyone among Aaron, Umesh or Sandeep.

 

Basil Thampi and Shardul Thakur look like the 2 best prospects for the shorter formats because they can bowl yorkers, bouncers, slower balls, have pace, change of pace etc. They can bowl at the beginning as well as at the end....while Sandeep is good only at the beginning.

 

I would look to groom Shardul and Thampi as they look like skilled thinking bowlers who have pace too.

 

 

 

 

Aaron and Umesh shouldn't be picked coz they haven't shown they can succeed in that format. Sandeep deserves to be given chances as he has out-performed his competition. If Sandeep isn't a thinking bowler i don't know what the definition of "thinking bowler' is. Despite everyone slagging him for his lack of pace, height and what not the guy keeps on producing results. Must be doing something right.

 

Reading about Sandeep here reminds me of the movie Gattaca. Looks like he doesn't deserve to be selected no matter what his performances :facepalm: 

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Better than likes of Umesh and Aaron in shorter formats.

 

I am damn proud of umesh and aeron, they can stay away from tamasha cricket where people comes to watch trundlers like sandip getting smashed, I would take

umesh and aeron over sandip any day in tests and odis .

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12 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Aaron and Umesh shouldn't be picked coz they haven't shown they can succeed in that format. Sandeep deserves to be given chances as he has out-performed his competition. If Sandeep isn't a thinking bowler i don't know what the definition of "thinking bowler' is. Despite everyone slagging him for his lack of pace, height and what not the guy keeps on producing results. Must be doing something right.

 

Reading about Sandeep here reminds me of the movie Gattaca. Looks like he doesn't deserve to be selected no matter what his performances :facepalm: 

 

Sandeep does not have either a good yorker or a good slower ball or a good bouncer. 

 

Skills which are very important in LOIs these days.

 

He is good only in the opening overs. India generally plays only 2 specialist  pacers ( along with Pandya who is not a good death bowler either ) and we cannot afford to have one of them who is not a good death bowler.

 

Who will bowl at the death then ?

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Sandeep does not have either a good yorker or a good slower ball or a good bouncer. 

 

 

 

Skills which are very important in LOIs these days.

 

 

 

He is good only in the opening overs. India generally plays only 2 specialist  pacers ( along with Pandya who is not a good death bowler either ) and we cannot afford to have one of them who is not a good death bowler.

 

 

 

Who will bowl at the death then ?

 

 

 

 

Bro, sandip and bouncers can't coexist, even if he tries one it will reach the batsmen next day , I would rather play a quality spinner ahead of sandip type trundler anyday!!

 

 

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Sandeep does not have either a good yorker or a good slower ball or a good bouncer. 

 

Skills which are very important in LOIs these days.

 

He is good only in the opening overs. India generally plays only 2 specialist  pacers ( along with Pandya who is not a good death bowler either ) and we cannot afford to have one of them who is not a good death bowler.

 

Who will bowl at the death then ?

If Sandeep plays I would bowl Bhuvi and Bumrah at the death. Sandeep would be in the squad as a 3rd pacer after Bhuvi and Bumrah as both Bhuvi and Bumrah deserve a spot ahead of Sandeep in the playing XI. If we play overseas and/or conditions helpful to have an additional pacer I would slot Sandeep in. I would bowl most of his overs first up so he doesn't have to bowl at the death.

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22 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

I am damn proud of umesh and aeron, they can stay away from tamasha cricket where people comes to watch trundlers like sandip getting smashed, I would take

umesh and aeron over sandip any day in tests and odis .

problem is Umesh and Aaron get smacked everywhere in shorter formats and as for Aaron he gets smacked in Tests too. The fact that you would select Aaron in all formats ahead of someone like Sandeep says it all :giggle: 

 

I'm sure you are one of those who sees a player succeed after he gets a chance say "but i always backed him" the same way you did for Jadhav :phehe: 

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2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

If Sandeep plays I would bowl Bhuvi and Bumrah at the death. Sandeep would be in the squad as a 3rd pacer after Bhuvi and Bumrah as both Bhuvi and Bumrah deserve a spot ahead of Sandeep in the playing XI. If we play overseas and/or conditions helpful to have an additional pacer I would slot Sandeep in. I would bowl most of his overs first up so he doesn't have to bowl at the death.

