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Did Robin Uthappa not deserve a place in the Champions Trophy squad ahead of Dinesh Karthik?

Uttappa vs Dinesh Karthik   30 members have voted

  1. 1. Who would you rather have in place of Manish Pandey for CT2017 ?

    • Robin Uttappa
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    • Dinesh Karthik
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ID: 1   Posted (edited)

India have recalled Dinesh Karthik in their squad for the Champions Trophy in place of injured Manish Pandey, who will miss the event with a left side strain. Pandey picked up the injury during a practice session for Kolkata Knight Riders ahead of their IPL Eliminator against Sunrisers Hyderabad on Wednesday (17th May).

Source: http://www.cricketopinion.com/news/injured-manish-pandey-makes-way-dinesh-karthik-champions-trophy-squad/

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If it comes to Raina Vs Uthappa Vs DK, it should be Uthappa. Uthappa does well on patta wickets, has a high SR and suited to bat on bouncy tracks. He can play aggressive cricket in the middle overs if the RR has to be picked up and can play long innings as well. Raina still struggles on bouncy tracks against short deliveries which rise above shoulder level.

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4 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

If it comes to Raina Vs Uthappa Vs DK, it should be Uthappa. Uthappa does well on patta wickets, has a high SR and suited to bat on bouncy tracks. He can play aggressive cricket in the middle overs if the RR has to be picked up and can play long innings as well. Raina still struggles on bouncy tracks against short deliveries which rise above shoulder level.

Last time uthappa went to A tour to australia after having a gr8 ipl. He got all games in test n odi on those absolute patta where even naman ojha scored 2 double tons.

 

Guess what happ he failed, failed miserably. 

 

He also got opp against minnows like bang n zimb and failed miserably 

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Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Last time uthappa went to A tour to australia after having a gr8 ipl. He got all games in test n odi on those absolute patta where even naman ojha scored 2 double tons.

 

Guess what happ he failed, failed miserably. 

 

He also got opp against minnows like bang n zimb and failed miserably 

He could have failed but based on what I've seen, he seems to be more comfortable against short deliveries than Raina and more of a power hitter than Kartik.  

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3 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

He could have failed but based on what I've seen, he seems to be more comfortable against short deliveries than Raina and more of a power hitter than Kartik.  

International cricket is about temprament . Time n again both karthik n uthappa have shown why they have failed again n again

 

He can have all the ability but its the lack of temprament that makes the diff

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18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

International cricket is about temprament . Time n again both karthik n uthappa have shown why they have failed again n again

 

He can have all the ability but its the lack of temprament that makes the diff

Perhaps but there is a chance he could do well as he has played some good knocks in international cricket in the past.

 

 

But I'm saying based on Raina Vs DK Vs Uthappa. Raina has been poor against short deliveries especially if its at high pace and the pitches will be hard in England and will have good bounce.

 

 

Edited by kubrickian

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ID: 10   Posted

Robin and Dinesh both deserve it. They should be ahead of Yuvraj, Rohit and Rahane and Dhoni.Bowling is fine but batting will cause a huge problem.

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ID: 11   Posted

Neither, I prefer raina, some one whi can hit from ball 1. His failures have been exaggerated, struggles a bit against short ball, but remember last time we played an ODI series in England, Raina was the man of the  series. 

Avg of 35 with strike rate of 90+ is pretty awesome coming in at no 6.

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ID: 12   Posted

What the heck!!! More regurgitation. This freaking MSK Prasad knows nothing other than giving every tried and tested failure another chance. Won't be surprised if he picks himself and his fellow international failures who are selectors in the team again.

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This is what happens when people don't follow domestic cricket and think IPL is the be and all of Indian cricket.

 

Good that Indian selectors have considered the domestic form for selection.

 

Dinesh Karthick fully deserves it.Has been by million miles the player in our domestics this season.Highest run getter in both Vijay Hazare and Deodhar trophy.Including century against India B in the final.

 

Credit to selectors for not mixing up formats for once.

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38 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

This is what happens when people don't follow domestic cricket and think IPL is the be and all of Indian cricket.

 

Good that Indian selectors have considered the domestic form for selection.

 

Dinesh Karthick fully deserves it.Has been by million miles the player in our domestics this season.Highest run getter in both Vijay Hazare and Deodhar trophy.Including century against India B in the final.

 

Credit to selectors for not mixing up formats for once.

This is nth time karthik will fail. He just performs badly under pressure. The only time I seen him play a good innings is in t20 against chokers. That's about it he has been terrible in the last champions trophy. If I remember correctly he was selected on form prior to champions trophy in 2013 and failed completely.

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34 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

This is what happens when people don't follow domestic cricket and think IPL is the be and all of Indian cricket.

 

Good that Indian selectors have considered the domestic form for selection.

 

Dinesh Karthick fully deserves it.Has been by million miles the player in our domestics this season.Highest run getter in both Vijay Hazare and Deodhar trophy.Including century against India B in the final.

 

Credit to selectors for not mixing up formats for once.

Agree domestic 50 over performances should be given value.

