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Champions Trophy 2017: Squads and other news.

@Mods make a consolidated topic for CT 2017.Posting the Aus squad for the CT2017.

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Australia squad: Steve Smith (c), David Warner, Pat Cummins, Aaron Finch, John Hastings, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Moises Henriques, Chris Lynn, Glenn Maxwell, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Matthew Wade (wk), Adam Zampa

Faulkner dropped.Looks likes a very strong side.

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Strong strong but suprirsed to see Faulkner not there, one of the best ODI players who could bowl and bat both. Head/Henriqes  might not get a game and hence they could have used Faulkner there in the squad for him or Henriques.

 

Still a pretty good squad.

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Strong strong but suprirsed to see Faulkner not there, one of the best ODI players who could bowl and bat both. Head might not get a game and hence they could have used Faulkner there in the squad for him or Henriques.

 

Still a pretty good squad.

They dont need variations it seems,they have gone for all out pace.Anyways I think Faulkner's batting and bowling both have regressed considerably.

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South African Squad

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Hashim Amla, Quinton de Kock, Faf du Plessis, AB de Villiers (capt), JP Duminy, David Miller, Chris Morris, Wayne Parnell, Andile Phehlukwayo, Kagiso Rabada, Imran Tahir, Keshav Maharaj, Dwaine Pretorius, Farhaan Behardien, Morne Morkel

Will they choke again?

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8 minutes ago, thecricketer said:

batting look weak.. South African squad is stronger.

Very explosive side,could be carnage if typical English featherbeds of last 2 years are provided for the tournament.

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10 minutes ago, BCCI said:

They dont need variations it seems,they have gone for all out pace.Anyways I think Faulkner's batting and bowling both have regressed considerably.

Honestly, Faulkner hasn't played enough conssitently for Australia due to injuries and rotation. Regardless of him there or not, Aussies always have a strong ODI squad. They have hitters down the order and also bowlers.

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2 minutes ago, BCCI said:

South African Squad

Will they choke again?

I feel Australian squad is still better. De Kock will be coming back from injury and Duminy also from some time off from cricket and Miller isn't the same batsman currently what he used to be. Lot of burden on De Villiers and Du Plesis, which is not like that for Australia.

 

Australain squad is much stronger. 

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Bangladesh Squad:

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Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Imrul Kayes, Mushfiqur Rahim (wk), Shakib Al Hasan, Sabbir Rahman, Mahmudullah, Mosaddek Hossain, Mashrafe Mortaza (capt), Mustafizur Rahman, Rubel Hossain, Taskin Ahmed, Sunzamul Islam, Mehedi Hasan, Shafiul Islam

 

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5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I feel Australian squad is still better. De Kock will be coming back from injury and Duminy also from some time off from cricket and Miller isn't the same batsman currently what he used to be. Lot of burden on De Villiers and Du Plesis, which is not like that for Australia.

 

Australain squad is much stronger. 

I think with Tahir in the side ,Proteas have a slightly better side.Still I expect Aus to have a better tournament than SA overall.

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8 minutes ago, BCCI said:

I think with Tahir in the side ,Proteas have a slightly better side.Still I expect Aus to have a better tournament than SA overall.

Tahir can be handy but don't think he will be that big of a threat in England. 

South Aftica plays its group games in Edgbaston and The Oval, I see him being decent at Edgbaston where seamers go for a plenty, but overall i think South Africa will be okayish. They can surely beat India on paper in group game but not Australian team in anu scenario.

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5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Tahir can be handy but don't think he will be that big of a threat in England. 

South Aftica plays its group games in Edgbaston and The Oval, I see him being decent at Edgbaston where seamers go for a plenty, but overall i think South Africa will be okayish. They can surely beat India on paper in group game but not Australian team.

Cant disagree about Aus beating SA but I think Tahir will be an asset for SA .Oval also is not too bad for a spinner.

