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Team Span Mat  Won  Lost  Tied  NR  W/LDescending   Ave  RPO  Inns  HS  LS  
India 1998-2013  24   15 6 0 3 2.500 39.20  5.37  23 331  200 investigate this query
Australia 1998-2013 21 12 7 0 2 1.714 34.35  5.04  21 296 162 investigate this query
New Zealand 1998-2013 21 12 8 0 1 1.500 28.00  4.87  21 347  132 investigate this query
Sri Lanka 1998-2013 24 13 9 0 2 1.444 32.01  5.01  24 319 132 investigate this query
West Indies 1998-2013 24 13 10 1 0 1.300 30.44  4.82   24 289 80 investigate this query
South Africa 1998-2013 21 11 9 1 0 1.222 32.67  5.22  21 316 108 investigate this query
England 1998-2013 21 11 10 0 0 1.100 31.21  5.19  21 323 125 investigate this query
Pakistan 1998-2013 18 7 11 0 0 0.636 :rotfl: 25.13  4.57  18 302 89:rotfl: investigate this query
Bangladesh 2000-2006 8 1 7 0 0 0.142 18.06  3.96   8 265 77 investigate this query
Netherlands 2002-2002 2 0 2 0 0 0.000 11.10  2.79   2 136 86 investigate this query
U.S.A. 2004-2004 2 0 2 0 0 0.000 10.10  3.03   2 137 65 investigate this query
Kenya 2000-2004 5 0 5 0 0 0.000 18.82  3.79   5 232 94 investigate this query
Zimbabwe 1998-2006 9 0 9 0 0 0.000 19.25 4.08    9 274 85 investigate this query
 

 

 

India's win/loss ratio :drool::adore:

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3 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said:

Look at NZ and their win ration. That's pretty good for a team that never won it. 

NZ beat Ganguly's team in the final :sad:  We should've won that one easily but imploded with both bat and the ball.

 

While batting we had a great opening partnership and then collapsed. While bowling we had NZ on the ropes at 130 odd for 5 and couldn't get it done. That was one of the 9 finals we lost on the trot :((

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1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

NZ beat Ganguly's team in the final :sad:  We should've won that one easily but imploded with both bat and the ball.

 

While batting we had a great opening partnership and then collapsed. While bowling we had NZ on the ropes at 130 odd for 5 and couldn't get it done. That was one of the 9 finals we lost on the trot :((

Under ganguly finals men hume saanp sungh jata tha.......

 

It was annoying how we use to loose final after final after dominating whole tournaments to sometimes

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10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Under ganguly finals men hume saanp sungh jata tha.......

 

It was annoying how we use to loose final after final after dominating whole tournaments to sometimes

You'll still see one-eyed fans sing praises of how "dada" turned things around for us and is even better at Captaincy than Dhoni.  Ordinary Captain when it came to tactics and strategy.  Had his pluses too, no disputing that.

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

You'll still see one-eyed fans sing praises of how "dada" turned things around for us and is even better at Captaincy than Dhoni.  Ordinary Captain when it came to tactics and strategy.  Had his pluses too, no disputing that.

Yea there are many on both sides

I beileve every captains job is to take team to next level which ganguly dravid dhoni n now kohli are doing. Whole comparing each other is personal fulfillment .

 

About turning things around, credit to ganguly yes. But we were at all time low so the only way was up. Not taking credit away but then why taking credit away from anyone who contributed be it even dravid kumble or dhoni

 

They all had their share of flaws . 

But there shudnt be a doubt that dhoni was the best odi captain. Test captaincy can be debatable with many options. 

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12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yea there are many on both sides

I beileve every captains job is to take team to next level which ganguly dravid dhoni n now kohli are doing. Whole comparing each other is personal fulfillment .

 

About turning things around, credit to ganguly yes. But we were at all time low so the only way was up. Not taking credit away but then why taking credit away from anyone who contributed be it even dravid kumble or dhoni

 

They all had their share of flaws . 

But there shudnt be a doubt that dhoni was the best odi captain. Test captaincy can be debatable with many options. 

Dhoni was a very ordinary test captain.  I think Kumble was probably the best since Gavaskar - but we weren't the most competitive side in Sunny's time.   VK has shown flashes of goodness, and is still learning - and has a young side full of potential - he's got a legit shot at setting the overseas records right.  As long as injuries stay away.  

