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The only things which count for a bowler in short formats are :-

 

Bowling Average

 

Economy Rate

 

Sandeep is ahead of most of the domestic bowlers on that front.

 

ROFL you're too stats obsessed, you asked me ingredients so I presented.

 

Good night will meet tomorrow.

 

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54 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Shami kaha gaya? He is our best LOI bowler. Sorry I cant call Bhuvi our best bowler until he takes wickets. No point in keeping Bhuvi and Bumrah until the death if we cant take wickets at the start. They cant undo the damage from the start if we cant pick up wickets.

 

Yes....Shami and Bumrah are the two first choice pacers for ODIs with Hardik as the 3rd pacer all-rounder.

 

Bhuvi comes in only if either are injured or we play 4 pacers.

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55 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

Good for you have some lough, bcoz you have been exposed with your 5fit sandeep in this thread.

The only thing exposed here is your cricketing knowledge, or lack thereof, when you stated you will take Aaron ahead of Sandeep in all formats coz English media "praised" Aaron :laugh: 

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The only thing exposed here is your cricketing knowledge, or lack thereof, when you stated you will take Aaron ahead of Sandeep in all formats coz English media "praised" Aaron  

 

 

 

 

A fully fit aeron is 10 times better then sandeep lol

 

You have already ate a egg on your face when you called umesh a brainless now its time for one more...

 

 

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So these so called "ingredients" trump actual performances and stats? :confused:  That's a new one :dontknow: 

 

No pace no accuracy no bounce no yorker how can you even call him a fast bowler ?? Lol even rashid khan smacked him for six

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27 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

A fully fit aeron is 10 times better then sandeep lol

 

You have already ate a egg on your face when you called umesh a brainless now its time for one more...

 

 

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Aaron 10 times better than Sandeep :hysterical: I don't think we will ever see the day when "fully fit" Aaron manages to get his stats in the same ballpark as Sandeep :giggle: 

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Aaron 10 times better than Sandeep :hysterical: I don't think we will ever see the day when "fully fit" Aaron manages to get his stats in the same ballpark as Sandeep :giggle: 

 

 

 

 

Rehne De bhai, even half fit aeron will out bowl sandip in his speciality that is death bowling lol, its fast bowling not gilli danda to play a trundler like sandip

 

 

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1 minute ago, speedheat said:

 

Rehne De bhai, its fast bowling not gilli danda to play a trundler like sandip emoji16.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.pngemoji28.png

Yeah phaaast bowling is what likes of Aaron can specialise in... getting hit all around the park but at least he has better stats on the speedgun front :phehe: 

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Yeah phaaast bowling is what likes of Aaron can specialise in... getting hit all around the park but at least he has better stats on the speedgun front :phehe: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When your sandip bowls even speed gun goes to sleep lmao

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When your sandip bowls even speed gun goes to sleep lmao emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji51.pngemoji51.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sandeep shows up where it counts - in performance and stats - unlike some whose sole mission is to somehow break the 140 kph barrier while getting smashed all over the park :phehe: 

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4 hours ago, speedheat said:

 

No pace no accuracy no bounce no yorker how can you even call him a fast bowler ?? Lol even rashid khan smacked him for six emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.png

This is the biggest problem. Why do you want a "fast" bowler? If I have a bowler who can get wickets regularly at a decent economy rate, in different conditions, then why does it matter whether you can call him a "fast" bowler, or "medium pacer" or "trundler" or "dibbly dobbly" bowler? All that matters is taking wickets and keeping runs down.

 

Read about bowlers like Derek Underwood. Traditional spinners would castigate such a bowler who hardly ever gave the ball air and bowled at such a pace that often people considered him more of a medium pacer than a spinner. Yet, he was extremely successful as an England cricketer. Closer home - there were at least a dozen spinners playing domestic cricket in India who could spin the ball more than Anil Kumble could during his time. Yet, Kumble, with his odd action and variations was one of the top spin bowlers the World has seen in the last two decades. Another name - Colin Miller - in the limited time that he played Test cricket, he was very successful as a part time off-spinner and part time medium pacer. Why does it matter what classification you give to a bowler as long as they get results?

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More than speed Sandeep is a bottler. If he is targeted he has no clue whatsoever what to do. While he may still bowl better against lesser batsman, International batsmen will wallop him in such situations. Heck even Zimbabwe thrashed him.

 

I don't think that's lack of bottle.Just lack of pace.

 

When you are one trick pony solely relying on swing and conditions, most teams will find it easy on good wickets . Zimbabwe or Pakistan or any other minnow doesn't matter.

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2 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

I don't think that's lack of bottle.Just lack of pace.

 

When you are one trick pony solely relying on swing and conditions, most teams will find it easy on good wickets . Zimbabwe or Pakistan or any other minnow doesn't matter.