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6 minutes ago, BCCI said:

Cant disagree about Aus beating SA but I think Tahir will be an asset for SA .Oval also is not too bad for a spinner.

Ya, India have to beat Pak and Lanka comprehensively as surely South Africa start favorites against India with that squad. Whatever squuad we can put, south african team on paper looks better than ours. 

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6 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Ya, India have to beat Pak and Lanka comprehensively as surely South Africa start favorites against India with that squad. Whatever squuad we can put, south african team on paper looks better than ours. 

I think beating SL and Pakistani shouldnt be much of a hassle but lets see.

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2 hours ago, GreatestTeamAus said:

Can`t wait untill, Maxwell,Warner and Co, make the Indians cry, like in the last WC.

Last World cup ? 50 Over of T20? ;-)

 

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Aussie squad is basically a gamble on power and pace.  Batting line-up is mostly power hitters and Steve Smith.  Finch, Warner, Head, Maxwell, Lynn, Moises, Stoinis - On their day, this team can threaten 500.  But lacks a bit of batting class - a weakness that will require quality bowling to expose.   Essentially they are approaching ODIs as longer T20s.  And aiming at 400 if batting first.  

 

Contrast this with our batting lineup - VK, Dhoni and even Yuvraj - 3 consolidators in the middle - relying on rookie Jadhav's improvisations and Pandya to provide a few big hits down the order.    Our team aims at 320 starting out, and if we have a good day, maybe get to 350.  CT will be a good preview of the 2019 WC in terms of tactics, wickets and conditions.  I expect South Africa to win the CT this time.  

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Aussie squad has too many pacers... They should have had Faulkner instead of Hastings

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7 hours ago, Mosher said:

Aussie bowling line up - Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and Pattinson :afraid: 

Our fat Sharjeel smashed them in all parts....

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1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

Our fat Sharjeel smashed them in all parts....

For all of what 5 balls? ODIs are a bit longer than 5 overs.  That's why your team is so poor in that format, can either survive for that long, or score quickly for a short burst - not possible for them to do both on a consistent basis.   

 

How sad is it that greenbros are now clamoring to bring fat Sharjeel back - as if he was AB De Villiers - even though he was caught fixing games.  But on second thought, for that team and that fan base, fat sharjeel is like a ABDV.    Man, if Parthiv or Uthappa were born a bit farther west, they would be greenbro "ATGs" by now.  

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

For all of what 5 balls? ODIs are a bit longer than 5 overs.  That's why your team is so poor in that format, can either survive for that long, or score quickly for a short burst - not possible for them to do both on a consistent basis.   

 

How sad is it that greenbros are now clamoring to bring fat Sharjeel back - as if he was AB De Villiers - even though he was caught fixing games.  But on second thought, for that team and that fan base, fat sharjeel is like a ABDV.    Man, if Parthiv or Uthappa were born a bit farther west, they would be greenbro "ATGs" by now.  

He averaged 50 in the series. Scored 3 consecutive fifties, I don't think these are 5 balls...

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12 hours ago, Mosher said:

Aussie bowling line up - Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and Pattinson :afraid: 

epic bowling lineup, if there is hint of bounce opposition will get peppered.

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4 hours ago, sandeep said:

For all of what 5 balls? ODIs are a bit longer than 5 overs.  That's why your team is so poor in that format, can either survive for that long, or score quickly for a short burst - not possible for them to do both on a consistent basis.   

 

How sad is it that greenbros are now clamoring to bring fat Sharjeel back - as if he was AB De Villiers - even though he was caught fixing games.  But on second thought, for that team and that fan base, fat sharjeel is like a ABDV.    Man, if Parthiv or Uthappa were born a bit farther west, they would be greenbro "ATGs" by now.  

speaking of Parthiv he is actually a very good batsman. Wonder why he does not get a few games for India.

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1 hour ago, Vilander said:

speaking of Parthiv he is actually a very good batsman. Wonder why he does not get a few games for India.

