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Bumrah vs Hasan Ali ---- Who's better prospect.


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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

The link you sent doesn't open on my mobile but you make it seem that Ali is as consistently quick like Starc or Rabada lol...1or 2 balls over 140+ doesn't count.

 

As I said Ali is a consistent bowler with good control...if he is such a good swing bowler why doesn't he bowl with the new ball? 

 

He he has a good seam position and good variations that's about it...an out and out LOI specialist...might get tonked around in T20s too with small grounds and flat pitches.Will do well in Odis

Hassan Ali consistently bowls around 140 Kph nowadays. :)

I hope i knew how to pull speed related stats from cricinfo. If anyone can, maybe they can help in clearing out your wrong information with hard evidence.

Hassan Ali doesnt bowls with the new ball because we have Amir and Junaid already bowling in that stage. Not that difficult to comprehend.

He is an all format bowler and as per the comparison in question, surpasses Bumrah by daylight.

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5 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

@maniac let the time pass baby. Will see you soon in this thread again 

I would be really  wary while  thinking about too long term for a Pakistani player even if he was the next coming of Marshall...what are the odds he will banned for fixing,drugs,indiscipline,chucking etc etc based on past experiences 

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13 minutes ago, StarWolf said:

Alright, from your description, Bumrah seems to be a typical Indian bowler whose first instinct is to limit the score and not to take wickets. Altho, i have seen Bumrah myself as well and i dont see him performing outside of the t20 format.

typical?  No. He's atypical.  In that he's actually effective at what he does.  

 

And whether you see him as "performing" or not, is irrelevant.  His role is to throttle the opposition by bowling his quota of overs, and if the batsmen try to score, they will get out.  

 

If you want to compare, you can compare Hassan to Bhuvi, and while Hassan has had a very good start to his career statistically, he hasn't yet demonstrated the skill level that Bhuvi has.  Bhuvi can move the ball both ways, and bowls a mean knuckleball - all of this with very little 'tell' for the batsman to detect.  

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

I would be really  wary while  thinking about too long term for a Pakistani player even if he was the next coming of Marshall...what are the odds he will banned for fixing,drugs,indiscipline,chucking etc etc based on past experiences 

Don't worry, Just mark the thread. :giggle:

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

typical?  No. He's atypical.  In that he's actually effective at what he does.  

 

And whether you see him as "performing" or not, is irrelevant.  His role is to throttle the opposition by bowling his quota of overs, and if the batsmen try to score, they will get out.  

 

If you want to compare, you can compare Hassan to Bhuvi, and while Hassan has had a very good start to his career statistically, he hasn't yet demonstrated the skill level that Bhuvi has.  Bhuvi can move the ball both ways, and bowls a mean knuckleball - all of this with very little 'tell' for the batsman to detect.  

Exactly. Thats what i said few posts back as well. Hassan and Bhuvi is an apt comparison because both are similar caliber bowlers. Bumrah is not equal to any of these two.

I like Bhuvi - talented bowler and tbh above Hassan ali currently.

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I wish cricket statistics get updated for the 21st century.  I want to see things like dot-ball percentage - rate of boundaries conceded per over - metrics like these, easily available for both batsmen and bowlers.   I suspect Bumrah is going to be right up there in those metrics, if not #1.  A bowler who can do that consistently and reliably, even at the death, is worth gold dust.  

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39 minutes ago, StarWolf said:

Hassan Ali all the way. Quality first choice bowler and a handy bat as well.

When he arrived in the team, he hit around 130-135kph but in just couple of months he has increased his pace to 140-145Kph. Good thing is that its not only pace with him because he is a very smart bowler as well and bowls in his limits.

Swings the ball really well and is a quality new ball bowler as well.

Bumrah on the other hand has no notable performances to name from what i have seen. I feel BV Kumar is comparable to Hassan and only on the aspect of bowling.

In ICC CT he has been seam at 140.

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3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

In ICC CT he has been seam at 140.

I feel CT speedguns are padded by 2-3 kms.  Bhuvi has increased his pace, but is not a 145-146 bowler, as has been clocked.  He can and does hit 140+ consistently, but not that high.

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Hassan definitely is the pak bowler with best control as of now. he is also their quickest proper bowler at around 135-140, leaving Wahhabi out as he has club level accuracy. Hassan can be quite extraordinary for the pak team, he is pretty mediocre at international level which will be a revolutionary player for present pak team who fall from piss poor - pathetic in international level, but the good thing is they seem to not cheat like their previous era teams/and players always used to. 

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12 minutes ago, StarWolf said:

Exactly. Thats what i said few posts back as well. Hassan and Bhuvi is an apt comparison because both are similar caliber bowlers. Bumrah is not equal to any of these two.

I like Bhuvi - talented bowler and tbh above Hassan ali currently.

