Bumrah needs to be tried in Test matches

[prudent_kreeda]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

You would not say it if you saw Bumrah bowl in 4 day matches in FC.

 

He is much better at planning than Ishant or even Umesh.

    He will be a HIT  in  test crickets also. I have no doubt about it. Watch  Ranji SF   game.

    In recent years ENG , SA did not provide out & out seam pitches but Bouncy pitches with bit of movement .

   He will be very handy in such pitches too.

    Breakdown is the worry . 

    If that happens we would lost a gem in ODI team

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    He will be a HIT  in  test crickets also. I have no doubt about it. Watch  Ranji SF   game.

    In recent years ENG , SA did not provide out & out seam pitches but Bouncy pitches with bit of movement .

   He will be very handy in such pitches too.

    Breakdown is the worry . 

    If that happens we would lost a gem in ODI team

 

We can reduce his workload in general by resting him in bilateral LOI series like this WI tour.

 

Anyway, he won't get to play every test with Umesh and Shami being the leading 2 test pacers.

 

 

[kubrickian]

2 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

Picking wickets in death overs of a T20/ODI match != planning and plotting wickets over multiple sessions in a test match. Restrict Bumrah and the likes to LOIs. We have better pacers for tests.

Just because he has done well in LOIs doesnt mean he is only good at that. He has done well in FC as well. He deserves a chance in tests. Perhaps wont get a chance in the side because Umesh, Shami, Bhuvi will probably be preferred but can play in case they are not fit.

Edited June 24, 2017 by kubrickian

[vvvslaxman]

Pray tell me why. What is his stock ball?  You have to have a repeatable good stock ball to be a half decent test bowler. THat is only a start. Later on you have to master the art of setting up batsmen. Ishant for all his ability to handle the workload never developed as a bowler. Always brainless. He had a great inswinger when his career started. Paceless wonders predictably disappeared. Praveen, UNadkat, Irfan.  Umesh is the  only one showing signs of improvement.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pray tell me why. What is his stock ball?  You have to have a repeatable good stock ball to be a half decent test bowler. THat is only a start. Later on you have to master the art of setting up batsmen. Ishant for all his ability to handle the workload never developed as a bowler. Always brainless. He had a great inswinger when his career started. Paceless wonders predictably disappeared. Praveen, UNadkat, Irfan.  Umesh is the  only one showing signs of improvement.

 

Bumrah's stock ball is good-length, off stump which seams both ways and sometimes bounces a bit extra. He repeats it 4 to 5 times every over. 

[Rightarmfast]

My only concern is his action. He definitely has the pace, and in all probability, he will increase his pace by another 5k's in a year or so if he keeps improving. Do you think he has the variety? It sure will be interesting to find out because he has brains which very few Indian pacers have. 

Although, if one were to go by the Final ODI, in all probability the captain would choose a turning wicket bully spinner over our pacers.

[vvvslaxman]

19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah's stock ball is good-length, off stump which seams both ways and sometimes bounces a bit extra. He repeats it 4 to 5 times every over. 

Don't think he bagged whole lot of wickets with that ball. His one day stock ball is yorker which is why he is even in the squad. Sandeep Sharma has a better stock ball. But he is devoid of pace.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Don't think he bagged whole lot of wickets with that ball. His one day stock ball is yorker which is why he is even in the squad. Sandeep Sharma has a better stock ball. But he is devoid of pace.

Bumrah's bowling style is different in 4 day matches.  You will see if he plays.

 

He bowls to a plan and has a good stock ball.

[wanted_desi]

Would love to have him in test side, maybe not play all the matches but few here and there. Must for SA tour as Sharma won't be taking a wicket. 

 

Shami

Umesh

BK

Kuldeep

Bumrah

 

Have to attack in SA to get the win

[CG]

Bumrah's bowling style is different in 4 day matches.  You will see if he plays.

 

He bowls to a plan and has a good stock ball.

He will be star in test cricket ,he is bowling near 150ks and he has good accuracy and inswing and the one which holds its line will pick him many good batsman .

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, CG said:

He will be star in test cricket ,he is bowling near 150ks and he has good accuracy and inswing and the one which holds its line will pick him many good batsman .

Yes....this combination of  accuracy and  genuine pace has never been that common in international cricket .....which is why he should be tried in tests.

 

Very unlikely to be a failure with a combination of these 2 traits along with a few others  I have outlined earlier.

Edited June 24, 2017 by express bowling

[Sidhoni]

With that action can he consistently bowl longer spells?

[kubrickian]

7 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

With that action can he consistently bowl longer spells?

He has in FC.

 

What works in Bumrah's favor is he seems to be more intelligent than Umesh or Shami, so he will learn quickly. The question mark is his ability to get movement and perhaps whether he can maintain intensity for longer spells. I think if he does well, he should be first choice seamer along with Shami and Umesh in overseas conditions as he ticks off other boxes. 

Edited June 24, 2017 by kubrickian

[Tibarn]

Bumrah has terrific FC numbers. If he repeats his performance again this upcoming season, it will be hard to keep him out. 

[express bowling]

Some posters are worried about whether Bumrah can handle the extra workload of test matches.

 

Thing is, he plays lots of FC matches as he is not included in tests. If he becomes a regular in tests, he won't play other FC games.

 

His total workload won't increase. Infact , if he plays tests then he may get more breaks in less important LOI series, like the current one.

 

Injuries can happen to any fast bowler and can happen to Bumrah whether he plays tests or not.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2017 by express bowling

[Vijy]

Concerned about his fitness and match attitude more than his "skills" per se. Would like to see Siraj in A tours, and if he does well, in the Indian team at some point.

[express bowling]

13 hours ago, kubrickian said:

and perhaps whether he can maintain intensity for longer spells. 

I would watch out for this aspect too.

[Vijy]

On 6/25/2017 at 4:14 AM, express bowling said:

I would watch out for this aspect too.

True.

[cricketfan28]

agreed. he can remove the tail quickly. 

Our "Phaaast" bowlers always struggled at that.

[Vijy]

Just now, cricketfan28 said:

agreed. he can remove the tail quickly. 

Our "Phaaast" bowlers always struggled at that.

On home pitches, our spinners are good enough to eliminate the tail. And abroad, these days we struggle to even make inroads into lower order - the most recent Oz tour is a good example.