He's good for what he is.  Gets most of his boundaries in powerplay and against spinners.  Hard for him to sustain his scoring rate once the field restrictions are gone.  Better test bat than most people rate him, but his glove work is still OK at best.   As a package he's useful, and comfortably a few notches ahead of the latest Pakistani Messiah - the aggressive Sarfraz - with gloves and bat - but reality is that there are better batsmen in India than him, better 'keepers than him, and also better 'keeper-batsmen than him.   If he was from Pak, he would have been a 10 year captain by now though.  Miles ahead of the likes of Khatmal, Sarfraz etc.  

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

He's good for what he is.  Gets most of his boundaries in powerplay and against spinners.  Hard for him to sustain his scoring rate once the field restrictions are gone.  Better test bat than most people rate him, but his glove work is still OK at best.   As a package he's useful, and comfortably a few notches ahead of the latest Pakistani Messiah - the aggressive Sarfraz - with gloves and bat - but reality is that there are better batsmen in India than him, better 'keepers than him, and also better 'keeper-batsmen than him.   If he was from Pak, he would have been a 10 year captain by now though.  Miles ahead of the likes of Khatmal, Sarfraz etc.  

If he is better than sarfraz then why u play the likes of dhawan rahane and even rohit because Sarfraz's record is better than all of these.

There is a limit to hype and idiocity isn't he the same  short fat kid who couldn't buy a run in 2010 in England

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3 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Don't think any of three played together in that series.

Watch scorecard please. 

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1 hour ago, Sidhoni said:

Australia is top heavy. In middle order Head and Lynn are inexperienced, Maxwell is unpredictable. Why haven't they picked Bailey?

Looks like they are going all in on the T20 style batting lineup - They probably expect flat roads in England.  And the batting unit in this squad will be stacked with power-hitting all the way down.  Apart from Smith, the rest are all power-hitters.  Although Head is supposedly highly rated and can maybe do more than just tonk the ball.  They expect Smith to drop anchor while the hitters will keep coming at the bowling.  Picking Moises and Stoinis over Faulkner also priortizes batting over bowling.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Marshall said:

If he is better than sarfraz then why u play the likes of dhawan rahane and even rohit because Sarfraz's record is better than all of these.

There is a limit to hype and idiocity isn't he the same  short fat kid who couldn't buy a run in 2010 in England

"record"?? Why does Sarfraz hide at #5 in that weaker than BD and SL batting lineup?  Because he's not technically good enough to face the new ball, even in ODIs.  Guy can't hit a 6 if given a lollipop fulltoss by a spinner.  And you claim he's better than Rohit and Dhawan?  Kiddo, you really don't understand cricket much do you.  

 

Look, harsh truth is that Parthiv Patel is a much better test cricketer than Sarfraz - any day.  Both are average to sub-par wicket-keepers and Parthiv is miles ahead as a test batsman - good enough to open the batting in tests.  And has done it away from home against quality teams.  "Aggressive" Sarfraz comes in and scores a few single-doubles with the tail.  That's about the extent of his abilities - He puts a price on his wicket, and does well.  But his batting abilities have a very clear ceiling.  If you can't see that, then you don't understand what batting is all about.   Its a bit closer in white ball cricket, but even there head to head, Patel would get picked before Sarfraz if a neutral had to pick one out of the 2.  Now run along and think of new "insults" like duckdulkar or some other nonsense, that you think are going to rile up Indians.  Child.  

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First of all his comparison with that Parthiv is nothing short of a Joke.

Secondly he clearly has better stats than rohit and dhawan even though they have added advantage of opening the batting,you can check it stats speak itself and Your argument regarding his absolutely absurd as he maintains 90+ strike rate almost all the time even without "hitting" because he is canny player who knows how to find gaps and hit boundaries regularly though he is not a mascular guy.

And it seems you got offended by "duckdulker" but saying "UAE KHAN" is ok.