But the problem is, there are players who perform exceedingly well in the domestic circuit, season after season, but once they are selected for Intnl matches they fail miserably.

Vinay Kumar, DInesh Karthick are examples.... it's nt a small sample size either, he has played more than 70 matches..

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This is nth time karthik will fail. He just performs badly under pressure. The only time I seen him play a good innings is in t20 against chokers. That's about it he has been terrible in the last champions trophy. If I remember correctly he was selected on form prior to champions trophy in 2014 and failed completely.

 

Poeple improve as cricketers and with time and experience gained learn how to cope with experience.

 

Personally I would have picked Pant and between DK anf Uthappa it's an easy choice ,DK.

 

As for not being able remember any good innings of DK in international cricket, he was one of the major factors being us winning the series in England.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Khota said:

I will pick eithrt over Yuvraj and Rohit and Dhoni.

May be you missed the name of Kohli too in your list!!!:giggle:

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ID: 20   Posted

That's the problem with Uthappa... Never a big match player.. 

Even the two times KKR won the IPL, he flopped in the finals... Bisla won  them the match against CSK and Pandey did it against KXIP

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ID: 22   Posted

Karthik + Uthappa = Kattapa 

Loyal to franchisees, but will backstab captains in crunch situations... #Selfthoo :phehe::p:

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3 hours ago, sarcastic said:

May be you missed the name of Kohli too in your list!!!:giggle:

No I did not. But after the first game if his head is not into it I will bench him for a game. That is the standard procedure and Indian management needs to learn that.

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1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

Karthik + Uthappa = Kattapa 

Loyal to franchisees, but will backstab captains in crunch situations... #Selfthoo :phehe::p:

lol incidentally one is from TN and other from Karnatak - more kattapa connection.

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1 hour ago, Khota said:

No I did not. But after the first game if his head is not into it I will bench him for a game. That is the standard procedure and Indian management needs to learn that.

It is alright that Kartick probably got his due and also he might as well be benched. But how can we think of taking Karthick or Uthappa over Dhoni. 


For Uthappa over Dhoni.... There is not even a comparison to think one can do that. Uthappa is awful awful keeper as compared to Dhoni and although I like Uthappa the batsman he is not a replacement for Dhoni either. 

Karthick over Dhoni is also unthinkable for ODI cricket.

 

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1 hour ago, sarcastic said:

It is alright that Kartick probably got his due and also he might as well be benched. But how can we think of taking Karthick or Uthappa over Dhoni. 


For Uthappa over Dhoni.... There is not even a comparison to think one can do that. Uthappa is awful awful keeper as compared to Dhoni and although I like Uthappa the batsman he is not a replacement for Dhoni either. 

Karthick over Dhoni is also unthinkable for ODI cricket.

 

Dhoni is soft and lazy right now. He is a better wkt kpr but just slightly not by a whole lot. I will have both of these guys over Dhoni. Dhoni, Rohit and Yuvraj will cost India the CT trophy.

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8 minutes ago, Khota said:

Dhoni is soft and lazy right now. He is a better wkt kpr but just slightly not by a whole lot. I will have both of these guys over Dhoni. Dhoni, Rohit and Yuvraj will cost India the CT trophy.

look at dhoni fitness does he look lazy......u wanna knw whats lazy look at rohit paunch

 

He is just going through a low patch which every crickter does . Also a change in technique does take sometime.

 

Uthappa n.karthik over dhoni hahahhaha. How many times these guys blown up their chances when it comes to international cricket. Why, temprament issue and icc tournament are all about pressure . Deaspite both being so talent n having a 360 deg game why they havent made it???? Lack of temperament.

 

As keeper they both suck

Uthappa series in zinb as keeper, bhajji almost wanted to kill him

 

Karthik brain fart keeping has been gone places from asia cup to ipl. 

 

Invest in kishen n pant over uthappa n karthik as time n again they have consistently choked. They ll still give u same .....

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34 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

look at dhoni fitness does he look lazy......u wanna knw whats lazy look at rohit paunch

 

He is just going through a low patch which every crickter does . Also a change in technique does take sometime.

 

Uthappa n.karthik over dhoni hahahhaha. How many times these guys blown up their chances when it comes to international cricket. Why, temprament issue and icc tournament are all about pressure . Deaspite both being so talent n having a 360 deg game why they havent made it???? Lack of temperament.

 

As keeper they both suck

Uthappa series in zinb as keeper, bhajji almost wanted to kill him

 

Karthik brain fart keeping has been gone places from asia cup to ipl. 

 

Invest in kishen n pant over uthappa n karthik as time n again they have consistently choked. They ll still give u same .....

In IPL Dhoni has not outperformed these wicketkeepers. His batting is a major issue. He lost his mind like 5 years back.

Rohit absolutely does not deserve it. 

If fitness is an issue then Ashwin also has major problems.

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11 minutes ago, Khota said:

In IPL Dhoni has not outperformed these wicketkeepers. His batting is a major issue. He lost his mind like 5 years back.

Rohit absolutely does not deserve it. 

If fitness is an issue then Ashwin also has major problems.

