Being too dependent on Kohli is still costing us crucial ODI games

[Cricketics]

Many might argue, but its very true in recent history.  Whenever we have played Pakistan in any format recently, our batsmen have struggled while Kohli has carried the hopes and we have been very dependent on him.

 

This is one of the reasons why Indian batting line up needed a transition or shake up as we need to be stop being so dependent on Kohli only when it comes to these high pressure games like the one against Pakistan. 

 

In most recent games against Pakistan, be it Asia Cup games where we were in trouble chasing low tota in t20 and Amir was bowling well, or be it world t20 game against Pakistan, and also the world cup 2015 game, Pakistan has always wanted to get out Kohli early and Kohli has always scored in those games and helped India win. 

 

Yes, Kohli does not have a great average in the finals at this time, and against Pakistan there is always plenty of pressure on players, and in those games Kohli has always performed while others have regularly struggled in recent history.

 

Yesterday's Kohli failure with the bat showed how we have collapsed again without anyone else taking any responsibility. Show again how bad we are with the bat overall in the middle order past Kohli. You need reliability at the end of the day and we don't have that much at this time after Kohli. 

 

[Adi_91]

This has been a problem especially seen in the last 2 years.

 

Kohli singlehandedly carried India all the way upto the SF in the WT20 last year. The rest were well behind.  

 

You cant be a champion side depending on one player. India for this mistake is rightfully not one this time too.

[Cricketics]

27 minutes ago, Adi_91 said:

This has been a problem especially seen in the last 2 years.

 

Kohli singlehandedly carried India all the way upto the SF in the WT20 last year. The rest were well behind.  

 

You cant be a champion side depending on one player. India for this mistake is rightfully not one this time too.

Yeah, good thing is that we have two full years and just one year to sort this whole mess.

 

Credit to Sharma and Dhawan who played well in this tournament but we really need to fix the middle order.

[Adi_91]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Yeah, good thing is that we have two full years and hust one year to sort this whole mess.

 

Credit to Sharma and Dhawan who played well in this tournament but we really need to fix the middle order.

What pains is the abundance of talent the Indian side possesses. There is every chance of us being a successful limited overs side if we set our priorities right.

[BeautifulGame]

 

We aren't too dependent on Kohli.

 

 

Both Dhawan and Rohit has scored probably more in ICC tournaments.

 

 

Infact Dhawan is our best bat in ICC tournaments not Kohli.

 

 

Rest are meaningless stats.No one cares or remembers.

 

 

We do need to fix our middle order.That is again upto Kohli who is the captain.But also Kohli needs to figure out how not to choke under pressure.

 

 

This is the second big chase he has completely made a fool off after the 2015 semi.

 

 

For the undisputed best chaser in the world , he needs to step up when it matters.

 

 

[Rasgulla]

Time to let go yuvi first... then Dhoni 

[Cricketics]

16 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

We aren't too dependent on Kohli.

 

Both Dhawan and Rohit has scored probably more in ICC tournaments.

 

Infact Dhawan is our best bat in ICC tournaments not Kohli.

 

Rest are meaningless stats.No one cares or remembers.

 

We do need to fix our middle order.That is again upto Kohli who is the captain.But also Kohli needs to figure out how not to choke under pressure.

 

This is the second big chase he has completely made a fool off after the 2015 semi.

 

For so called the best chaser in the world , he needs to step up when it matters.

This is about India vs Pakistan pressure I am talkig about.

 

Its hard to explain you what we are trying to mention here. What you mentioned about Dhawan and Rohit and about Kohli struggling in playoffs was also the first thing I mentioned here that he hasn't had a great final or playoff average.

 

However point of this thread is that is to discuss that even in a high pressure game like the Pakistan game, we are dependent on Kohli. Any game against Pakistan is full pressure game and that is what I mentioned that Indian team has struggled regularly against Pakistan, all bats regularly in recent history, be it any format, hence the title. 

 

Yesterday's failure of Kohli showed how bad we looked without him.

 

If finals are pressure then so are India-Pak games. We all know there is added pressure in that game and if one doesn't accept that, then he/she are lying to themselves.

 

[Cricketics]

17 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

We aren't too dependent on Kohli.

 

Both Dhawan and Rohit has scored probably more in ICC tournaments.

 

Infact Dhawan is our best bat in ICC tournaments not Kohli.

 

Rest are meaningless stats.No one cares or remembers.

 

We do need to fix our middle order.That is again upto Kohli who is the captain.But also Kohli needs to figure out how not to choke under pressure.

 

This is the second big chase he has completely made a fool off after the 2015 semi.

 

For so called the best chaser in the world , he needs to step up when it matters.

So India vs Pak games don't matter and shouldn't be considered as pressure games? Stop lying to yourself.

 

 

[BeautifulGame]

 

5 hours ago, Cricketics said:

This is about India vs Pakistan pressure I am talkig about.

