BeautifulGame Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) From Express article http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/anil-kumble-virat-kohli-india-coach-palace-intrigue-4715891/ Quote But it deserves a little rewind now as it’s the past that shapes the present, and will colour the future. Kohli was captain but his choice seemingly didn’t matter then. Neither did the voices of support for Shastri that bubbled up from a few senior players. It was a choice that was foisted from above on the players. In their playing days, the CAC members — Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly and VVS Laxman — chose or influenced the coach but weren’t willing to give the current lot the same courtesy. Not that the choice of Kumble was unanimous then. It took a vote from Laxman to break the deadlock after Tendulkar and Ganguly chose Shastri and Kumble respectively So Sachin picked Shastri as coach , Ganguly because of his feud with Shastri picked Kumble.And thenLaxman who was a business partner of Kumble and who benefits monetarily by any allliviation of Kumble , made the decision to pick Kumble by casting the decisive vote. One can fully understand if Kohli had misgivings about Kumble from the beginning considering the selection process. Kumble maybe a man of integrity during his playing days but sorry he doesn't come across good here.If he was so should have made public his nature of relationship with Laxman before the interview process and Laxman should have stepped down from the committee. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-laxman-selected-kumble-as-coach-while-being-shareholder-in-his-firm-2229527 Edited June 22, 2017 by BeautifulGame GoldenSun, TheWall, Ironhide and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) Kumble originally never applied for the role...Ganguly persuaded him to apply from all accounts. So if he wanted to stick it to Shastri he could have picked any of the other applicants. To say Laxman or even Ganguly had only ulterior motives to pick someone like Kumble is not right...it's downright disgusting....if that is true than there is not a single ex cricketer who is reliable and cares for the game. I hope for the sake of Indian cricket it's not true Edited June 22, 2017 by maniac sandeep, WC2011INDIA and Gollum 3 Link to comment
diga Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: From Express article http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/anil-kumble-virat-kohli-india-coach-palace-intrigue-4715891/ So Sachin picked Shastri as coach , Ganguly because of his feud with Shastri picked Kumble.And thenLaxman who was a business partner of Kumble and who benefits monetarily by any allliviation of Kumble , made the decision to pick Kumble by casting the decisive vote. One can fully understand if Kohli had misgivings about Kumble from the beginning considering the selection process. Kumble maybe a man of integrity during his playing days but sorry he doesn't come across good here.If he was so should have made public his nature of relationship with Laxman before the interview process and Laxman should have stepped down from the committee. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-laxman-selected-kumble-as-coach-while-being-shareholder-in-his-firm-2229527 Did Shastri have any conflict of interest? Its the disclosure thats the problem Rasgulla and sandeep 2 Link to comment
gattaca Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 lol so tendulkar picked shastri. will tendulkar ever pick anyone other than mumbaikar ? isnt this a conflict of interest ? sscomp32, WC2011INDIA, Pollack and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Did Shastri have any conflict of interest? Its the disclosure thats the problem I bet Shastri has a bucket full of them as well.Not just them ,Indian cricket is full of these COI. That's why neither should have been picked. We should have gone for a foreign coach with experience. But no Shastri and Kumble got picked for the final round because they are most influence in BCCI.I mean neither even actually satisfy the criteria set by BCCI initially when it called for coaches application.Yet only they ended up as final picks. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Kumble originally never applied for the role...Ganguly persuaded him to apply from all accounts. So if he wanted to stick it to Shastri he could have picked any of the other applicants. To say Laxman or even Ganguly had only ulterior motives to pick someone like Kumble is not right...it's downright disgusting....if that is true than there is not a single ex cricketer who is reliable and cares for the game. I hope for the sake of Indian cricket it's not true I think the point is missed. Ganguly and VVS may have had geniunely believed Kumble is the best man for the job . But how would Kohli have viewed this? They basically picked their buddy and business partner with zero coaching experience ignoring all his considerations.Acc. to the article Kohli had misgivings about Kumble right from his IPL days. Fine if they believe Shastri is not fit for the job (which I agree as well) then should have gone for a foreign coach with credentials . Considering all these , is it really a surprise Kohli fell out with Kumble quickly . Would Ganguly for ex allowed Gavaskar or Kapil to dictate coaches to him when he was captain ? No .But Kohli was forced to and hence we are in this situation now. Ironhide 1 Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 We need Kumble like bowler. Link to comment