I doubt that we will play 4 pacers for T20I games.

 

Bhuvi, Bumrah and Pandya ( as all-rounder )  will play.

 

If someone is injured, we will have to pick another seamer who is good at death bowling.

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27 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

I am damn proud of umesh and aeron, they can stay away from tamasha cricket where people comes to watch trundlers like sandip getting smashed, I would take

umesh and aeron over sandip any day in tests and odis .

Welcome to phasttt gang :hysterical: idk why posting pattern feels like a multi of someone i know here:elefant:

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

I doubt that we will play 4 pacers for T20I games.

 

Bhuvi, Bumrah and Pandya ( as all-rounder )  will play.

 

If someone is injured, we will have to pick another seamer who is good at death bowling.

In T20 I doubt pandya will ever bowl 4 overs. If we don't go with 2 spinners overseas (either Jaddu or Ashwin), you will have to pick another bowler and at the moment I would pick Sandeep. If 2 spinners are picked then Sandeep remains on the bench but he definitely deserves to be in the squad in shorter formats based on his performances.

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Just now, sarchasm said:

Guys, get over this Sandeep fetish. He's never playing for India save for gratuitous Zimbok tours. All of you molesting yourselves over Bhuvi, notice how he is breaking his back to crank the speedometer in order to stay relevant. That ought to be your clue.

Arrey bhai, if we could only discuss things that will make a difference then ICF will cease to exist :giggle: I don't think we are convincing selectors to pick a squad. We are simply fans who are discussing who "deserves" to be in the team and whom we would pick if we are given a chance.

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problem is Umesh and Aaron get smacked everywhere in shorter formats and as for Aaron he gets smacked in Tests too. The fact that you would select Aaron in all formats ahead of someone like Sandeep says it all :giggle: 

 

I'm sure you are one of those who sees a player succeed after he gets a chance say "but i always backed him" the same way you did for Jadhav :phehe: 

 

Lol why are you having brain fade and bringing jadhav into the discussion, I have always backed jadhav lol.

And I would have a good quick pace bowler over a bowler who bowls too many pies in between , Bowls 130-135 kph but grunts and huffs and puffs like he's bowling at 180 kph, has no quick yorker no bouncer no slower one just not good enough.

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29 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

If Sandeep plays I would bowl Bhuvi and Bumrah at the death. Sandeep would be in the squad as a 3rd pacer after Bhuvi and Bumrah as both Bhuvi and Bumrah deserve a spot ahead of Sandeep in the playing XI. If we play overseas and/or conditions helpful to have an additional pacer I would slot Sandeep in. I would bowl most of his overs first up so he doesn't have to bowl at the death.

Shami kaha gaya? He is our best LOI bowler. Sorry I cant call Bhuvi our best bowler until he takes wickets. No point in keeping Bhuvi and Bumrah until the death if we cant take wickets at the start. They cant undo the damage from the start if we cant pick up wickets.

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Indian present phasttt bowlers lack brain :orderorder: Umesh or aaron 

 

 

 

When next gen pacers roll out i ll consider not going on that hype train for now 

 

 

 

For me Bhuvi > Umesh in LOIs

 

 

 

 

Bhuvi is, no doubt but bhuvi too isn't a trundler now and he has become the member of India's fast gang and yess by no means umesh is brainless if he was then wouldn't have been our highest wicket taker in wc15 aeron too is quality, my problem is bowlers like vinno pk dhawal sandip yo Mahesh mithun who are overrated by some idiotic analyst.

 

Viper please join us, common you're better poster then calling someone a brainless.

 

 

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Just now, speedheat said:

 

Bhuvi is, no doubt but bhuvi too isn't a trundler now and he has become the member of India's fast gang and yess by no means umesh is brainless if he was then wouldn't have been our highest wicket taker in wc15 aeron too is quality, my problem is bowlers like vinno pk dhawal sandip yo Mahesh mithun who are overrated by some idiotic analyst.