Actually he can bowl Yorkers, slower ones(lol). Yes lack of speed is also one factor not helping. And yes he is a bottler.

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Actually he can bowl Yorkers, slower ones(lol). Yes lack of speed is also one factor not helping. And yes he is a bottler.

 

He definitely can't bowl good yorkers . Regularly gets thrashed in the final overs and often bowls length balls .

 

 

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This is the biggest problem. Why do you want a "fast" bowler? If I have a bowler who can get wickets regularly at a decent economy rate, in different conditions, then why does it matter whether you can call him a "fast" bowler, or "medium pacer" or "trundler" or "dibbly dobbly" bowler? All that matters is taking wickets and keeping runs down.

 

Read about bowlers like Derek Underwood. Traditional spinners would castigate such a bowler who hardly ever gave the ball air and bowled at such a pace that often people considered him more of a medium pacer than a spinner. Yet, he was extremely successful as an England cricketer. Closer home - there were at least a dozen spinners playing domestic cricket in India who could spin the ball more than Anil Kumble could during his time. Yet, Kumble, with his odd action and variations was one of the top spin bowlers the World has seen in the last two decades. Another name - Colin Miller - in the limited time that he played Test cricket, he was very successful as a part time off-spinner and part time medium pacer. Why does it matter what classification you give to a bowler as long as they get results?

 

You need pace with accuracy to neutralize the modern rampaging batsmen just look at bhuvi,increased his pace and almost unplayable now. we are not demanding a pace demon but pace bowler should be quick enough to succeed not like trundler sandip with almost zero ingredients.

 

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Sandeep shows up where it counts - in performance and stats - unlike some whose sole mission is to somehow break the 140 kph barrier while getting smashed all over the park :phehe: 

 

When is the last time sandip delivered a ball and received by wicket keeper in the same night???

 

Yes sandip does shows us where it counts you know where it is?? out of the stadium lol

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Just now, speedheat said:

 

You need pace with accuracy to neutralize the modern rampaging batsmen just look at bhuvi,increased his pace and almost unplayable now. we are not demanding a pace demon but pace bowler should be quick enough to succeed not like trundler sandip with almost zero ingredients.

 

Bhuvi has been successful in IPL even in the past. The lesson Bhuvi teaches is that a good bowler can increase his pace and still keep his skills. But it has yet to be seen in the case of Aaron that a pace bowler can develop skills needed to take wickets and keep runs down. Even Bhuvi was castigated many times for not "being fast enough".

 

By the way, I am not by any means asking for Sandeep to be included in Indian team. I don't think he has enough skills to trouble good batsmen on bowler unfriendly conditions. My post was a general comment about how some folks here consider speed gun as the one and only criterion to determine eligibility.

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Bhuvi has been successful in IPL even in the past. The lesson Bhuvi teaches is that a good bowler can increase his pace and still keep his skills. But it has yet to be seen in the case of Aaron that a pace bowler can develop skills needed to take wickets and keep runs down. Even Bhuvi was castigated many times for not "being fast enough".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, I am not by any means asking for Sandeep to be included in Indian team. I don't think he has enough skills to trouble good batsmen on bowler unfriendly conditions. My post was a general comment about how some folks here consider speed gun as the one and only criterion to determine eligibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no problem with bhuvi tbh, pace is an tool and should be first thing to look out for any rookie pacer hence speed guns are important, see you can always teach other aspect but you cannot teach a PACE , bhuvi always had all those aspect but now with increased pace he is on different level.

 

You agrees that sandip is not eligible for international, then please explain that it too your buddy ultimate game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

When is the last time sandip delivered a ball and received by wicket keeper in the same night??? emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji28.png

 

Yes sandip does shows us where it counts you know where it is?? out of the stadium lol emoji13.png

Well idk what your guys discussing about... but to answer your question

 

I just went to youtube and typed in sandeep sharma first video i found 

 

 

Caught by gilly WK 

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2 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

I have no problem with bhuvi tbh, pace is an tool and should be first thing to look out for any rookie pacer hence speed guns are important, see you can always teach other aspect but you cannot teach a PACE , bhuvi always had all those aspect but now with increased pace he is on different level.

Dude, you just contradicted yourself in the same line.

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4 minutes ago, Viper said:

Well idk what your guys discussing about... but to answer your question

 

I just went to youtube and typed in sandeep sharma first video i found 

 

 

Caught by gilly WK 

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Read what you have written though. It is a contradiction of your stated position.

 

Hmm got it first line was for pacers who had natural pace, other line is for pacers like bhuvi, any way, my problem is not bhuvi i always liked him,

but those medium pacers like sandip mithun yo Mahesh arvind unadkat Vinny Kumar type bowlers.