You will get what u give kid.Tit for tat

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5 hours ago, LegBye said:

I have few tickets for Ind v Pak but can't go. Any good sites where I can sell these tickets?

How much are you selling it for?

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1 hour ago, Marshall said:

First of all his comparison with that Parthiv is nothing short of a Joke.

Secondly he clearly has better stats than rohit and dhawan even though they have added advantage of opening the batting,you can check it stats speak itself and Your argument regarding his absolutely absurd as he maintains 90+ strike rate almost all the time even without "hitting" because he is canny player who knows how to find gaps and hit boundaries regularly though he is not a mascular guy.

And it seems you got offended by "duckdulker" but saying "UAE KHAN" is ok.

You will get what u give kid.Tit for tat

Parthiv-Sarfraz comparison is no joke - the joke is on you for getting so worked up over a simple reality.  Parthiv >> Sarfraz in test cricket - this is not even worthy of a debate.  I've seen Sarfraz keep wicket - he makes Parthiv looks professional and reliable by comparison.  

 

For ODIs, here's some "stats' for you  - Sarfraz averages 8 runs against Aus in Aus - Dhawan averages 42+ at 99+ SR  Dhawan has scored clutch match-winning ODI innings in champions trophy and world cup.  Sarfraz only looks decent compared to the pile of incompetents that make up the rest of the Pak batting lineup.  He wouldn't even make it into India 'A' team  for ODIs.  Good for Pakistan's standards though.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, sandeep said:

Looks like they are going all in on the T20 style batting lineup - They probably expect flat roads in England.  And the batting unit in this squad will be stacked with power-hitting all the way down.  Apart from Smith, the rest are all power-hitters.  Although Head is supposedly highly rated and can maybe do more than just tonk the ball.  They expect Smith to drop anchor while the hitters will keep coming at the bowling.  Picking Moises and Stoinis over Faulkner also priortizes batting over bowling.  

 

 

True, looks more of a T20 lineup.

 

England are doing the same thing as well, with Root playing Smith's role. But they don't have the luxury of a pace attack as good as Aussies.

 

 

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England squad :

 

Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

 

Think Wood coming back from injury could potentially be the surprise package with the ball and add an extra dimension to the attack.

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England squad :

 

 

Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

 

Think Wood coming back from injury could potentially be the surprise package with the ball and add an extra dimension to the attack.

 

What pace does he bowl?

 

Is he 140k or 150k like Cummins .I am seeing lot of hype around his selection .But seems too much to put on a guy returning from long term injury layoff.

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7 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Think Wood coming back from injury could potentially be the surprise package with the ball and add an extra dimension to the attack.

 

 

What pace does he bowl?

 

Is he 140k or 150k like Cummins .I am seeing lot of hype around his selection .But seems too much to put on a guy returning from long term injury layoff.

Not quite Cummins pace but he's definitely the quickest bowler in the England squad. He's also fairly short for a fast bowler so is a bit skiddy. He's been plagued with reoccurring injuries in recent years so hopefully he hasn't lost much pace.

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14 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Think Wood coming back from injury could potentially be the surprise package with the ball and add an extra dimension to the attack.

 

 

What pace does he bowl?

 

Is he 140k or 150k like Cummins .I am seeing lot of hype around his selection .But seems too much to put on a guy returning from long term injury layoff.

And to add to the above the best sample videos i can find of his bowling :

 

 

 

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England are 2nd favorites according to me after the chokers.   South Africa, England, Australia, India, and the rest.  That's how I see them ranked going into the Champions trophy.   England's fate will depend on how they bowl the middle overs - if Rashid does well, they will be hard to beat.  South Africa have AB, Amla, DeKock, Duplessis and Miller to counter the pommie batting, and then have Tahir to take wickets in the middle.  

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As usual SA's squad looks strongest (even with quotas!)

Aus's bowling looks strongest on paper, but batting is suspect, will be heavily reliant on Smith. 

NZ batting better than Aus

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