Lannister Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 At least Kumble was a proven performer on the field even though he doesn't have any coaching credentials. What do that drunkard Shastri even have to show? By the same logic, Dhoni shouldn't have been in the team let alone captain the side, because of his obvious link to the crook Srinivasan. Heard he holds shares in the company Srinivasan owns. lol Link to comment
Pollack Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said: I think the point is missed. Ganguly and VVS may have had geniunely believed Kumble is the best man for the job . But how would Kohli have viewed this? They basically picked their buddy and business partner with zero coaching experience ignoring all his considerations.Acc. to the article Kohli had misgivings about Kumble right from his IPL days. Fine if they believe Shastri is not fit for the job (which I agree as well) then should have gone for a foreign coach with credentials . Considering all these , is it really a surprise Kohli fell out with Kumble quickly . Would Ganguly for ex allowed Gavaskar or Kapil to dictate coaches to him when he was captain ? No .But Kohli was forced to and hence we are in this situation now. Kumble has had an impressive interview. He gave a presentation along with roadmap to whatever(lol) which impressed the panel.Haven't you heard of stories where a candidate impressed with his interview rather than resume.Besides players wanted Shastri to continue and frankly saw it coming when kumble was made coach but the way kohli greeted Kumble and welcomed him may be not. Regarding last paragraph Kohli has still not achieved anything of substance to be not 'forced'(Don't know what it even means here) to follow coach. In any case this is so wrong. You are in a way justifying star culture and umprofessionalism. Coach and captain has to work in cooperation even if you are greatest player on the earth.It is part of being professional. Gollum, sandeep, maniac and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Shunya Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Well in a way, we can say Kohli did try to give it a shot with Kumble as Coach. But clearly if given a choice he would have preferred Shastri. On that point, Kohli shown maturity and respect to a legend even though he might not be completely convinced. There is also a possibility that Kohli was trying hard to adjust, but he might have realised with experience that Kumble is more overpowering and it is not worth having silly arguments and quarrels on every issue. It is possible that Kumble also should have adjusted and he might not have with respect to new age players. So Kohli gave his honest feedback and asked for a change. rahulrulezz, GoldenSun and Ironhide 2 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, Pollack said: Kumble has had an impressive interview. He gave a presentation along with roadmap to whatever(lol) which impressed the panel.Haven't you heard of stories where a candidate impressed with his interview rather than resume.Besides players wanted Shastri to continue and frankly saw it coming when kumble was made coach but the way kohli greeted Kumble and welcomed him may be not. Regarding last paragraph Kohli has still not achieved anything of substance to be not 'forced'(Don't know what it even means here) to follow coach. In any case this is so wrong. You are in a way justifying star culture and umprofessionalism. Coach and captain has to work in cooperation even if you are greatest player on the earth.It is part of being professional. You're right that Kohli should have been forced, but unfortunately there is also merit in the view that the captain is the most important person and if he isn't happy the team isn't. The main reason why he should have been forced is because India have been pretty good under kumble. Some kind of compromise should have been reached where by kumble was told to be less "intimidating" and Kohli told to get on with him for the better of the team. Could have been reviewed say after SL tour GoldenSun, sandeep and Pollack 3 Link to comment
kosingh Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 And maybe Virat should not have become captain. Not only because of his volatile personality but also his tactics and strategies, which are quite puzzling. sandeep, GoldenSun and Rasgulla 3 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 but they have picked Kumble with ulterior motives its not the same as picking someone like say Ajay Jadeja ... lol Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Kumble has had an impressive interview. He gave a presentation along with roadmap to whatever(lol) which impressed the panel.Haven't you heard of stories where a candidate impressed with his interview rather than resume.Besides players wanted Shastri to continue and frankly saw it coming when kumble was made coach but the way kohli greeted Kumble and welcomed him may be not. Regarding last paragraph Kohli has still not achieved anything of substance to be not 'forced'(Don't know what it even means here) to follow coach. In any case this is so wrong. You are in a way justifying star culture and umprofessionalism. Coach and captain has to work in cooperation even if you are greatest player on the earth.It is part of being professional. He is forced in the sense ,he already expressed reservation about Kumble being coach still CAC went ahead and appointed . And as a compromise they only gave one year