You do seems to agree that sandip is not eligible for internationals,then please explain that to your buddy. Kind regards

 

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Another video here 

 

 

 

Got gayle out clean bowled 

 

Kohli out lbw and partiv out edged to keeper again

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude you're wasting your mbs, sandip is good only when their is swing in offer for first 1.5 overs.

 

He is shyte in death

 

 

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Reality is sandeep sharma is a better bowler than umesh in t20s 

 

 

 

Only a fool would deny that 

 

 

 

He has better eco and took more wics in less matches 

 

 

 

Ok me is fool gautham is fool wasim is fool kohli is fool who ever backed umesh is fool, dude your trolling no one then yourself by calling sandip better then ummi, let him first prove himself in tests(lol),

 

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-zimbabwe-1st-t20i-stats-sandeep-sharma-becomes-10th-bowler-to-concede-a-six-off-his-first-ball-in-t20is/

 

 

Read it what an beast lol

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

Hmm got it first line was for pacers who had natural pace, other line is for pacers like bhuvi, any way, my problem is not bhuvi i always liked him,

but those medium pacers like sandip mithun yo Mahesh arvind unadkat Vinny Kumar type bowlers.

You do seems to agree that sandip is not eligible for internationals,then please explain that to your buddy. Kind regards

 

I don't think Umesh or Aaron should be playing LOI cricket for India either. They are far too profligate and despite spending so many years in and around the Indian team, have not learnt the skills necessary to succeed in LOI cricket.

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I don't think Umesh or Aaron should be playing LOI cricket for India either. They are far too profligate and despite spending so many years in and around the Indian team, have not learnt the skills necessary to succeed in LOI cricket.

 

 

 

 

:facepalm: umesh haven't learn a skill?? I thought reverse swing is a skill, god help me, poor umesh and aeron were always in and out of the team because of either injuries or because of that stubborn mule playing internal politics.( and that's why its not so many years)

 

Both of them were never backed until kohli stepped forward, umesh was our highest wicket taker in WC 2015 he always delivers when it counts and Arron is not far away too I am damn sure if ever he get rid of injury he will come good too.

 

Fully fit Arron and umesh are 100 times better

 

then those dibbly dobblys in any format

 

 

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1 minute ago, speedheat said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

:facepalm: umesh haven't learn a skill?? I thought reverse swing is a skill, god help me, poor umesh and aeron were always in and out of the team because of either injuries or because of that stubborn mule playing internal politics.( and that's why its not so many years)

 

 

Both of them were never backed until kohli stepped forward, umesh was our highest wicket taker in WC 2015 he always delivers when it counts and Arron is not far away too I am damn sure if ever he get rid of injury he will come good too.

 

 

Fully fit Arron and umesh are 100 times better

 

 

then those dibbly dobblys in any format

 

 

Not good enough for LOIs. Umesh has showed some improvement in the last Test series vs Aus and definitely should be in the starting XI in a Test, but his LOI records are poor and recent form in LOIs is even poorer than his already poor LOI record.

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Hmm got it first line was for pacers who had natural pace, other line is for pacers like bhuvi, any way, my problem is not bhuvi i always liked him,

but those medium pacers like sandip mithun yo Mahesh arvind unadkat Vinny Kumar type bowlers.

You do seems to agree that sandip is not eligible for internationals,then please explain that to your buddy. Kind regards

 

 

How is Yo Mahesh so popular with u guys considering he has never played for India lol

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Not good enough for LOIs. Umesh has showed some improvement in the last Test series vs Aus and definitely should be in the starting XI in a Test, but his LOI records are poor and recent form in LOIs is even poorer than his already poor LOI record.

 

Let's wait and watch, umesh was highest wicket taker in WC 2015 and was instrumental in winning us ct 2013

Only pure haters and trolls prefers to denied that, he is beast under kohli has already proven that in test matches and odis are not far away, he can stay away from that tamasha cricket.

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15 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

Let's wait and watch, umesh was highest wicket taker in WC 2015 and was instrumental in winning us ct 2013

Only pure haters and trolls prefers to denied that, he is beast under kohli has already proven that in test matches and odis are not far away, he can stay away from that tamasha cricket.

So, are you saying that Umesh doesn't perform well under Dhoni and only Kohli is gets the best out of him? Well, stats don't prove your argument. Umesh's Test bowling average under Dhoni is 31, while under Kohli the same is 40. Even WC 2015 and CT 2013 where you are saying that Umesh did well, was not under Kohli.

 

This captaincy thing is a lame excuse used here. When he performs, then it is his talent and when he doesn't, blame the captain. If anybody was hard done by Dhoni more than Umesh or any other player, it was Rahane, who sat on bench for 16 Tests watching others make their debut before him. Yet, when he got his opportunity, he made the most of it. Umesh has been playing international cricket for 7 years now. He should know how to bowl in LOIs after all those years.