So not only has Dhoni's hand-eye coordination faded but he's also gone senile?  :confused: 

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1 hour ago, The Realist said:

So not only has Dhoni's hand-eye coordination faded but he's also gone senile?  :confused: 

He is not exactly senile but his decision making is very poor. No wonder Mr. Goenka could see what I was able to see. He has become dumb.

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7 hours ago, Khota said:

In IPL Dhoni has not outperformed these wicketkeepers. His batting is a major issue. He lost his mind like 5 years back.

Rohit absolutely does not deserve it. 

If fitness is an issue then Ashwin also has major problems.

Dhoni has never been a gr8 t20 player and ur comparing a t20 to ODI

Uthappa n karthik always have done well in ipl n domestic n lost the plot when its international

Have u forgotten how uthappa few yrs ago after having orange cap was given a whole chance on A-tour where he failed on absolute patta , then his failure against Zimb n Bang ....whats the point of IPL numbers

His batting is a major issue????really he scored a 100 last series, a series before he was our 2nd highest scorer.....what about others in that case. Its just a low phase go check his yearly record how many bad yr wud u find. Every cricketer goes through and dhoni still is scoring runs. Didnt kohli had a poor 2015....

 

IF IPL becomes a criteria 2 of our best bowlers shami n jadeja wnt be in the lineup also . By IPL logic kohli shud actually loose his captaincy

BY ipl logic raina n rohit shud have been our most consistent batsman 

 

Ashwin isnt that unfit as well he has avg fitness.

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ID: 32   Posted (edited)

Kartik is unlikely to get a game just like manish was unlikely to get a game so it doesnt matter if uttapa was selected. However a young player like say a pant or even a samson (who had a poor domestic season) would have gained from the experience. Personally i would have taken Raina over kartik. Raina has always done well in england. 

 

Also everyone seems worried about rohit, its the guy at the other end dhawan who will fail us not rohit and thats why Rahane is rightly in the squad . 

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ID: 33   Posted (edited)

Neither. Karthik is not a bad selection over Raina. But would've rather take a chance and get Pant in. Now they are anyhow not playing Pant as opener so as well play in middle order.

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Pant

Dhoni

Yuvraj

 

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dhoni has never been a gr8 t20 player and ur comparing a t20 to ODI

Uthappa n karthik always have done well in ipl n domestic n lost the plot when its international

Have u forgotten how uthappa few yrs ago after having orange cap was given a whole chance on A-tour where he failed on absolute patta , then his failure against Zimb n Bang ....whats the point of IPL numbers

His batting is a major issue????really he scored a 100 last series, a series before he was our 2nd highest scorer.....what about others in that case. Its just a low phase go check his yearly record how many bad yr wud u find. Every cricketer goes through and dhoni still is scoring runs. Didnt kohli had a poor 2015....

 

IF IPL becomes a criteria 2 of our best bowlers shami n jadeja wnt be in the lineup also . By IPL logic kohli shud actually loose his captaincy

BY ipl logic raina n rohit shud have been our most consistent batsman 

 

Ashwin isnt that unfit as well he has avg fitness.

Dhoni has not done anything in a while.

Uthappa and Karthick are peaking at the right time.

I will take IPL as a criteria over anything else that takes place in India.

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14 minutes ago, Khota said:

Dhoni has not done anything in a while.

Uthappa and Karthick are peaking at the right time.

I will take IPL as a criteria over anything else that takes place in India.

Not my problem if u dnt watch cricket 

Dhoni scored a 100 last series and was 2nd highest in Nz series (by that logic all other 5 batsman shud be fired)

 

Uthappa n karthik are peaking at right time.....har baar hi karte till they play International cricket  aur unko saanp sungh jaata hai and i have given u example to which u have no answer . Again u dnt watch anything apart from IPL.....not my issue

 

I will take IPL as a criteria over anything else that takes place in India. :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1: Then also raise question on kohli's form and strip him off from captaincy. Announce rohit as next captain 

 

IPL ko criteria lene walo 10 saal se kuch nhin seekhe ho 

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12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Not my problem if u dnt watch cricket 

Dhoni scored a 100 last series and was 2nd highest in Nz series (by that logic all other 5 batsman shud be fired)

 

Uthappa n karthik are peaking at right time.....har baar hi karte till they play International cricket  aur unko saanp sungh jaata hai and i have given u example to which u have no answer . Again u dnt watch anything apart from IPL.....not my issue

 

I will take IPL as a criteria over anything else that takes place in India. :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1: Then also raise question on kohli's form and strip him off from captaincy. Announce rohit as next captain 

 

IPL ko criteria lene walo 10 saal se kuch nhin seekhe ho 

Bahut seekha hain.

 

Let us talk specifics.

IPL is revealing that Kohli is going through a slump right now. His form has not changed since Australia matches. He is struggling and IPL is showing that. IPL is a very good indicator of what is going on. It is also showing that useless Rohit is still useless. Nothing special about him. Dhoni is not faring well either. IPL is the most uniform and objective selection criteria.

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ID: 40   Posted

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

N what peek every innings of his was due mehrbaani of fielders. He wont get that hospitality in international cricket

The same meherbani is extended to everyone. 

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