What is Jadeja doing in this Indian team!!

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, someone said:

They both still have a decent ODI records and the alternatives you are talking about, are based on IPL T20 exploits. That is a different format as well. We  sureneed to improve our bench strength or the squad depth. But that doesn't mean give up on both of them.

They don't have decent ODI records in the last 2 years.  Even their overall ODI records do not befit a spin-dominant country like India.

 

More importantly, they seem to be more suited mentally to test matches nowadays.

 

My alternatives are just suggestions.

 

With the World Cup still 2 years away, this the right time to try new faces by rotation and there are quite a few candidates.

[express bowling]

Just now, Vilander said:

lol 1 loss and look at the meltdown. guys cheerup 

Suggestions of trying new spinners have been doing the rounds for the last 1 year.

 

Even before CT, most people wanted Kuldeep in place of Ashwin.

 

More importantly, now that the CT is over and the WC is 2 years away.... this is the ideal time to try out new players.   Even if we had won the CT, that would  have been the prudent thing to do.

[Laaloo]

3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

lol 1 loss and look at the meltdown. guys cheerup 

Our spinners have been mediocre for a while now. It's not a meltdown.

[someone]

11 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Our weak point is middle overs. If we don't take wickets in first 15 we are screwed. Pretty obvious after srilanka and Bangladesh matches. You need a mix of containing and wicket takers. If there is no variety we will loose big matches also both bowlers are spin track bullies that will keep things in perspective. Have seen Ashwin bowl ? He was bowling on pads of a newbie opener that was atrocious.

Lol, that's called planning and containing the opposition. Take the semi-final, we took wickets as their batsman couldn't score runs. There is nothing wrong with such plan. Just like that pakistan opener counter attacked well. And don't make such filmy comments like we need wicket takers. Is it written on a bowlers forehead that they are one or not?

 

We can't give up on our current players whereas as the same time, we should always look to build competition. So more spinners are welcome but Ash/Jadeja are still quality bowlers.

Edited June 19, 2017 by someone

[someone]

3 minutes ago, Praggy said:

Our spinners have been mediocre for a while now. It's not a meltdown.

All spinners generally struggled in this CT in England. You can't expect in India-like figures in an overseas country as England.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

We need to play and develop Kuldeep Yadav and Krunal Pandya

 

Kuldeep is a wicket-taking wrist-spinner.

 

Krunal is an economical left-armer who can bat at No.6 or No.7 and hit big shots ( which Jadeja cannot )

 

This will also allow us to play 3 front-line fast bowlers and Hardik Pandya.

 

 

Not only 3 front line but on pitches that wud turn we can get in our jadeja, ashwin coz atleast they are good on rank turners 

 

3 spinner we really need to groom in next few yrs are chahal,M ashwin, Rahul chahar

M not to convinced about Chahal as of now, in t20 batsman looks to hit u which is advantage to many bowler but in longer formats they can milk u n rotate u. That is where even the chucker Narine struggled

 

So the Zimb Odi or warmup game against eng Chahal didnt convince me much. I agree its small sample size but we shud also not pin all our hopes on him thats y.

 

Jadeja still needs to be in picture as 2nd spinner till Chahal earns it and yes he has to be given chances to prove that 

 

I wud really like to look at K gowtham as well, i have no idea how good a spinner he is but he can bat....... so incase we go with krunal n kuldeep we can have this guy as off spinner for variety in case of slow pitches. 

 

K gowtham shud also be tested in LOI format on A-games

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

48 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Suggestions of trying new spinners have been doing the rounds for the last 1 year.

 

Even before CT, most people wanted Kuldeep in place of Ashwin.

 

More importantly, now that the CT is over and the WC is 2 years away.... this is the ideal time to try out new players.   Even if we had won the CT, that would  have been the prudent thing to do.