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25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Dhoni was a very ordinary test captain.  I think Kumble was probably the best since Gavaskar - but we weren't the most competitive side in Sunny's time.   VK has shown flashes of goodness, and is still learning - and has a young side full of potential - he's got a legit shot at setting the overseas records right.  As long as injuries stay away.  

I liked dravid  a lil more then others, just felt he suffered due to a disturbed dressing room enviorment. 

 

Yes but kohli could be the best, would have been gr8 helo if he had someone more experienced by his side. Tactically he still is quite avg but a leader in every other sense . I feel he could be really be helped by someone like mahela n zaheer as batting n bowling coaches who could also be gr8 help tactically to him.

 

Dhoni got both sides of coins best team at start and then all of them at the end of their career as well. He wasnt a gr8 test player that he cud ride team with his perfomances which he did in odis . Ultimately a good captain needs a good side.

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Under ganguly finals men hume saanp sungh jata tha.......

 

It was annoying how we use to loose final after final after dominating whole tournaments to sometimes

True that. The team used to be in panic mode when playing finals. They used to dominate the opponents and then it seemed as if a different India team used to be there in the finals against the very same opponents India had beaten earlier! Recall us dismissed for 54 against SL in yet another final. That was one of the most humiliating losses I've endured as an India fan.

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

You'll still see one-eyed fans sing praises of how "dada" turned things around for us and is even better at Captaincy than Dhoni.  Ordinary Captain when it came to tactics and strategy.  Had his pluses too, no disputing that.

Ganguly was one of the best captains he had. He was the one who instilled fighting spirit and "never back down" ethos in the Indian team. However he was a much better Test captain than the odi one. Somehow he struggled in the big games, especially in the finals. It always seemed he and Indian team were in panic mode and one push and they would fall over, which is what used to happen.

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inspite of loosing just 6 games we lost 2 to pak, inspite of having a 2.5 win ratio we have a 1-2 loosing ratio with pak. we have struggled against pak in CT because of lack of proper prep. India can not beat Eng or for that matter Aus this time, even WI is difficult.Pak should be easy.

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13 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Ganguly was one of the best captains he had. He was the one who instilled fighting spirit and "never back down" ethos in the Indian team. However he was a much better Test captain than the odi one. Somehow he struggled in the big games, especially in the finals. It always seemed he and Indian team were in panic mode and one push and they would fall over, which is what used to happen.

He definitely brought that spirit to the side.  But let's not glorify his test captaincy too much - I can accept he's better than Dhoni in tests, but I used to get extremely frustrated with his bowling changes and fielding tactics.  There's a reason we have a horrible history and habit of letting the last 5 wickets run away with the game.  Gangu was a repeat offender on this.   Countless examples of tactical ineptitude.

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

He definitely brought that spirit to the side.  But let's not glorify his test captaincy too much - I can accept he's better than Dhoni in tests, but I used to get extremely frustrated with his bowling changes and fielding tactics.  There's a reason we have a horrible history and habit of letting the last 5 wickets run away with the game.  Gangu was a repeat offender on this.   Countless examples of tactical ineptitude.

He wanted to make yuvraj singh an opener and he disturbed chopra n sehwag pair 

his declarations in sydney n kolkata against australia was quite late, he was saved in kolkata 

Time n again Zaheer nehra use to comeback n play from injuries either without completely recovering or without any match practice 

 

Yup he is way to glorified 

 

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7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

He definitely brought that spirit to the side.  But let's not glorify his test captaincy too much - I can accept he's better than Dhoni in tests, but I used to get extremely frustrated with his bowling changes and fielding tactics.  There's a reason we have a horrible history and habit of letting the last 5 wickets run away with the game.  Gangu was a repeat offender on this.   Countless examples of tactical ineptitude.

