The belief that it is right for Muslims to rape non-Muslim women in order to humiliate them, claims Islamic professor

[Texy]

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Saleh suggests that the only time it is acceptable for Muslim men to enslave a woman for sexual purposes is during a 'legitimate war' between Muslims and their enemies such as that with Israel.

Therefore, the female Islamic professor says that enslaving Israeli women and raping them would be entirely acceptable and encouraged, states The Inquistr News report.

“The female prisoners of wars are ‘those whom you own.’ In order to humiliate them, they become the property of the army commander, or of a Muslim, and he can have sex with them just like he has sex with his wives,” reads the transcript of the interview provided by The Middle East Media Research Institute.

 

WTF? 

[zen]

Appears as if anything can be justified in a certain religion 

[dial_100]

I think we spend too much time and attention on what is beyond us. I agree that it is good to know what is good or bad outside of our social domain but life is progressive only when we are looking inward and not outward.

 

 

[KeyboardWarrior]

in before people start bashing Islam,

maybe, the lady professor have her own interpretation/understanding of Quran. 

whatever we know is, the slavery was allowed only for the limited period of time , becoz it was already in the culture of pre-islamic Arabia and other countries etc.

Islamic teachings was always against slavery, there are many such incidents where people have to free the slave if they done any kind of sins, Islam encourages to free the slave ( muslims, christians or jews etc)  whenever a muslim master commit any sin, like breaking the fast in ramadan etc etc. it was orderd to free the slave. 

becoz Islam wants to demolish the slavery system with the time. 

 

in this day and age , theres no culture of slavery, so its not needed. thre are many Islamic scholors says that its not needed now. its very simple thing to understand. 

people need to use their own brain, becoz Islam never stopped them to using it. 

[Muloghonto]

16 minutes ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

in before people start bashing Islam,

maybe, the lady professor have her own interpretation/understanding of Quran. 

whatever we know is, the slavery was allowed only for the limited period of time , becoz it was already in the culture of pre-islamic Arabia and other countries etc.

Islamic teachings was always against slavery, there are many such incidents where people have to free the slave if they done any kind of sins, Islam encourages to free the slave ( muslims, christians or jews etc)  whenever a muslim master commit any sin, like breaking the fast in ramadan etc etc. it was orderd to free the slave. 

becoz Islam wants to demolish the slavery system with the time. 

 

in this day and age , theres no culture of slavery, so its not needed. thre are many Islamic scholors says that its not needed now. its very simple thing to understand. 

people need to use their own brain, becoz Islam never stopped them to using it. 

 

 

Take your Taqqiya elsewhere.

Here are a few FACTS for you:

https://quran.com/33/50-60

 

"O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."

 

https://quran.com/23/5-15

 

"Certainly will the believers have succeeded:

They who are during their prayer humbly submissive

And they who turn away from ill speech

And they who are observant of zakah

And they who guard their private parts

Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors -

 

https://quran.com/4/24-34

 

"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."

 

https://quran.com/24/32-42

 

"And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."

 

Proof that the Koran supports slavery. Hence your claim is FALSE and nothing more than Taqqiya.

 

And here is the history of it:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

 

 

 

[Gollum]

Islam seriously needs reformation. Who will take the initiative?

[Asim]

49 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Islam seriously needs reformation. Who will take the initiative?

Don't worry RSS has taken the initiative to convert them into hindus...

[Asim]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

Take your Taqqiya elsewhere.

Here are a few FACTS for you:

https://quran.com/33/50-60

 

"O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."

 

https://quran.com/23/5-15

 

"Certainly will the believers have succeeded:

They who are during their prayer humbly submissive

And they who turn away from ill speech

And they who are observant of zakah

And they who guard their private parts

Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors -

 

https://quran.com/4/24-34

 

"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."

 

https://quran.com/24/32-42

 

"And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."

 

Proof that the Koran supports slavery. Hence your claim is FALSE and nothing more than Taqqiya.

 

And here is the history of it:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

So why you think, nearly 2 Billions Muslim in this world u see Today! who offer prayers, observe Ramdan, gives charity, performs Hajj but do not own such slaves? Well, you wont get the ans as long as your primary purpose remains 'propaganda' instead of checking the background, history, situations 1.5 Millennium ago, how it transformed and its status or rules in today's world...

 

well, in another example u can refer us a verse which does not strictly prohibits consuming alcohol, based on that, without getting into its context and background of that time and how it developed further, you can easily tell me consuming alcohol is Halal ;)

[mishra]

26 minutes ago, Asim said:

So why you think, nearly 2 Billions Muslim in this world u see Today! who offer prayers, observe Ramdan, gives charity, performs Hajj but do not own such slaves? Well, you wont get the ans as long as your primary purpose remains 'propaganda' instead of checking the background, history, situations 1.5 Millennium ago, how it transformed and its status or rules in today's world...