Wi was an ideal series- we missed the opportunity we cud have actually send Chahal for jadeja 

 

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

In the last 2 years in ODIs, Jadeja has taken only 11 wickets from 14 matches at an average of 62 and an ER of 5.4

 

In the last 2 years in ODIs, Ashwin has taken only 10 wickets from 11 matches at an average of 56 and an ER of 5.7

 

We need new ODI spinners and must change this habit of automatically including test match stars in the other formats.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;spanmax2=19+Jun+2017;spanmin2=19+Jun+2015;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=2;spanmax1=19+Jun+2017;spanmin1=19+Jun+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

We shudnt look jadeja more then a containing bowler who is an asset on field and can hold a bat , thats it

Hoping him to be a strike bowler spinner is wrong n has costed us 

 

Incase we need to hold one end up from a spinner against sides like Sa, ENg, NZ

[prudent_kreeda]

1 hour ago, someone said:

They both still have a decent ODI records and the alternatives you are talking about, are based on IPL T20 exploits. That is a different format as well. We  sureneed to improve our bench strength or the squad depth. But that doesn't mean give up on both of them.

   If you do not include any new spinner on ODI , how you know they are good or not ? 

   How bench strength will improve if you do not include new ones but hang on to these for another 2 years. 

  

  What is if these are injured , then how to make out who should replace them . Whoever it is will not have played in ODI .

  So including a newbie  straight away  without match experience and then make him a bakra .  

 

  We should test  atleast 2 new spinners in each position and see who comes up trumps . If none delivers and yet Great Oldies Ash & Jaddu do far better  in the mean time , may be consider them .

But honestly i can't see Ash  becoming a Monster bowler in ODI going forward.

  

 

  

 

[eternalhope]

Kuldeep and Rahul Chahar are the real new genuine spinning talent of what I have seen so far. Krunal - I can't understand why he is not being a chance. I think he is more than ready for the spinning allrounder spot.

[bleaf27]

Only in India ,  how you "field" is considered a criteria for selection...

Show any quality side where any player is selected only on the basis of fielding , except the legend of Jonty even though with the bat he was quite handy , no team selects any players for his fielding ability because at an international level you are expected to field that way !  Jadeja's fielding is great because he fields for India - In SA or Australia his fielding would be comparable to everyone else. 

Australia will not select Warner or Martyn only for Fielding ?

Certain sections of the Indian fans here justify selecting players for their ability to field - that's low . Raise the bar and do not count that as a reason to take the spot.

 

Jadeja should be in the team either to contribute as a Batsman or a bowler or as both and right now he's doing neither !  He's not contributing with the bat or the bowl   -  Might as well bring someone new in -  Let Jadeja struggle a bit at domestic  - Bring Raina back or Try the other Pandya /  Kuldeep  .   A wicket taking spinner is better than  Ravindra "contain"  Jadeja who might score 10 runs of 20 balls 

[Khota]

41 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Only in India ,  how you "field" is considered a criteria for selection...

Show any quality side where any player is selected only on the basis of fielding , except the legend of Jonty even though with the bat he was quite handy , no team selects any players for his fielding ability because at an international level you are expected to field that way !  Jadeja's fielding is great because he fields for India - In SA or Australia his fielding would be comparable to everyone else. 

Australia will not select Warner or Martyn only for Fielding ?

Certain sections of the Indian fans here justify selecting players for their ability to field - that's low . Raise the bar and do not count that as a reason to take the spot.

 

Jadeja should be in the team either to contribute as a Batsman or a bowler or as both and right now he's doing neither !  He's not contributing with the bat or the bowl   -  Might as well bring someone new in -  Let Jadeja struggle a bit at domestic  - Bring Raina back or Try the other Pandya /  Kuldeep  .   A wicket taking spinner is better than  Ravindra "contain"  Jadeja who might score 10 runs of 20 balls 

Totally disagree. If you cannot field (Ashwin) you should not play.

jadeja was not the problem.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Khota

[bleaf27]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

Totally disagree. If you cannot field (Ashwin) you should not play.

jadeja was not the problem.