Ganguly was the greatest Indian test captain in the last 20-30 years at least, never saw kapil, gavaskar,pataudi so can't compare to them but ganguly is easily the greatest test captain for India since the mid-90s, don't mix ganguly's test captaincy with his odi captaincy

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We won 1 test match away from home in the 90s, yes just 1 test, including asia, including minnows, including everything

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Team Span   Mat  WonDescending  Lost  Tied  Draw  W/L   Ave  RPO   Inns  HS   LS  
India 1990-1999  39  15   0   23 0.066    32.90    2.85    65 606 66


In 2000 Ganguly becomes test captain and this is our away record under him

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India 2000-2005  28    11   10 0    7 1.100  36.18  3.17  48  705  99

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Ganguly has a win/loss ratio of 1.6, and he did it with a team he built, he wasn't handed down a strong team, but no wait, the arm chair critics think he's over glorified, lol :hysterical:

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1 hour ago, kira said:

In 2000 Ganguly becomes test captain and this is our away record under him

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Team Span Mat  WonDescending  Lost  Tied  Draw  W/L  Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
India 2000-2005  28    11   10 0    7 1.100  36.18  3.17  48  705  99

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Ganguly has a win/loss ratio of 1.6, and he did it with a team he built, he wasn't handed down a strong team, but no wait, the arm chair critics think he's over glorified, lol :hysterical:

ganguly only won against a test against these good sides - wi,aus, eng, pak, SL

Rest all are bang and zimb so if u remove minnows his record would reduce to half .............ofcourse glorified . He was a good captain but way to glorified 

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

ganguly only won against a test against these good sides - wi,aus, eng, pak, SL

Rest all are bang and zimb so if u remove minnows his record would reduce to half .............ofcourse glorified . He was a good captain but way to glorified 

That's why I posted the 90s record, we didn't even win against those sides in the 90s, do you not see the dramatic change from 1999, he was not just a good captain, he was the greatest Indian test captain in the last 30 years, rightfully glorified.

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13 minutes ago, kira said:

That's why I posted the 90s record, we didn't even win against those sides in the 90s, do you not see the dramatic change from 1999, he was not just a good captain, he was the greatest Indian test captain in the last 30 years, rightfully glorified.

Yes he was a good captain, best is debatable . 
He was never able to win series over series even after having upper hand in few- Zimb, Aus, WI were examples. Atleast dravid won a series in Eng, WI(which i wnt count as they were becoming really poor) 

He did his share of extreme blunders. 

So when he singlehandedly gets credit and calling him best captain is glorifying to much 

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes he was a good captain, best is debatable . 
He was never able to win series over series even after having upper hand in few- Zimb, Aus, WI were examples. Atleast dravid won a series in Eng, WI(which i wnt count as they were becoming really poor) 

He did his share of extreme blunders. 

So when he singlehandedly gets credit and calling him best captain is glorifying to much 

Again, do you not see the 90s record, you can't simply go from not being able to win a single test in the 90s to winning series in australia, it requires transition period, the fact that Ganguly brought such a huge change in such short amount of time makes him the undisputed king of captaincy in India, it is not debatable. Have you looked at the teams we played with under his captaincy? Openers like ss das, akash chopra, keepers like sameer dighe, deep das gupta, the fact he was able to reach a series winning position with these players in the team shows his mettle as a captain. 

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25 minutes ago, kira said:

Again, do you not see the 90s record, you can't simply go from not being able to win a single test in the 90s to winning series in australia, it requires transition period, the fact that Ganguly brought such a huge change in such short amount of time makes him the undisputed king of captaincy in India, it is not debatable. Have you looked at the teams we played with under his captaincy? Openers like ss das, akash chopra, keepers like sameer dighe, deep das gupta, the fact he was able to reach a series winning position with these players in the team shows his mettle as a captain. 

Again , i have said we were so low that the only way was up 

N yes ganguly bought the self beilief n fight, but that doesnt mean we degrade other work n call him best

As i said best his debatable 

Yes he didnt have bad teams, most of the players were at peek under him accept for the new ones and the new lot was good to

 

Every captain had their share of luck n issues 

 

Yes it is debatable we an have a whole debate on this in a diff thread.....u can start it " was ganugly india's best captain " 

He was really good but his record and many other aspects doesnt let him be the top contendor for the spot without any debate. 

About openers yes he had those....yet he wanted to go for the worst pick to " YUVRAJ singh" as test opener 

And i can count many blunder acts under his captaincy to.

Banglore test against pakistan in 2005 were whole team came out to defend like Fattus 

 

So there is a lot of debate on this 

Akele tumhare cheekne se koi baat to sach nhin hone wali, upar hi dekho me n @sandeep only had diff choices. So yea the best captain in test is extremely debatable 

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29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again , i have said we were so low that the only way was up 

N yes ganguly bought the self beilief n fight, but that doesnt mean we degrade other work n call him best

As i said best his debatable 

Yes he didnt have bad teams, most of the players were at peek under him accept for the new ones and the new lot was good to

 

Every captain had their share of luck n issues 

 

Yes it is debatable we an have a whole debate on this in a diff thread.....u can start it " was ganugly india's best captain " 

He was really good but his record and many other aspects doesnt let him be the top contendor for the spot without any debate. 

