Younis Khan final average outside the subcontinent(excl Zim): 39.14, avg is closer to Ashwin's than to Kohli's

[Dil Dil India]

I've been reading a lot of posts on social media and elsewhere about how Younis Khan is an ATG,better than Dravid etc. This includes views from some extremely knowledgeable and objective cricket fans (big names such as Bilal7 etc). I looked at Younis Khan's final average outside the subcontinent and I was not so surprised to find that he averages 39.14 with 6 100s despite his dead rubber ton vs Australia after being wrongly reprieved very early in his innings : in comparison, the 3 ATG batsmen from the subcontinent all average above 50 over a bigger sample size. For comparison here's how some others stack up against Younis Khan outside the subcontinent (excluding Zim):

 

1)Ravi Ashwin: Average 35.27, 2 tons

2)Kohli (who apparently cannot play pace, bounce or movement unlike King Khan) : Average 46.16 with 8 tons

3)Dhawan (a reknowned FTB) : Average 29.91 with 1 ton (indicating that King Khan is closer to Dhawan than to Dravid) 

4)Dhoni (wicket-keeper with not much of note outside the SC as a batsman) : Average 29.79, no tons (again, King Khan closer to Dhoni in terms of averages outside the SC than to Dravid)

 

I understand it's good to be polite and appreciate someone's achievements, but let's not inflate YK's resume to levels it does not deserve. He was a very good player of spin, FTB outside home conditions who was more in the Ashwin range outside the SC than the Gavaskars, Tendulkars and Dravids.

 

[Trichromatic]

A batsman scoring 10,000 test runs is retiring. Dissecting his stats can be saved for some other day, I guess.

[Dil Dil India]

That's fair enough but we've known about his retirement for a while now and he has already finished his last innings. The overrating of his abilities doesn't help either, have to keep things in perspective. For example when Zaheer Khan retired (who was a great bowler for us in his own right in a manner similar to what YK the batsman is to Pak), there was no one calling him better than Wasim Akram, etc.

[cric_fan]

Who says he is better than Dravid??

[Dil Dil India]

55 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Who says he is better than Dravid??

A handful in Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar and Islamabad.

[kira]

lol Younis khan ends his career with an average lower than ganguly and laxman outside asia, and he played the same no. of innings as ganguly but scored fewer runs. This guy is pak's best batsman 

 

AM Rahane (INDIA)	2013-2016	17	29	5	1312	147	54.66	4	7	2
R Dravid (INDIA)	1996-2012	63	117	15	5420	233	53.13	13	28	2
SM Gavaskar (INDIA)	1971-1986	46	81	6	3868	221	51.57	15	15	5
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1990-2012	73	128	10	6007	241*	50.90	18	28	9
M Amarnath (INDIA)	1976-1986	24	41	1	1936	138	48.40	4	12	3
Javed Miandad (PAK)	1976-1993	48	78	6	3340	271	46.38	9	15	4
V Kohli (INDIA)	2011-2016	24	43	1	1939	200	46.16	8	4	4
Saleem Malik (PAK)	1983-1996	33	51	7	2001	165	45.47	4	12	5
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1992-2007	44	78	7	3137	148	44.18	8	18	5
Mohammad Yousuf (PAK)	1998-2010	33	62	2	2647	203	44.11	7	11	7
Saeed Anwar (PAK)	1994-2001	15	28	0	1205	176	43.03	4	6	2
VVS Laxman (INDIA)	1997-2012	57	102	11	3856	178	42.37	7	25	7
Hanif Mohammad (PAK)	1954-1967	21	40	2	1605	337	42.23	4	5	3
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1996-2008	41	71	6	2711	144	41.70	5	15	4
Majid Khan (PAK)	1967-1982	30	55	2	2106	167	39.73	5	9	5
Asif Iqbal (PAK)	1964-1979	31	54	4	1977	175	39.54	8	3	6
Younis Khan (PAK)	2000-2017	38	71	3	2662	218	39.14	6	11	7

 

[Dil Dil India]

20 minutes ago, kira said:

lol Younis khan ends his career with an average lower than ganguly and laxman outside asia, and he played the same no. of innings as ganguly but scored fewer runs. This guy is pak's best batsman 

 

AM Rahane (INDIA)	2013-2016	17	29	5	1312	147	54.66	4	7	2
R Dravid (INDIA)	1996-2012	63	117	15	5420	233	53.13	13	28	2
SM Gavaskar (INDIA)	1971-1986	46	81	6	3868	221	51.57	15	15	5
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1990-2012	73	128	10	6007	241*	50.90	18	28	9
M Amarnath (INDIA)	1976-1986	24	41	1	1936	138	48.40	4	12	3
Javed Miandad (PAK)	1976-1993	48	78	6	3340	271	46.38	9	15	4
V Kohli (INDIA)	2011-2016	24	43	1	1939	200	46.16	8	4	4
Saleem Malik (PAK)	1983-1996	33	51	7	2001	165	45.47	4	12	5
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1992-2007	44	78	7	3137	148	44.18	8	18	5
Mohammad Yousuf (PAK)	1998-2010	33	62	2	2647	203	44.11	7	11	7
Saeed Anwar (PAK)	1994-2001	15	28	0	1205	176	43.03	4	6	2
VVS Laxman (INDIA)	1997-2012	57	102	11	3856	178	42.37	7	25	7
Hanif Mohammad (PAK)	1954-1967	21	40	2	1605	337	42.23	4	5	3
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1996-2008	41	71	6	2711	144	41.70	5	15	4
Majid Khan (PAK)	1967-1982	30	55	2	2106	167	39.73	5	9	5
Asif Iqbal (PAK)	1964-1979	31	54	4	1977	175	39.54	8	3	6
Younis Khan (PAK)	2000-2017	38	71	3	2662	218	39.14	6	11	7

 

Rohit Sharma averages 24.94. So basically, King Khan is as close to Rohit Sharma as he is to Dravid.

