Mosher Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Texan said: Not quite. Majority of his bowling is in the 137-142 range and rarely does he hit 145. The thing that works for Shami is that he keeps bowling in the channel outside off and can keep testing the batsman. Express pace is not his top attribute. Nobody here is just asking for a bowler with just express pace. You keep ignoring that point made by the posters here. Its decent pace with skills - accuracy, yorkers, bounce, swing/seam, slower balls and temperament ALL are required to succeed in LOI's. MK55 and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Both Bhuvi and Bumrah are medium though. Bhuvi can clocked 140+ at will even seen bowling at 146k and so as bumrah they are FAST mediums if not FAST, certainly not medium stop living in delusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, speedheat said: Bhuvi can clocked 140+ at will even seen bowling at 146k and so as bumrah they are FAST mediums if not FAST, certainly not medium stop living in delusions Let’s look into their international stats. I have doubts how Bumrah qualifies as fast-medium. Even cricinfo calls them ‘medium’. Cricbuzz too. Edited May 7, 2017 by Magneto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mosher said: Umesh was the leading wicket taker for India in WC 2015. He was the 3rd on the list of top wicket takers. Overall, his ODI record is pathetic and over a long period of time. He has the worst ER for this decade for any bowler that has bowled more than 2000 balls in ODI cricket: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=2000;qualval2=balls;spanmin1=01+Jan+2010;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Magneto said: Both Bhuvi and Bumrah are medium though. Bumrah bowls 135 k to 145 k ( excluding slower balls ) in LOIs with good bounce. Can hit the deck hard and get bounce. That is fast-medium atleast. Also, don't ignore the ability to hit the deck hard and get bounce.... anyone who can do that is generally considered fast-medium even if he is slower than Bumrah. Edited May 7, 2017 by express bowling speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Texan said: Overall, his ODI record is pathetic and over a long period of time. He has the worst ER for this decade for any bowler that has bowled more than 2000 balls in ODI cricket: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=2000;qualval2=balls;spanmin1=01+Jan+2010;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling So? That does not take away from the fact that he was the top bowler for India at the biggest stage. He was right on target in the previous WC - pace, accuracy, bounce and swing. Umesh's problem has been his accuracy and that's the reason for his high ER in his overall record. But recently he has improved a lot in his accuracy. I am repeating it again because you seem to keep ignoring this point - just pace wont cut it at the international level, you need other skills to go with it. That holds true for just a swing bowler too. Edited May 7, 2017 by Mosher speedheat and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, Texan said: Not quite. Majority of his bowling is in the 137-142 range and rarely does he hit 145. The thing that works for Shami is that he keeps bowling in the channel outside off and can keep testing the batsman. Express pace is not his top attribute. Percentage of 140+ deliveries by Shami has increased significantly this season, in the last 10 test matches he has played. He even hit 151 k in a test match in the West Indies last year. This point was often being discussed on TV. And, it is not just about release speeds, while deciding whether a bowler is fast or not. Fast bowling is also a bowling style.... whereby a bowler hits the deck hard and uses bounce ( along with pace ) or bowls quick yorkers, to make the batsman uncomfortable. Shami does it more effectively than Umesh Yadav, who has quicker release speeds than him in general. speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Let’s look into their international stats. I have doubts how Bumrah qualifies as fast-medium. Even cricinfo calls them ‘medium’. Cricbuzz too. Hehehe lol crapinfo even lists umesh and milne as medium lol maniac, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Hehehe lol crapinfo even lists umesh and milne as medium lol https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-right-fast-medium-rfm-and-a-right-medium-fast-rmf-bowler?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2165236072 Please refer this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Let’s look into their international stats. I have doubts how Bumrah qualifies as fast-medium. Even cricinfo calls them ‘medium’. Cricbuzz too. Lol@magneto https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-right-fast-medium-rfm-and-a-right-medium-fast-rmf-bowler?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2165236072 Please refer this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Viper said: Head took apart phasttt yadav Sandeep took apart other team yesterday Sandeep didn't bowl at death. Yadav also picked top order wickets upfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Magneto said: What would be Bumrah’s average speed? 85-86 mph with quickest 143-144 speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Texan said: That's it. Nobody from the superfast brigade of Yadav, Aaron, etc.? How come they are not World beaters with all that pace? Shami is as quick as Yadav Aaron now after his improvement in run-up. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, rkt.india said: 85-86 mph with quickest 143-144 I think Bumrah hit 145 k in 3 of the IPL matches this year. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 48 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Sandeep didn't bowl at death. Yadav also picked top order wickets upfront. Sandeep got gayle kohli and ab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidhoni Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Sandeep now bowling well at death. Turns the game around with wickets of Raina and Finch. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Aaron getting tonked for 6 and 4 LOl lost the game for punjab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sidhoni said: Sandeep now bowling well at death. Turns the game around with wickets of Raina and Finch. and phaast Aaron turns it back Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Sandeep once again outbowling the much vaunted "phaast" bowlers such as Aaron, Thampi, Sangwan etc. and easily the best pacer of the match. Pity Punjab doesn't have anyone to support him else they would've made it to the playoffs Texan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 hours ago, speedheat said: Read my post again Where is the Pace? Bounce? natural seam movement? Height?? deceiving Slow balls?? Fast bouncers??? Quick yorker??? Sandip is liability once ball looses its shine or when their is no swing in offer Aaron has all that not much help you lack brains Sidhoni and Texan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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