Again, I have heard no argument from you except you repeating like a parrot that it's debatable, its debatable, its deba...blah blah. If it is debatable then debate it, dammit.   Which other many other aspects? 

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About openers yes he had those....yet he wanted to go for the worst pick to " YUVRAJ singh" as test opener 

And he also made Sehwag an opener in test cricket, who wouldve viewed sehwag as a test player let alone an opener, this just shows your limited understanding of the game, every captain makes many decisions, some of which click and some don't.

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And i can count many blunder acts under his captaincy to.

Banglore test against pakistan in 2005 were whole team came out to defend like Fattus 

Even the great australian team lost to India after making India follow on, does that make the aussie team fattu? Your arguments don't even make any sense, saying Ganguly was the greatest Indian test captain doesn't mean he didn't make any mistakes or blunders in his career, every captain has success and failures, Ganguly had more success than failures and he left behind a team which was far stronger than the team his took over as captain, that's his legacy, that's why he is glorified.

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So there is a lot of debate on this 

Akele tumhare cheekne se koi baat to sach nhin hone wali, upar hi dekho me n @sandeep only had diff choices. So yea the best captain in test is extremely debatable 

 I have backed my statements with proper logic and evidence

 

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20 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

NZ beat Ganguly's team in the final :sad:  We should've won that one easily but imploded with both bat and the ball.

 

While batting we had a great opening partnership and then collapsed. While bowling we had NZ on the ropes at 130 odd for 5 and couldn't get it done. That was one of the 9 finals we lost on the trot :((

9 Finals on trot?  Was this before the Natwest Finals win where Ganguly was the Captain ?

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3 minutes ago, kira said:

Again, I have hear no argument from you except you repeating like a parrot that it's debatable, its debatable, its deba...blah blah. If it is debatable then debate it, dammit.   Which other many other aspects? You didn't even list 1/

Ok lets have a debate on this 

 

3 minutes ago, kira said:

And he also made Sehwag an opener in test cricket, who wouldve viewed sehwag as a test player let alone an opener, this just shows your limited understanding of the game, every captain makes many decisions, some of which click and some don't.

He actually didnt, he didnt have a choice as middle order was packed, that was more out of lack of option to fit him in rather than a tactical move

Even in ODi, if u check that series every batsman was send to open even yuvraj singh

3 minutes ago, kira said:

Even the great australian team lost to India after making India follow on, does that make the aussie team fattu? Your arguments don't even make any sense, saying Ganguly was the greatest Indian test captain doesn't mean he didn't make any mistakes or blunders in his career, every captain has success and failures, Ganguly had more success than failures and he left behind a team which was far stronger than the team his took over as captain, that's his legacy, that's why he is glorified.

Aussie went for a win athen they lost, they didnt loose like us. 

We started ducking every ball and went into shell 

3 minutes ago, kira said:

Abey cheek to tu rha hai wo bhi nonsense, I have backed my statements with proper logic and evidence, ye sandeep kaha se aagya? Sandeep kuch bhi bole tu apna argument toh rakh pehle

SO isnt it an argument the guy never won a series overseas

Isnt this an argument that he use to loose after hvaing upper hand in the series

Isnt this an argument he kept playing injured bowlers like Nehra n zaheer

Isnt this an argument he disturbed a settled opening pair of sehwag n chopra coz of his wish of making yuvi open. 

Isnt this an argument that his record isnt that gr8 if u remove his victories against Zimb n Bang 

Isnt this argument his declarations against aus in kolkata n in sydeny showed he was an extra cautious captain. 

Isnt this an argument he kept persisting with someone like parthi despite his poor run and then karthik which delayed the entrance of Dhoni. 

Then ofcourse the famous nagpur test where he faked an injury..........watching grass on pitch . 