 

well, in another example u can refer us a verse which does not strictly prohibits consuming alcohol, based on that, without getting into its context and background of that time and how it developed further, you can easily tell me consuming alcohol is Halal ;)

Incorrect. ISIS, Boki Haram do own slaves. Muslim Nations dont own because British parliament banned slavery and Muslim nations dont have balls to defy Brits to follow path of Prophet

Edited May 23, 2017 by mishra

[The Realist]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Islam seriously needs reformation. Who will take the initiative?

Difficult to reform a brainwashed medieval cult which has seen zero progress/modernity in the last few hundred years.

 

There are more books produced in a year in Spanish than in the last 50 years in Arabic.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Asim said:

So why you think, nearly 2 Billions Muslim in this world u see Today! who offer prayers, observe Ramdan, gives charity, performs Hajj but do not own such slaves? Well, you wont get the ans as long as your primary purpose remains 'propaganda' instead of checking the background, history, situations 1.5 Millennium ago, how it transformed and its status or rules in today's world...

Actually, the only nations that have unofficial slavery are SOME of the muslim nations, which impound passport on arrival/refuse to give exit visa without 'local owners permission' etc. Still happens in Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen, Libya, etc. 

 

Ofcourse, most muslims can't own slaves, as it is enforced in overwhelming majority of countries. The point i proved, is that the Koran endorses slavery. Not 'in the old times it was acceptable', but the Koran directly accepts it- i.e., if you believe your book is 'perfect (sic) and eternal (sic)', then it holds that *IF* Muslims were to get away with slavery/it was economically viable, it'd do it. 

 

Quote

 

well, in another example u can refer us a verse which does not strictly prohibits consuming alcohol, based on that, without getting into its context and background of that time and how it developed further, you can easily tell me consuming alcohol is Halal ;)

Don't talk nonsense. There is no context to the Koran if you believe the Koran is both of divine and perfect. Perfection is not 'situationally imperfect', that is fundamental contradiction of your claim.

 

Its funny to hear this type of nonsense passing as 'argument' from 'Islamic scholars'. I will tell you folks this much : Muslim theology is like a 'cheeti' on the face of the sher that is Christian eschatology. You guys are so poor in philosophical depth compared to the X-tians that it isn't funny. Hence you make stupid comments like 'situation and context' to a book you claim is 'word of God/divine/perfect'. 

It shows, you guys are total zero in understanding what 'perfection' means as a concept. 

 

As for what is halal/what is not, i could care less what a fairytale from 6th century Arabia thought of 'God'.

[Muloghonto]

45 minutes ago, mishra said:

Incorrect. ISIS, Boki Haram do own slaves. Muslim Nations dont own because British parliament banned slavery and Muslim nations dont have balls to defy Brits to follow path of Prophet

Many muslim nations, like Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen, Libya, etc. require 'exit visa' to be given if your visa is employment-based. Ie, you are going over to work for THEM. You are effectively slaves unless your country has muscle, hence every year there is stories of '1840s style black maid who was sex slave to family and is now pregnant and a scandal' for house-maids from weak nations like Bangladesh or Philippines.

Muslims are the biggest slavers in the history of mankind. Simply because while they never matched the 'peak output rate' of a much superior (technologically,socially & economically) 'European slave days of 1700s and 1800s', they were at it for much, much longer. Nubian slaves were dime-a-dozen for most of the muslim world's history. 

 

Those who know/see Game of Thrones, well the 'Masters' are the Muslims and  'Unsullied' are the slave soldiers (with body parts intact and not so hyper-stylized of course, but still slaves) that were the foundation of many a muslim army- from the Mameluks to the 1800s Janissary soldiers. 

 

[cric_fan]

 

As usual, taking things out of context to bash Islam.

 

 

Worry about the high rape rate in India. Only yestreday I read how a 22yr old Indian girl was raped & tortured to death by a local man. You guys don't want to discuss that do you? Why have you guys not condemned that?

 

 

Stop obsessing over Muslims/Islam.

 

[Muloghonto]

26 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

 

 

As usual, taking things out of context to bash Islam.

 

 

 

 

Worry about the high rape rate in India. Only yestreday I read how a 22yr old Indian girl was raped & tortured to death by a local man. You guys don't want to discuss that do you? Why have you guys not condemned that?

 

 

 

 

Stop obsessing over Muslims/Islam.

 

Feel free to explain 'context' in a 'perfect book'.

 

[velu]

things will be normal when saudi & their oil brothers runs out of oil money ..