contract to Kumble as against the norm of 2 year contract .These aren't off the record details but something that Ajay Shrike the former BCCI secretary confirmed in his interview. So the question is why couldn't they find a coach that isn't Kumble if Kohli already had reservations ? No one says should have appointed Shastri .But are there no coaches apart from Shastri and Kumble in international cricket.Note that neither are qualified coaches either. How many countries do you see appoint coaches without any experience ? So how would Kohli view this in such scenario.Basically they are appointing their buddy and business partner as his head coach despite his known reservations(and that's going back to his IPL days) against Kumble.That too someone who has zero qualifications. Hence it's not hard to see Kohli having problems right from the start . As for the impressive presentation , seriously then why was Sachin not impressed with it and plugged for Shastri.How hard it is for one to be impressed by PPT when he is a business partner let alone buddies for last 20 years. I am saving give everything Kohli wants and let him dictate the coach he wants .But it should be a primary necessity whoever the coach should not have already issues with the captain.Thats essential otherwise it is a ripe for disaster . It's very unfair Kohli is wholly being blamed for this entire saga when he is the one who actually tried to make it work with someone who had zero credentials for the job he was appointed . Ironhide and Shunya 2 Link to comment
CG Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 He is forced in the sense ,he already expressed reservation about Kumble being coach still CAC went ahead and appointed . And as a compromise they only gave one year contract to Kumble as against the norm of 2 year contract .These aren't off the record details but something that Ajay Shrike the former BCCI secretary confirmed in his interview. So the question is why couldn't they find a coach that isn't Kumble if Kohli already had reservations ? No one says should have appointed Shastri .But are there no coaches apart from Shastri and Kumble in international cricket.Note that neither are qualified coaches either. How many countries do you see appoint coaches without any experience ? So how would Kohli view this in such scenario.Basically they are appointing their buddy and business partner as his head coach despite his known reservations(and that's going back to his IPL days) against Kumble.That too someone who has zero qualifications. Hence it's not hard to see Kohli having problems right from the start . As for the impressive presentation , seriously then why was Sachin not impressed with it and plugged for Shastri.How hard it is for one to be impressed by PPT when he is a business partner let alone buddies for last 20 years. I am saving give everything Kohli wants and let him dictate the coach he wants .But it should be a primary necessity whoever the coach should not have already issues with the captain.Thats essential otherwise it is a ripe for disaster . It's very unfair Kohli is wholly being blamed for this entire saga when he is the one who actually tried to make it work with someone who had zero credentials for the job he was appointed . Lol what are so called credentials than kumble lacks?.He won almost everything and improvement in bowlin,planning has been remarkable.Regarding Cac they have mandate to choose whom they feel best be it their buddy and they were proven right by results .Captain and coach will have problems specially when both have huge Egos. sandeep and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
mishra Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 BTW why Kohli was against Kumble even before his appointment? Rasgulla and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
kosingh Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, mishra said: BTW why Kohli was against Kumble even before his appointment? Because Kohli wanted Shastri or Vettori, and Kohli hates not getting what he wants sandeep and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
mishra Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, kosingh said: Because Kohli wanted Shastri or Vettori, and Kohli hates not getting what he wants WTH. This is beahviour of a toddler. Even grown up kids understand better. Kal bolega oosako Kim Kardashian chahiye to BCCI Kim kardhashian thode na laakar degaa WC2011INDIA, sandeep and GoldenSun 3 Link to comment
kubrickian Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) I think some people are taking this conflict of interest too literally. You just need to trust the person to do the job to the best of his ability without bias. What matters is his credibility and integrity and not what his connections are. If you are going to adhere to conflict of interest that blindly, you wont be left with too many options to do a certain job. For instance, VVS was chosen to pick the coach because of his track record and his character both on and off the field. You have to trust him to do what's right in the best interest of the team and not because of his connections. If you are to go down the path of doubting anyone, you cant trust anyone. What's happening now is some people backing Kohli trying to fling some mud at the other side to make them appear just as bad because Kohli came out as the bad guy in this whole episode. Edited June 22, 2017 by kubrickian diga 1 Link to comment
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