 

  India 2nd innings (target: 383 runs) R M B 4s 6s SR
View dismissal G Gambhir lbw b Mohammad Sami 52 152 124 7 0 41.93
View dismissal V Sehwag run out (Abdul Razzaq) 38 107 53 6 0 71.69
View dismissal R Dravid c Younis Khan b Arshad Khan 16 70 64 2 0 25.00
View dismissal SR Tendulkar c Asim Kamal b Shahid Afridi 16 140 98 2 0 16.32
View dismissal VVS Laxman lbw b Shahid Afridi 5 35 29 1 0 17.24
View dismissal SC Ganguly* b Shahid Afridi 2 16 14 0 0 14.28
View dismissal KD Karthik b Mohammad Sami 9 55 44 2 0 20.45
  A Kumble not out 37 89 52 7 0 71.15
View dismissal IK Pathan c Yousuf Youhana b Arshad Khan 0 35 29 0 0 0.00
View dismissal Harbhajan Singh c Younis Khan b Danish Kaneria 8 29 22 1 0 36.36
View dismissal L Balaji lbw b Danish Kaneria 0 17 16 0 0 0.00
  Extras (b 8, lb 8, w 10, nb 5) 31          
  Total (all out; 90 overs; 377 mins) 214 (2.37 runs per over)
 
 
YE le banglore test ka evidence.....how whole team went into shell......and surrendered again after having a upper hand in the series. Which has also previously happ in ZIMB, AUS, WI 

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Only the number of wins and records don't define the best captain. Getting into winning habit is a process that Ganguly developed. We had the same Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble, Agarkar going to Australia in 1999 as well as 2003. Just see the difference in approach and confidence of the players in those two series. India, under Ganguly, would have definitely won the 2003 Aussie series only if he had a wicket keeper like his predecessors (Mongia) or successors (Dhoni) had. Best evidence of Saurav's greatness as captain is the fact that India rose to rank 2 from the lowest level. 

54 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

About openers yes he had those....yet he wanted to go for the worst pick to " YUVRAJ singh" as test opener 

And i can count many blunder acts under his captaincy to.

Banglore test against pakistan in 2005 were whole team came out to defend like Fattus 

 

So there is a lot of debate on this 

Akele tumhare cheekne se koi baat to sach nhin hone wali, upar hi dekho me n @sandeep only had diff choices. So yea the best captain in test is extremely debatable 

@kira akele nahin cheekh raha hai, more than half of the nation says so.

If Yuvi as opener would have been the worst pick, then picking Sehwag as opener was one of the best things to have ever happened to India. Who would have thought a lower middle order batsman would be the most destructive test opener who could score 200 and 300 at will?

Yuvi was out of the team in 2002-03, could have been a lost talent like Kambli, but it was the captain to recognise his value and forced him back in the team and Yuvi responded with two great innings against Zimbabwe.

Insisting on getting Zaheer back into the team after injuries is the reason Zaheer turned out to be one of the best pacers in India. Every talent needs such confidence and backing from the skipper. Who else could Ganguly turn to if not Zaheer and Nehra? Likes of Balaji, Mohanty and Agarkar? He didn't have the luxury to ignore Zaheer and Nehra as there was scarcity of pace bowlers in domestic cricket then. Sreesanth, RP Singh, Munaf were still not ready for team India.

Yes, he too had his lows as captain. His field placement and bowling changes were not spot on everytime. But so is with any other captain. Even Kohli looks too defensive with his fielding placement in test matches. Doesn't tend to have enough close-in fielders, particularly with new batsmen in.

He was perhaps a great ODI captain too. But he had some curse in finals. Somehow managed to lose every tournament final, except the Natwest final. One CT final was lost to an unbelievable innings from an injured Cairns with runners, another CT final got washed away. The tri-series final against West Indies in Zimbabwe was another frustrating loss where India thoroughly dominated the tournament just to be blown away by someone like Darren Ganga. However, late fight by Dighe and Sodhi brought India close to victory, but couldn't cross the line. One major reason of India's loss in finals was poor show from Zaheer in the finals despite having a great series. Be it CT 2000, NatWest final, any tri-series or WC 2003. Zaheer's sudden loss of form was a big reason for loss, and captain had nothing to do. Zaheer had almost screwed even WC 2011 final too in his final spell.

Other than the losses in finals, the way India performed in rest of the tournaments was a clear sign of a confident team that could bat well anywhere in the world which was really missing under previous captains. One can see the change in approach  and confidence of team India in WC 1999 and WC 2003 or in England in ODIs in 90s and post 2000, NatWest for example. And that belief was brought in by Ganguly in ODIs too.

So someone won't be wrong or glorifying things if he says Saurav was the best captain undoubtedly in test and perhaps in ODIs too.