Viper joined us, common your batter poster then calling someone a brainless.

You don't see me calling zaheer or shami brainless cause they are real deal... 

 

They are star bowlers for India:orderorder:

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3 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Shami kaha gaya? He is our best LOI bowler. Sorry I cant call Bhuvi our best bowler until he takes wickets. No point in keeping Bhuvi and Bumrah until the death if we cant take wickets at the start. They cant undo the damage from the start if we cant pick up wickets.

I purposely took out Shami as he's not durable enough. And Bhuvi will bowl upfront as well so it's not as if Sandeep bowls from both ends. It's just that Sandeep will bowl out all his overs in PP and before the death. And he's capable of taking wkts at the start of an innings. That's the whole point of having a bowler, isn't it?

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You don't see me calling zaheer or shami brainless cause they are real deal... 

 

They are star bowlers for India:orderorder:

 

So as umesh and aeron they are star too, don't forget umesh was our star of recently concluded test series, aeron too was highly praised by English media when we toured England.

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23 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

Lol why are you having brain fade and bringing jadhav into the discussion, I have always backed jadhav lol.

And I would have a good quick pace bowler over a bowler who bowls too many pies in between , Bowls 130-135 kph but grunts and huffs and puffs like he's bowling at 180 kph, has no quick yorker no bouncer no slower one just not good enough.

I'm simply showing what folks like you do. Push for useless non-performers like Aaron or Rayudu in the team and likes of Sandeep or Jadhav continue to sit on the sidelines. Once they make it big after getting a chance, folks like you jump on the bandwagon and callingthat particular player as "always was special".

 

The comparison is valid as Sandeep is going through the exact same thing Jadhav went through. Jadhav had the best Average and SR in domestic cricket but apparently wasn't "convincing" enough or didn't have the "X factor". Sandeep has done the same in domestic cricket and IPL over the years and for him he "doesn't have the pace" or "lacks height". It's the same treatment both have had to face despite topping their respective disciplines.

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1 minute ago, speedheat said:

 

So as umesh and aeron they are star too, don't forget umesh was our star of recently concluded test series, aeron too was highly praised by English media when we toured England.

:hysterical: Highly praised while getting tonked all over the place :rofl::rotfl: 

 

That's a good one. Aaron should play coz he was "highly praised" though he sucks when he plays :giggle: 

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I'm simply showing what folks like you do. Push for useless non-performers like Aaron or Rayudu in the team and likes of Sandeep or Jadhav continue to sit on the sidelines. Once they make it big after getting a chance, folks like you jump on the bandwagon and callingthat particular player as "always was special".

 

The comparison is valid as Sandeep is going through the exact same thing Jadhav went through. Jadhav had the best Average and SR in domestic cricket but apparently wasn't "convincing" enough or didn't have the "X factor". Sandeep has done the same in domestic cricket and IPL over the years and for him he "doesn't have the pace" or "lacks height". It's the same treatment both have had to face despite topping their respective disciplines.

 

Sandeep don't have ingredients to succeed that's harsh but true, I will play a half fit aeron over sandeep any day even in t20s.

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Given that you are pushing for Aaron ahead of Sandeep, I doubt you would know what the "ingredients of success" are :giggle: 

 

 

 

 

Pace

 

Swing

 

Accuracy

 

Quick yorkers

 

Quick bouncers

 

Height

 

Deceiving slower one

 

 

Except for swing sandip has nothing of above, facts presented.

 

 

Sandip is big Ño

 

Now tell.

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2 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

Pace

Swing

Accuracy

Quick yorkers

Quick bouncers

Height

Deceiving slower one

 

Except for swing sandip has nothing of above, facts presented.

 

Sandip is big Ño

 

The only things which count for a bowler in short formats are :-

 

Bowling Average

 

Economy Rate

 

Sandeep is ahead of most of the domestic bowlers on that front.

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:hysterical: Highly praised while getting tonked all over the place :rofl::rotfl: 

 

That's a good one. Aaron should play coz he was "highly praised" though he sucks when he plays :giggle: 

 

Good for you have some lough, bcoz you have been exposed with your 5fit sandeep in this thread.

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