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So, are you saying that Umesh doesn't perform well under Dhoni and only Kohli is gets the best out of him? Well, stats don't prove your argument. Umesh's Test bowling average under Dhoni is 31, while under Kohli the same is 40. Even WC 2015 and CT 2013 where you are saying that Umesh did well, was not under Kohli.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This captaincy thing is a lame excuse used here. When he performs, then it is his talent and when he doesn't, blame the captain. If anybody was hard done by Dhoni more than Umesh or any other player, it was Rahane, who sat on bench for 16 Tests watching others make their debut before him. Yet, when he got his opportunity, he made the most of it. Umesh has been playing international cricket for 7 years now. He should know how to bowl in LOIs after all those years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"""Umesh's Test bowling average under Dhoni is 31, while under Kohli the same is 40.""

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This has to be the worst excuse ever given, damn seriously man what's the logic behind it??? For how long kohli has been captaining us??? as if he will retire tomorrow lol , arrey bhai kohli kya ghode bealch ke sone wala hai kya??? That's the reason why I used the words WAIT and WATCH.

 

Please don't be too obsessed with stats, be practical, an average of 40 means 1.5 wickets per match since you can't have a wicket in fraction make it 2 wickets per match and that's not bad to be called as worst.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Within that 7 years whatever little chances he got he has done a descent job I wouldn't say extraordinary but a decent,but the haters preferred to be blind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Viper said:

Reality is sandeep sharma is a better bowler than umesh in t20s 

 

Only a fool would deny that 

 

He has better eco and took more wics in less matches 

Only that its IPL. Bring Sandeep to internationals and he would be cannon fodder. Sandeep is accurate.He has skills to bowl good at death also.He can swing. But he lacks mental toughness to succeed at internationals. Target him for a while (ofcourse not in swing helpful conditions) and see the fun. :money:

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Only that its IPL. Bring Sandeep to internationals and he would be cannon fodder. Sandeep is accurate.He has skills to bowl good at death also.He can swing. But he lacks mental toughness to succeed at internationals. Target him for a while (ofcourse not in swing helpful conditions) and see the fun. :money:

absolutely ,agreed

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/india-vs-zimbabwe-1st-t20i-stats-sandeep-sharma-becomes-10th-bowler-to-concede-a-six-off-his-first-ball-in-t20is/

 

This proves you're post what a beast lol

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5 hours ago, Pollack said:

Only that its IPL. Bring Sandeep to internationals and he would be cannon fodder. Sandeep is accurate.He has skills to bowl good at death also.He can swing. But he lacks mental toughness to succeed at internationals. Target him for a while (ofcourse not in swing helpful conditions) and see the fun. :money:

And you are saying Umesh and Aaron are "mentally tough" when attacked in shorter formats :phehe: What I've seen over the years is couple of aggressive shots against either and they melt down faster than ice in the desert :laugh: 

 

I guess Sandeep must have one of the best stats for a pacer bowling in PP in IPL over the past 3-4 years coz batsmen must not have targeted him coz which batsman goes after a bowler in PP :dontknow: 

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Since the question of Sandeep's exceptional stats in the IPL are being raised often......

 

Sandeep Sharma's stats have not been that good in this IPL.  Only 5 wickets from 5 matches  @ 32.6 and ER of 8.6

 

He has picked only 28 wickets from 28 matches in the last 2 IPLs also.

 

Most of his good performances have been in 2013 and 2014.

 

Looks like he has not been in top form in the last 3 years.

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41 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:


 

And you are saying Umesh and Aaron are "mentally tough" when attacked in shorter formats :phehe: What I've seen over the years is couple of aggressive shots against either and they melt down faster than ice in the desert :laugh: 

 

I guess Sandeep must have one of the best stats for a pacer bowling in PP in IPL over the past 3-4 years coz batsmen must not have targeted him coz which batsman goes after a bowler in PP :dontknow: 

I don't rate Aron. Umesh is O.K. He wasn't suited for a shorter format  for a long time. Even now may not. He did not vary pace , bowl Yorkers etc in death. Now he does. In any case where did I compare him to others. From where did Umesh and Aron come into discussion when I wasn't at all comparing.

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8 hours ago, speedheat said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no problem with bhuvi tbh, pace is an tool and should be first thing to look out for any rookie pacer hence speed guns are important, see you can always teach other aspect but you cannot teach a PACE , bhuvi always had all those aspect but now with increased pace he is on different level.

 

You agrees that sandip is not eligible for international, then please explain that it too your buddy ultimate game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't that a contradiction ?

You say pace is prerequisite because it can't be taught ......while other skills can be taught.

Bhuvi was not fast...he was able to increase  pace .So...if required...increasing pace can be taught .

Bhuvi  was always skilled.....how many bowlers who did not have the ability to swing ,have gone on to become really good swing bowlers?

 

I think basic bowling talent and bowling brain is the prerequisite. Rest all can be taught if there is a will to learn and work hard.

 

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