Fielding isn't a criteria for selection.  If you are strike bowler you need to play regardless.  Problem with Ashwin is he's neither.  M Amir is a strike bowler - his fielding would make him useless ?  McGrath was a horrible fielder - you'd keep him out ?  Do not compare Strike bowlers with random players. 

Jadeja isn't being a wicket taking option anymore.   His fielding isn't a reason for him to be in the team 

[Khota]

59 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Fielding isn't a criteria for selection.  If you are strike bowler you need to play regardless.  Problem with Ashwin is he's neither.  M Amir is a strike bowler - his fielding would make him useless ?  McGrath was a horrible fielder - you'd keep him out ?  Do not compare Strike bowlers with random players. 

Jadeja isn't being a wicket taking option anymore.   His fielding isn't a reason for him to be in the team 

Gone are those days. With modern cricket if you are not fit to field you are not fit to be in team. You may be a strike bowler or batsman but if you give up dozen boundaries and two catches you are a liability.

[bleaf27]

11 minutes ago, Khota said:

Gone are those days. With modern cricket if you are not fit to field you are not fit to be in team. You may be a strike bowler or batsman but if you give up dozen boundaries and two catches you are a liability.

Ofcourse , but nowadays the standard of fielding is much better .  No fielder is expected to drop couple catches and give couple boundaries thus with such a higher level of fielding overall in international cricket -  no player should be selected solely for their fielding.

I will still  take an overweight Warne in my team over a fit Jadeja any given day 

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Ofcourse , but nowadays the standard of fielding is much better .  No fielder is expected to drop couple catches and give couple boundaries thus with such a higher level of fielding overall in international cricket -  no player should be selected solely for their fielding.

I will still  take an overweight Warne in my team over a fit Jadeja any given day 

I will not take any overweight person on my team. This is professional level  and there is no scope for error.

[bleaf27]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

I will not take any overweight person on my team. This is professional level  and there is no scope for error.

Again , your role in the side as long as isn't a liability should not be the criteria.  An  "overweight" Warne is 10 times more productive for his team than a fit Jadeja.   M Amir wrecked India alone , his fielding isn't outstanding - his role is a strike bowler and he did that job.  If Jadeja cannot pick wickets -  his fielding capability is redundant 

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Again , your role in the side as long as isn't a liability should not be the criteria.  An  "overweight" Warne is 10 times more productive for his team than a fit Jadeja.   M Amir wrecked India alone , his fielding isn't outstanding - his role is a strike bowler and he did that job.  If Jadeja cannot pick wickets -  his fielding capability is redundant 

Jadeja was a spinning all rounder. They never took him strictly for bowling. They had many choices for bowling. From day one I was saying Harbhajan should have been playing instead of Ashwin. Dumb selectors.

 

Once again it was not Jadeja who was the problem, It was Kohli.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Khota

[Lannister]

He's no more an option in oversees conditions. But I doubt our selectors are smart enough to see that. 

[bleaf27]

12 minutes ago, Khota said:

Jadeja was a spinning all rounder. They never took him strictly for bowling. They had many choices for bowling. From day one I was saying Harbhajan should have been playing instead of Ashwin. Dumb selectors.

 

Once again it was not Jadeja who was the problem, It was Kohli.

The concern is jadeja isn't picking wickets and he isn't able to contain. His batting has been quite awful. Some people defend his inclusion on the basis of his fielding which is stupidity. If you are a bowler - pick wickets, everything comes after. If you are a batsman make runs and other qualities are after that. 

But don't be a good fielder in the team who cannot make runs or take wickets. 

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

The concern is jadeja isn't picking wickets and he isn't able to contain. His batting has been quite awful. Some people defend his inclusion on the basis of his fielding which is stupidity. If you are a bowler - pick wickets, everything comes after. If you are a batsman make runs and other qualities are after that. 

But don't be a good fielder in the team who cannot make runs or take wickets. 

Never implied that. Fielding should be minimum entrance criteria.