 

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32 minutes ago, kira said:

Again, I have heard no argument from you except you repeating like a parrot that it's debatable, its debatable, its deba...blah blah. If it is debatable then debate it, dammit.   Which other many other aspects? 

And he also made Sehwag an opener in test cricket, who wouldve viewed sehwag as a test player let alone an opener, this just shows your limited understanding of the game, every captain makes many decisions, some of which click and some don't.

Even the great australian team lost to India after making India follow on, does that make the aussie team fattu? Your arguments don't even make any sense, saying Ganguly was the greatest Indian test captain doesn't mean he didn't make any mistakes or blunders in his career, every captain has success and failures, Ganguly had more success than failures and he left behind a team which was far stronger than the team his took over as captain, that's his legacy, that's why he is glorified.

 I have backed my statements with proper logic and evidence

 

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Well said. People mostly don't get this logic. I share all your views on Dada 

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21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ok lets have a debate on this 

 

He actually didnt, he didnt have a choice as middle order was packed, that was more out of lack of option to fit him in rather than a tactical move

Even in ODi, if u check that series every batsman was send to open even yuvraj singh

Aussie went for a win athen they lost, they didnt loose like us. 

We started ducking every ball and went into shell 

SO isnt it an argument the guy never won a series overseas

Isnt this an argument that he use to loose after hvaing upper hand in the series

Isnt this an argument he kept playing injured bowlers like Nehra n zaheer

Isnt this an argument he disturbed a settled opening pair of sehwag n chopra coz of his wish of making yuvi open. 

Isnt this an argument that his record isnt that gr8 if u remove his victories against Zimb n Bang 

Isnt this argument his declarations against aus in kolkata n in sydeny showed he was an extra cautious captain. 

Isnt this an argument he kept persisting with someone like parthi despite his poor run and then karthik which delayed the entrance of Dhoni. 

Then ofcourse the famous nagpur test where he faked an injury..........watching grass on pitch . 

 

  India 2nd innings (target: 383 runs) R M B 4s 6s SR
View dismissal G Gambhir lbw b Mohammad Sami 52 152 124 7 0 41.93
View dismissal V Sehwag run out (Abdul Razzaq) 38 107 53 6 0 71.69
View dismissal R Dravid c Younis Khan b Arshad Khan 16 70 64 2 0 25.00
View dismissal SR Tendulkar c Asim Kamal b Shahid Afridi 16 140 98 2 0 16.32
View dismissal VVS Laxman lbw b Shahid Afridi 5 35 29 1 0 17.24
View dismissal SC Ganguly* b Shahid Afridi 2 16 14 0 0 14.28
View dismissal KD Karthik b Mohammad Sami 9 55 44 2 0 20.45
  A Kumble not out 37 89 52 7 0 71.15
View dismissal IK Pathan c Yousuf Youhana b Arshad Khan 0 35 29 0 0 0.00
View dismissal Harbhajan Singh c Younis Khan b Danish Kaneria 8 29 22 1 0 36.36
View dismissal L Balaji lbw b Danish Kaneria 0 17 16 0 0 0.00
  Extras (b 8, lb 8, w 10, nb 5) 31          
  Total (all out; 90 overs; 377 mins) 214 (2.37 runs per over)
 
 
YE le banglore test ka evidence.....how whole team went into shell......and surrendered again after having a upper hand in the series. Which has also previously happ in ZIMB, AUS, WI 

Blame it on Sachin who scores 16 off 98. He did this time and again. India was too dependent on Sehwag to win chasing in test. Once Sehwag got out after giving a flying start. Dravid and Sachin would go into shell even when reqd rate was a little above 3. Sachin could go for win in the Chennai test against England only coz Sehwag played a long innings and Yuvi was there with positive mindset. Had Dravid not got out early, that test too would have been a draw.

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29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ok lets have a debate on this 

 

He actually didnt, he didnt have a choice as middle order was packed, that was more out of lack of option to fit him in rather than a tactical move

Even in ODi, if u check that series every batsman was send to open even yuvraj singh

Aussie went for a win athen they lost, they didnt loose like us. 

We started ducking every ball and went into shell 

SO isnt it an argument the guy never won a series overseas

Isnt this an argument that he use to loose after hvaing upper hand in the series

Isnt this an argument he kept playing injured bowlers like Nehra n zaheer

Isnt this an argument he disturbed a settled opening pair of sehwag n chopra coz of his wish of making yuvi open. 

