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Alright so this game wrapped up , we are down to business for the final hurdle against Pakistan.  They are definitely an improved side since the first game but we need to draw out our flaws and find the right combination .  This 11 isn't doing the job well enough against a rejuvenated side. 

 

Biggest issues is  Ashwin/Jadeja/Pandya/ Shami

 

  1. Rohit
  2. Shikhar
  3. Kohli
  4. Yuvi
  5. Jadhav
  6. Dhoni
  7. Bhuvi
  8. Bumrah

 

We have 3 spots left and 4 people to possible toss up.  

Ashwin =  Better bowler but batting ability

Jadeja =  All round ability plus fielding

Pandya =  as a 3rd seamer not working and batting is very hit and miss

Shami  -  3rd seamer - Strike bowler.

 

Wht would you guys do ?

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8 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Alright so this game wrapped up , we are down to business for the final hurdle against Pakistan.  They are definitely an improved side since the first game but we need to draw out our flaws and find the right combination .  This 11 isn't doing the job well enough against a rejuvenated side. 

 

Biggest issues is  Ashwin/Jadeja/Pandya/ Shami

 

  1. Rohit
  2. Shikhar
  3. Kohli
  4. Yuvi
  5. Jadhav
  6. Dhoni
  7. Bhuvi
  8. Bumrah

 

We have 3 spots left and 4 people to possible toss up.  

Ashwin =  Better bowler but batting ability

Jadeja =  All round ability plus fielding

Pandya =  as a 3rd seamer not working and batting is very hit and miss

Shami  -  3rd seamer - Strike bowler.

 

Wht would you guys do ?

 

Depends on the pitch a little bit.   If its totally flat and nothing at all for the spinner, which is what I think it will be, then play one spinner, Shami and Pandya.   

 

I would go with Ash, Shami and Pandya.  

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I'm a bit underwhelmed with Pandya.   His role is of a 3rd seamer and he can't even get 10 overs in. and goes for RPO of around 8.

His batting except 5 balls against Pakistan is non existent.

 

Shami for Pandya  - we get a specialist seamer who is a strike bowler.

 

Ash and Jaddu -even if one of them fires then we can contain 

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We must play 4 fast bowlers against Pakistan in the final

 

  • Pakistan is weak against pace
  • Better against spin
  • All our 4  fast bowlers bowled really well against Pakistan in the group stage
  • Pitches here are not aiding spinners that much and pacers are doing better

 

 

Play  Shami  (  or Umesh if Shami is not 100% )     in place of Ashwin

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Just now, express bowling said:
  • Pakistan is weak against pace
  • Better against spin
  • All our 4  fast bowlers bowled really well against Pakistan in the group stage
  • Pitches here are not aiding spinners that much and pacers are doing better

 

 

Play  Shami  (  or Umesh if Shami not 100% )     in place of Ashwin

100% agree with you.  But I would keep Ashwin in the team.  Bench Jadeja - if you need a few overs of left arm spin - Yuvi is there.  Not just to pose for the cameras for 50 overs.   Once Ash completes his spell in the 39th over or so, Jadeja can come and field for him.   He may even be able to field for more than that by subbing for Shami or Bumrah for a few overs earlier in the game.   

 

These pitches just don't have enough grip for Jadeja's darts to be effective.  Sure he's good enough to still be utilitarian, but Ash will provide that higher wicket-taking probability in the middle overs.   

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

100% agree with you.  But I would keep Ashwin in the team.  Bench Jadeja - if you need a few overs of left arm spin - Yuvi is there.  Not just to pose for the cameras for 50 overs.   Once Ash completes his spell in the 39th over or so, Jadeja can come and field for him.   He may even be able to field for more than that by subbing for Shami or Bumrah for a few overs earlier in the game.   

 

These pitches just don't have enough grip for Jadeja's darts to be effective.  Sure he's good enough to still be utilitarian, but Ash will provide that higher wicket-taking probability in the middle overs.   

 

I  am flexible about  Jadeja or Ashwin.   Originally preferred  Jadeja as he is a better fielder and a slightly better hitter.

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I feel Umesh will be better bet than Shami because Shami might not be fit. None of us know about Shami's fitness, only Kohli and co would.

 

If there is any doubt with Shami's fitness, I will play Umesh for Ashwin and have Shami continue to warm the bench and have Ashwin carry Gatorade amd Bananas.

 

 

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No way I am sitting Jadeja and Pandya. Their fielding, esp RAJ's catching at point is invluable. As great a bowler as Ashwin is, he looks off color. And his fielding is not even in the same pincode as the others. Shami in. Ashwin out.  Rahane 12th man.

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10 minutes ago, Brainfade said:

No way I am sitting Jadeja and Pandya. Their fielding, esp RAJ's catching at point is invluable. As great a bowler as Ashwin is, he looks off color. And his fielding is not even in the same pincode as the others. Shami in. Ashwin out.  Rahane 12th man.

What about sitting Jadeja for Shami ?

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6 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

they are not going to change the team  now,i imagine it will be a patta at the Oval.They should not give the ball to Pandya at all.

If Pandya is not given the ball , why is he in the team  ?  Pandya's job is 70 % with the ball and 30 % with the bat.

 

If Pandya isn't gonna bowl - might as well let Shami/Umesh or Ashwin be in for him 

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10 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

they are not going to change the team  now,i imagine it will be a patta at the Oval.They should not give the ball to Pandya at all.