[Austin 3:!6]

Stats can be deceptive. Younis Khan is a pedigree batsman and no way can be compared to Rohit Sharma or Ashwin. For the sheer amount of runs and longevity he deserve respect. Ofcourse Pak fans overhype him and he is no Sachin/Lara or Dravid but a very good batsman in his own right. He struggled against pace and swing throughout his career but always a great player of spin.

 

Since 90s, I would rate batsmen as:

 

Tier 1 - Sachin, Lara, Ponting.

 

Tier 2 - Dravid, Sanga, Amla.

 

Tier 3 - VVS, Younis Khan, Inzy, Sehwag, Hayden, Clarke, Chanderpaul, McCullum

 

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[King Tendulkar]

The timing of this thread is in poor taste 

[kira]

19 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Stats can be deceptive. Younis Khan is a pedigree batsman and no way can be compared to Rohit Sharma or Ashwin. For the sheer amount of runs and longevity he deserve respect. Ofcourse Pak fans overhype him and he is no Sachin/Lara or Dravid but a very good batsman in his own right. He struggled against pace and swing throughout his career but always a great player of spin.

 

Since 90s, I would rate batsmen as:

 

Tier 1 - Sachin, Lara, Ponting.

 

Tier 2 - Dravid, Sanga, Amla.

 

Tier 3 - VVS, Younis Khan, Inzy, Sehwag, Hayden, Clarke, Chanderpaul, McCullum

 

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Amla doesn't deserve to be rated alongside Dravid, he doesn't even average 50 in test cricket 

[Dil Dil India]

1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Stats can be deceptive. Younis Khan is a pedigree batsman and no way can be compared to Rohit Sharma or Ashwin. For the sheer amount of runs and longevity he deserve respect. Ofcourse Pak fans overhype him and he is no Sachin/Lara or Dravid but a very good batsman in his own right. He struggled against pace and swing throughout his career but always a great player of spin.

 

Since 90s, I would rate batsmen as:

 

Tier 1 - Sachin, Lara, Ponting.

 

Tier 2 - Dravid, Sanga, Amla.

 

Tier 3 - VVS, Younis Khan, Inzy, Sehwag, Hayden, Clarke, Chanderpaul, McCullum

 

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I never said YK as a batsman is comparable to Ashwin or Rohit Sharma. I said outside the SC he's as close to Rohit Sharma as he's to Dravid and again, outside the SC he's in the same class as Ashwin. There are very few batsmen better than him at racking hundreds in 600 vs 600 drawn test matches in Lahore and Karachi, there's no denying that.

 

Sangakkara is an interesting case. He has only as many 40+ averaging series as Rahane (give or take) outside the SC and that is an incredible stat. I'd rate Dravid comfortably above Sanga, he averages almost a full 10 points outside the SC. Amla is definitely in tier 3 and not tier 2. Agree with the rest though.

[kubrickian]

15 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Stats can be deceptive. Younis Khan is a pedigree batsman and no way can be compared to Rohit Sharma or Ashwin. For the sheer amount of runs and longevity he deserve respect. Ofcourse Pak fans overhype him and he is no Sachin/Lara or Dravid but a very good batsman in his own right. He struggled against pace and swing throughout his career but always a great player of spin.

 

Since 90s, I would rate batsmen as:

 

Tier 1 - Sachin, Lara, Ponting.

 

Tier 2 - Dravid, Sanga, Amla.

 

Tier 3 - VVS, Younis Khan, Inzy, Sehwag, Hayden, Clarke, Chanderpaul, McCullum

 

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I disagree that VVS belongs to Tier 3. You cant just go blindly by stats. He played some of the best match winning and match saving knocks of all time for India, playing lower down the order and under pressure. He always had to bat with the tail(which used to be quite weak back then) and got out many times looking for big shots which will lower his average. He was as good as Dravid IMO. 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

I disagree that VVS belongs to Tier 3. You cant just go blindly by stats. He played some of the best match winning and match saving knocks of all time for India, playing lower down the order and under pressure. He always had to bat with the tail(which used to be quite weak back then) and got out many times looking for big shots which will lower his average. He was as good as Dravid IMO. 

agree.One of the few Asian bats to average 40 in SA

 

I think only Sachin is other one from modern era

[Straight Drive]

Kallis was top class too. He has to be in the list.

[jusarrived]

The two things stand out for me about YK is his gritty batting in fourth innings and his batting against spin . These are two aspects he was truly world class , but had some serious weakness in other areas . That takes him above the likes of Inzy and MoYo imo , to make him a Pak great but nothing beyond that .