Isnt this an argument that his record isnt that gr8 if u remove his victories against Zimb n Bang 

Isnt this argument his declarations against aus in kolkata n in sydeny showed he was an extra cautious captain. 

Isnt this an argument he kept persisting with someone like parthi despite his poor run and then karthik which delayed the entrance of Dhoni. 

Then ofcourse the famous nagpur test where he faked an injury..........watching grass on pitch . 

The declaration in Eden was delayed, but so did Dhoni on several occasions. So did Kohli in Ranchi against Aussies too. At times, you have to be defensive, particularly when you are one down in the series and can't afford another loss. And the kind of form Aussies were in then, you could never guess what could be the safe target. What if India had declared in the Johannesburg test with target of 420 or 430? 

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50 minutes ago, DDfan2017 said:

The declaration in Eden was delayed, but so did Dhoni on several occasions. So did Kohli in Ranchi against Aussies too. At times, you have to be defensive, particularly when you are one down in the series and can't afford another loss. And the kind of form Aussies were in then, you could never guess what could be the safe target. What if India had declared in the Johannesburg test with target of 420 or 430? 

Nothing and I mean nothing will ever surpass Dhoni declaring and setting a target of 600. Thankfully we were already ahead in the series. 

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On 5/19/2017 at 8:25 PM, laaloo said:

We should have won against Lanka. Freaking both matches were washed out and in one match Sehwag had like 3-4 boundaries in one over.

Not having a reserve day for a final was dumb

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56 minutes ago, DDfan2017 said:

The declaration in Eden was delayed, but so did Dhoni on several occasions. So did Kohli in Ranchi against Aussies too. At times, you have to be defensive, particularly when you are one down in the series and can't afford another loss. And the kind of form Aussies were in then, you could never guess what could be the safe target. What if India had declared in the Johannesburg test with target of 420 or 430? 

Being down is all the more reason to go for the win.If you are leading the series,then still its understandable ,,though not acceptable

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1 minute ago, laaloo said:

We did lol. Both days got washed out and we needed like 230 odd both games iirc 

I meant to say they should have continued from where they left the previous day .

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53 minutes ago, Lord said:

Being down is all the more reason to go for the win.If you are leading the series,then still its understandable ,,though not acceptable

Being down and with one more test in hand, first thing you need to do is make sure you don't lose the present match.

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People talking about that final washout in 2002.

 

No way we were favourites lol

 

Srilanka beat that scary Aussie team to reach final .We got kinda lucky against SA in semi (Gibbs injury).

 

And chaaing in Colombo then was practically impossible .So Srilanka were always favourite to win the final imo.

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2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

People talking about that final washout in 2002.

 

No way we were favourites lol

 

Srilanka beat that scary Aussie team to reach final .We got kinda lucky against SA in semi (Gibbs injury).

 

And chaaing in Colombo then was practically impossible .So Srilanka were always favourite to win the final imo.

Sri Lanka beat OZ because the pitch aided their spinners and OZ batsmen tried to bat too aggressively. Would not have worked against us and we would've beaten SL quite comfortably.

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2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

People talking about that final washout in 2002.

 

No way we were favourites lol

 

Srilanka beat that scary Aussie team to reach final .We got kinda lucky against SA in semi (Gibbs injury).

 

And chaaing in Colombo then was practically impossible .So Srilanka were always favourite to win the final imo.

We would have won final both times. We had great batting in that series. Sehwag and ganguly were in top form.  We had good players of spin. I don't think 230 was a good score on that wicket. We almost lost the match against South Africa. We came back because of brilliant fielding from yuvraj. Our spinners applied pressure on Rhodes and Kallis and they couldn't score at a good rate. Dippenar helped our cause.

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3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

The target was actually 226 in CT against SL and I would back India to chase such a total.

The first washout we had to 245 and we were 14-0 in 2 overs and in the second washout we needed 223 and we were 38-1 in 8.4 with Dinesh Mongia the opener out and Sehwag and Sachin at the crease. 

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The best all-around performance by an Indian in CT has to be Tendulkar making 141 against Aus (after India were 8/2) and then taking 4 wickets in the 1998 quarter final.

 

By a long distance.Not just Indian doubt anyone else has bettered it either.

 

Jadeja was awesome that day as well

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