If it's a patta then all the more reason for playing someone like Shami coz Pak hacks will be able to slog Ashwin on a patta but find it tough against Shami's pace.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:
  • Pakistan is weak against pace
  • Better against spin
  • All our 4  fast bowlers bowled really well against Pakistan in the group stage
  • Pitches here are not aiding spinners that much and pacers are doing better

 

 

Play  Shami  (  or Umesh if Shami is not 100% )     in place of Ashwin

 

Why was this thread merged   ??

 

The title talks about the importance of 4 fast bowers against  Pakistan.

 

This was not a general discussion about the changes needed for the final but stressed on the importance of 4 fast bowlers against Pakistan.

 

I would request a mod to get back the original thread.

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14 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

If Pandya is not given the ball , why is he in the team  ?  Pandya's job is 70 % with the ball and 30 % with the bat.

 

If Pandya isn't gonna bowl - might as well let Shami/Umesh or Ashwin be in for him 

Ashwin in place of Pandya is not a bad Idea. Depending on the pitch.

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Without Umesh and Shami, the attack is looking toothless. I would bring in both Umesh and Shami. Ashwin is going to be useless. Pandya is not of much help.  And we have enough hitters to take care of batting. 

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1 hour ago, bleaf27 said:

Alright so this game wrapped up , we are down to business for the final hurdle against Pakistan.  They are definitely an improved side since the first game but we need to draw out our flaws and find the right combination .  This 11 isn't doing the job well enough against a rejuvenated side. 

 

Biggest issues is  Ashwin/Jadeja/Pandya/ Shami

 

  1. Rohit
  2. Shikhar
  3. Kohli
  4. Yuvi
  5. Jadhav
  6. Dhoni
  7. Bhuvi
  8. Bumrah

 

We have 3 spots left and 4 people to possible toss up.  

Ashwin =  Better bowler but batting ability

Jadeja =  All round ability plus fielding

Pandya =  as a 3rd seamer not working and batting is very hit and miss

Shami  -  3rd seamer - Strike bowler.

 

Wht would you guys do ?

Will keep pandya for sure. His pacy innings even if he can get 20-25 is very useful. Will bring in Shami for Jadhav. Thats it.

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35 minutes ago, DGBOSS said:

Will keep pandya for sure. His pacy innings even if he can get 20-25 is very useful. Will bring in Shami for Jadhav. Thats it.

You will take another batsman our for another bowler ? 

So you want Bhuvi , Bumrah , Shami, Ashwin , Jadeja and Pandya  all bowling ? 

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12 minutes ago, asterix said:

Shami should play. Today Kedar bailed out in the middle overs...

 

Pandya was being tonked all over the park...

I agree , Pandya is not being a strike bowler -  any batsman who wants to spend time in the middle can put Pandya away easy - SL and BD showed how easy it is.

 

I'd be tempted to bring Karthik for Pandya and Shami for Ashwin/Jadeja 

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1 minute ago, bleaf27 said:

I agree , Pandya is not being a strike bowler -  any batsman who wants to spend time in the middle can put Pandya away easy - SL and BD showed how easy it is.

 

I'd be tempted to bring Karthik for Pandya and Shami for Ashwin/Jadeja 

Not taking risk bringing in karthik man.. that too in finals. Just can't see that happening.  Pandya is batting allrounder he started bowling just 4 or 5 years back

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4 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

I agree , Pandya is not being a strike bowler -  any batsman who wants to spend time in the middle can put Pandya away easy - SL and BD showed how easy it is.

 

I'd be tempted to bring Karthik for Pandya and Shami for Ashwin/Jadeja 

Pandya got Tamim bowled of a no ball and a catch dropped.Two wickets missed. He is still creating odd chances. Of course he is expensive.Things would start falling in place for him sooner than later as far as getting those wickets are concerned. 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Not taking risk bringing in karthik man.. that too in finals. Just can't see that happening.  Pandya is batting allrounder he started bowling just 4 or 5 years back

Utterly confused man .  Pandya has been bowling like Wahab and batting like Imad Wasim.

And Shami / Umesh / Ashwin / Karthik warming the benches dont make sense

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14 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Utterly confused man .  Pandya has been bowling like Wahab and batting like Imad Wasim.

And Shami / Umesh / Ashwin / Karthik warming the benches dont make sense

He batted in just 2 innings.. he did well in one of those... Don't forget his fielding as well.He did well against pak in 1st match.

 

Just shami for ashwin will do if its flat pitch

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1 minute ago, bleaf27 said:

Dravid suggesting Virat to keep the team unchanged, seriously disagree with it. 

Pak from the grapevine is thinking of even dropping Imad 

Ashwin is useless and especially against subcontinent teams on a patta. Shami or even Umesh has to replace him so we have a wkt taking option in the middle overs.

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On 6/15/2017 at 1:44 PM, asterix said:

Shami should play. Today Kedar bailed out in the middle overs...

 

Pandya was being tonked all over the park...

Is Pandya terrible in IPL too? he atleast should have learned some variations to keep the run rate low.He just bowls every ball at a perfect length to be hit.

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7 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

Is Pandya terrible in IPL too? he atleast should have learned some variations to keep the run rate low.He just bowls every ball at a perfect length to be hit.

Rohit did not have much trust in his bowling and hence did not use him much with the ball. He used to bowl a over or two at times and plenty of times not even a single over. MI had a good bowling attack so that was also the reason that he did not get to bowl much but whenever he did he was bad or okayish. 

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