 

 

 

Its hard to explain you what we are trying to mention here. What you mentioned about Dhawan and Rohit and about Kohli struggling in playoffs was also the first thing I mentioned here that he hasn't had a great final or playoff average.

 

 

 

However point of this thread is that is to put the message across that even in a high oressure game like the Pakistan game, we are dependent on Kohli. Any game against Pakistan is full pressure game and that is what I mentioned that Indian team has struggled regularly against Pakistan, all bats regularly.

 

 

 

If finals are pressure then so are India-Pak games. We all know there is added pressure in that game and if one doesn't accept that, then he/she are lying to themselves.

 

 

 

Definitely not the pointless Asia cup.They couldn't even find broadcaster bidding for it in India and had to sell it in cheap to Star .Shows the interest .

 

 

And Kohli is the best batsman ofcourse they will definitely want to get him out.

 

 

But 50 ICC tournaments ,We aren't too dependent on Kohli alone .Pakistan or Dhawan.Dhawan has been our best player actually.

 

 

It would make sense if say we are too dependent on our top 3.Not just Kohli.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[BeautifulGame]

So India vs Pak games don't matter and shouldn't be considered as pressure games? Stop lying to yourself.

 

 

 

Not in meaningless Asia cups.

 

Yes it does in World cups

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Not in meaningless Asia cups.

 

Yes it does in World cups

And Kohli scored in important game against Pak in 2015 wc.

 

Against game against Paknin recent world t20, we were chasing a low total but we were ready to screw up until Kohli stood there and scored and accelerated while others struggled.

 

 

 

 

[Singh bling]

 

Not in meaningless Asia cups.

 

Yes it does in World cups

Every match between India and Pakistan is important , If Asia cups are meaningless then how come Sharjah cup used to matter so much that people still talk about Miandad Six

 

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[Cricketics]

6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Not in meaningless Asia cups.

 

Yes it does in World cups

Game against Pakistan in Asia cups might be meaningless in fromt of ICC event but they will always hold lot of pressure, so stop kidding yourself. A player is always under pressure in India-Pakistan game. 

 

 

[BeautifulGame]

Game against Pakistan in Asia cups might be meaningless in fromt of ICC event but they will always hold lot of pressure, so stop kidding yourself. A player is always under pressure in India-Pakistan game. 

 

 

 

A player is under pressure to perform every big game.Regarldless of Pakistan or Srilanka or Australia.

 

The point is what matters most? It's the ICC tournaments.

[Cricketics]

5 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Every match between India and Pakistan is important , If Asia cups are meaningless then how come Sharjah cup used to matter so much that people still talk about Miandad Six

 

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Dude this guy Beautifulgame lives in his own lalaland. He would filter stats to prove and bring down Kohli in anyway possible.

 

With all the failure people mentioned, Kohli averaged 50 in 2015 wc.

 

Like you said wvery India vs Pak game is important.

 

When the player is playing that game, they don't care its icc tournament or asia cup. They know its a freakin game against Pak and play under that pressure.

 

 

[BeautifulGame]

Just now, Cricketics said:

Dude this guy Beautifulgame lives in his own lalaland. He would filter stats to prove and bring down Kohli in anyway possible.

 

With all the failure people mentioned, Kohli averaged 50 in 2015 wc.

 

Like you said wvery India vs Pak game is important.

 

When the player is playing that game, they don't care its icc tournament or asia cup. They know its a freakin game against Pak and play under that pressure.

 

 

If you wanna get personal comments just because you are obsessed with Kohli then it's not my problem.

[Cricketics]

6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

A player is under pressure to perform every big game.Regarldless of Pakistan or Srilanka or Australia.

 

The point is what matters most? It's the ICC tournamen

Lol you answered yourself, so player with highest average is Kohli, even though he failed in the final in CT.

 

 

 

Since every game in this tournament is important and not just final.

 

 

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

If you wanna get personal comments just because you are obsessed with Kohli then it's not my problem.

What personal, you are clearly saying every game is important in ICC tournaments and then later say, no one cares about other knocks while Kohli still ended the tournament with higher average than other players, even higher average than Golden bat Dhawan.

 

Nothing personal, just stating facts to you.if you can defend the stats then do. 

[Cricketics]

8 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

That wasn't Sharjah cup Australia-Asia cup.

 

 

Point is it hurt when you lose to pak, be it asia cup game or world cup game, so anyone who does well there should be credit and it is important performance.

[BeautifulGame]

10 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Every match between India and Pakistan is important , If Asia cups are meaningless then how come Sharjah cup used to matter so much that people still talk about Miandad Six

 

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That was some Australia-Asia cup not Sharjah.

 

How many Asia cup games do we even remember honestly?

 

It's what the reality is.Not that Ind Pakistan matches don't have pressure , but are ultimately meaningless when in comparison with world cups.

 

The fact that we have to go back to that one isntance in 80s shows the point.