Just a slight disagreement.  They are similar type of bowlers, not similar calibre.    Bhuvi has match-winning 5-fers in test cricket.   And has been in cricket for so many years.   Hassan has played a handful of games - needs to stick around for a couple of years before he can claim the same "calibre".   I've already pointed out the skills difference between Hassan and Bhuvi.  

 

Not to knock him too much, he looks a very handy bowler.  Excellent find for Pak team.  And a massive upgrade over the likes of Wahab in white ball cricket.  But let's not get carried away with greenbro bias and over-exaggerate his abilities and achievements.  

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BUMRAH --

 

-- Pace -- 135 k to 148 k in ODIs

-- Very accurate

-- Basically a hit the deck seam bowler...gets good bounce and good nip from the pitch.

-- Stock ball .... short of length, off stump

-- Height - Around 6'0"

-- Has a great yorker

-- Has a good bouncer

-- Can bowl slower balls

-- Seams the ball, can reverse it too

-- ODIs - 24 wickets from 14 matches, average 24, ER 4.8

-- T20Is - 33 wickets from 24 matches, average 17.8, ER 6.6

-- Shows that he is a wicket taker as well as very economical...a rare combo

-- I think he will be successful in tests because he combines good pace with good bounce at pinpoint accuracy with seam movement. He can reverse the old ball too.

 

HASAN ALI --

 

-- Pace -- 132 k to 143 k in ODIs

-- Reasonably accurate

-- He is a skiddy seam and swing bowler who gets good nip from the deck

-- Stock ball .... good length, off stump

-- Height - Around 5'8"...He is short

-- Has a good bouncer

-- Can bowl slower balls

-- Seams the ball, swings it too and can reverse it

-- ODIs - 36 wickets from 19 matches, average 24.9 , ER 5.8

-- T20Is - 10 wickets from 7 matches, average 19.7,  ER 7.9

-- Shows that he is a wicket taker in LOIs but not very economical.

-- I think he may do well in tests, especially in Asia, because he is a skiddy bowler who can reverse it and gets nip off the deck

 

To summarize....both are top prospects for their respective countries....Bumrah is both a wicket taker and economical in LOIs....Hasan All is a wicket taker in LOIs.

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

BUMRAH --

 

-- Pace -- 135 k to 148 k in ODIs

-- Very accurate

-- Basically a hit the deck seam bowler...gets good bounce and good nip from the pitch.

-- Stock ball .... short of length, off stump

-- Height - Around 6'0"

-- Has a great yorker

-- Has a good bouncer

-- Can bowl slower balls

-- Seams the ball, can reverse it too

-- ODIs - 24 wickets from 14 matches, average 24, ER 4.8

-- T20Is - 33 wickets from 24 matches, average 17.8, ER 6.6

-- Shows that he is both a wicket taker as well as very economical...a rare combo

-- I think he will be successful in tests because he combines high pace with steep bounce at pinpoint accuracy with seam movement. He can reverse the old ball too.

 

HASAN ALI --

 

-- Pace -- 132 k to 143 k in ODIs

-- Reasonably accurate

-- He is a skiddy seam and swing bowler who gets good nip from the deck

-- Stock ball .... good length, off stump

-- Height - Around 5'8"...He is short

-- Has a good bouncer

-- Can bowl slower balls

-- Seams the ball, swings it too and can reverse it

-- ODIs - 36 wickets from 19 matches, average 24.9 , ER 5.8

-- T20Is - 10 wickets from 7 matches, average 19.7,  ER 7.9

-- Shows that he is both a wicket taker in LOIs but not very economical.

-- I think he may do well in tests, especially in Asia, because he is a skiddy bowler who can reverse it and gets nip off the deck

 

To summarize....both are top prospects for their respective countries....Bumrah is both wicket taking and economical....Hasan All is wicket taking.

Thanks for the statistics.I might revise my opinion based on this, even though it is early days.

 

I feel batsmen play cautiously against Bumrah while they try to go after Ali which is reflected in both the wkts and ER.

Ali is more like Agarkar/Razzak.Bumrah more like Malinga.Each have their place in their respective teams.

 

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

I feel CT speedguns are padded by 2-3 kms.  Bhuvi has increased his pace, but is not a 145-146 bowler, as has been clocked.  He can and does hit 140+ consistently, but not that high.

In CT ...Bhuvi is bowling 132 k to 142 k range....which is about how quick he looks.

 

Known fast bowlers like Umesh, Cummins, Rabada are all bowling their normal 135 k to 148 k range.....so speedguns in CT are ok.

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4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

In CT ...Bhuvi is bowling 132 k to 142 k range....which is about how quick he looks.

 

Known fast bowlers like Umesh, Cummins, Rabada are all bowling their normal 135 k to 148 k range.....so speedgun in CT are ok.

142 sounds about right for Bhuvi's topend pace.  I thought someone posted Bhuvi at 145+ - that's what made me think there's a bit of padding.  

And Hassan Ali looks skiddy quick who surprises batsmen with his pace, but I don't think he's 145 plus either.  

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