 

1970s

 

 

2010s

 

 

 

[Asim]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Actually, the only nations that have unofficial slavery are SOME of the muslim nations, which impound passport on arrival/refuse to give exit visa without 'local owners permission' etc. Still happens in Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen, Libya, etc. 

 

Ofcourse, most muslims can't own slaves, as it is enforced in overwhelming majority of countries. The point i proved, is that the Koran endorses slavery. Not 'in the old times it was acceptable', but the Koran directly accepts it- i.e., if you believe your book is 'perfect (sic) and eternal (sic)', then it holds that *IF* Muslims were to get away with slavery/it was economically viable, it'd do it. 

 

Don't talk nonsense. There is no context to the Koran if you believe the Koran is both of divine and perfect. Perfection is not 'situationally imperfect', that is fundamental contradiction of your claim.

 

Its funny to hear this type of nonsense passing as 'argument' from 'Islamic scholars'. I will tell you folks this much : Muslim theology is like a 'cheeti' on the face of the sher that is Christian eschatology. You guys are so poor in philosophical depth compared to the X-tians that it isn't funny. Hence you make stupid comments like 'situation and context' to a book you claim is 'word of God/divine/perfect'. 

It shows, you guys are total zero in understanding what 'perfection' means as a concept. 

 

As for what is halal/what is not, i could care less what a fairytale from 6th century Arabia thought of 'God'.

 

Can't believe someone can b this dumb to first take Anything Randomly and say I wont care about any of its context and then start questioning over its perfection :)
Quran gives us rules and principals for Every aspect of life which will forever remain the same but obv we are supposed to read on WHOLE bcz any certain aspect becomes a Rule or Law with Final words over it+According to Sunnah... as there are many details too about events which were happening in that time or even from past or like I mentioned how Alcohol was step-by-step eradicated from society of that time which is described but someone like u randomly taking a verse will easily tell me its not prohibited, without checking final words over it.

 

but well, I also know any logic or argument wont work for you as long as your primary purpose remains doing 'propaganda', however u r not new or alone, people doing so since 1.5 Millennium but the result always remained: Quran teachings and its followers kept on spreading and even today its fastest growing even in Europe and USA...

 

p.s. Although we don't need ur marking to certify our concepts or understanding however u are more than welcome to label yourself with 100 and us with 0, it will actually gives us some additional satisfaction :)

[mishra]

^ Fastest growing (Some argue its more down to breeding) or holiness doesnt justify what is mentioned in OP. Also even if 1% of followers end up believing  what is in op, that 20 million too many.

So, You need some body like Vatican which can come out and clarify everytime someone comes up with such crap in name of Islam. But for that, You need to stop killing each other or genocide in regions Islam has already grown.

Thats why I maintain, Onus is on Islam to co-exist with others

 

[kira]

@Mariyam What are your views on this?

[Ranvir]

33 minutes ago, Asim said:

 

Can't believe someone can b this dumb to first take Anything Randomly and say I wont care about any of its context and then start questioning over its perfection :)
Quran gives us rules and principals for Every aspect of life which will forever remain the same but obv we are supposed to read on WHOLE bcz any certain aspect becomes a Rule or Law with Final words over it+According to Sunnah... as there are many details too about events which were happening in that time or even from past or like I mentioned how Alcohol was step-by-step eradicated from society of that time which is described but someone like u randomly taking a verse will easily tell me its not prohibited, without checking final words over it.

 

but well, I also know any logic or argument wont work for you as long as your primary purpose remains doing 'propaganda', however u r not new or alone, people doing so since 1.5 Millennium but the result always remained: Quran teachings and its followers kept on spreading and even today its fastest growing even in Europe and USA...

 

p.s. Although we don't need ur marking to certify our concepts or understanding however u are more than welcome to label yourself with 100 and us with 0, it will actually gives us some additional satisfaction :)

Islam is fastest spreading due to high birth rates only. High birth rates are common amongst dumb backwards people.

 

Let's consider Germany. Germany let in 1 million Syrians. The birth rate in Syria is 3 children per woman, in Germany it is 1.4 per woman. So the number of Muslims will obviously grow Einstein.

 

Even in India non Muslims are having about 2 kids and Muslims are having 3.

 

All this will do is lead Muslims more and more into poverty and crime. But keep producing babies like rabbits so that Islam can take over the world! 

 

In the UK Muslims have the highest jail rates and poverty and that is a fact. Maybe because their parents have too many kids to keep an eye on them.

[kira]

46 minutes ago, Asim said:

Quran teachings and its followers kept on spreading and even today its fastest growing even in Europe and USA...

 

LOL is this what your local mullah tells you, is this the propaganda which you guys are brought up on? Of course it will be the fastest growing religion because you guys are breeding like cockroaches, it is not some thing to be proud of , it is like a virus spreading throughout the world.