Bumrah needs to be tried in Test matches

[Cricketics]

Don't mind trying. I mean any bowler who has played so much cricket for India and in Ranji can surely improve and be handy once given a proper chance.

 

Though I would like to see Aniket first because he brings that left arm wxperience and variety to the squad.

 

Btw, who do you want to play Bumrah for when we play just two bowlers?

 

Ideally if we pick three seamers on some seamer friendly track, then I won't mind trying then.

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Don't mind trying. I mean any bowler who has played so much cricket for India and in Ranji can surely improve and be handy once given a proper chance.

 

Though I would like to see Aniket first because he brings that left arm wxperience and variety to the squad.

 

Btw, who do you want to play Bumrah for when we play just two bowlers?

 

Ideally if we pick three seamers on some seamer friendly track, then I won't mind trying then.

 

On flat pitches: Umesh; On pitches with seam/swing: Bhuvi; other pitches - Shami

[Laaloo]

Umesh

Shami

Bumrah

Kuldeep

 

[sarcastic]

On 6/24/2017 at 8:13 AM, express bowling said:

 

Umesh, Shami and Bumrah if we play 3 fast bowlers.

 

Umesh and Bumrah if Shami is not fully fit.

Shami is always injured. I will rely on Ishant Sharma than a completely different bowler like Bumrah. 

Remember, Malinga was not as good a test bowler too as compared to say Chaminda Vaas (who is more like Ishant). 

[renjith]

Watched him live in one first class match 4-5 months back. Can't remember which tournament. Unfortunately he was trundling at low 130s and looked not much interested. Am not saying he will be a failure in tests but it's better not to put too high expectation.

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Shami is always injured. I will rely on Ishant Sharma than a completely different bowler like Bumrah. 

Remember, Malinga was not as good a test bowler too as compared to say Chaminda Vaas (who is more like Ishant). 

Vaas was nothing like Ishant either in terms of bowling style of effectiveness - it's an insult to him to be in the same sentence as Ishant.

[express bowling]

Here is a Youtube video of Bumrah bowling.

 

Although this is a List A game, the match situation was sort of like a test match where the batsmen were mostly trying to preserve their wickets in a low scoring innings.

 

Hence, I am posting it.

 

Bumrah is getting movement and bowling in good areas, along with his natural pace and bounce.

 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Here is a Youtube video of Bumrah bowling.

 

Although this is a List A game, the match situation was sort of like a test match where the batsmen were mostly trying to preserve their wickets in a low scoring innings.

 

Hence, I am posting it.

 

Bumrah is getting movement and bowling in good areas, along with his natural pace and bounce.

 

 

 

 

In a List A he has to bowl only 10 overs (at most). On a bad day in Tests, he may have to bowl 20+; I don't know if he is capable of doing that while retaining intensity.

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, Vijy said:

In a List A he has to bowl only 10 overs (at most). On a bad day in Tests, he may have to bowl 20+; I don't know if he is capable of doing that while retaining intensity.

I posted this video to showcase the attacking, wicket-taking areas he was bowling during a time of the match when he was not being attacked by the batters. ( a test match-like situation ).

 

Intensity is a different issue but he has run through sides in Ranji matches, most recently the knock-out match against Jharkhand.... so why do you think he won't be able to  ?

Edited June 28, 2017 by express bowling

[sarcastic]

14 hours ago, Vijy said:

Vaas was nothing like Ishant either in terms of bowling style of effectiveness - it's an insult to him to be in the same sentence as Ishant.

Well, I compared Malinga to Vaas and not Vaas to Ishant. 

Ishant is like Vaas in the sense that he is a hit-the-deck kind of bowler and also Ishant gets a lot of bounce to trouble the batsman. Surely, he is not as intelligent as Vaas or lot of other bowlers who did well in internationals, he is surely one of the best we have had for many years since he troubled Ponting in that famous tour of 2008. 

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I posted this video to showcase the attacking, wicket-taking areas he was bowling during a time of the match when he was not being attacked by the batters. ( a test match-like situation ).

 

Intensity is a different issue but he has run through sides in Ranji matches, most recently the knock-out match against Jharkhand.... so why do you think he won't be able to  ?

Because there's a diff between 4 day and 5 day cricket (even if it's subtle) and obviously there will be a diff in class; it's easier to maintain intensity when things are going relatively well.

 

Having said that, the simpler answer is that one doesn't know - I'd certainly like to see him get a few chances in Tests.

[Vijy]

15 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

Well, I compared Malinga to Vaas and not Vaas to Ishant. 

Ishant is like Vaas in the sense that he is a hit-the-deck kind of bowler and also Ishant gets a lot of bounce to trouble the batsman. Surely, he is not as intelligent as Vaas or lot of other bowlers who did well in internationals, he is surely one of the best we have had for many years since he troubled Ponting in that famous tour of 2008. 

I don't really agree. He has improved to an extent in the past 2 years, but he was always too one-dimensional, etc. I dont buy the theory that he has been "unlucky" for so many years.

[express bowling]

57 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Because there's a diff between 4 day and 5 day cricket (even if it's subtle) and obviously there will be a diff in class; it's easier to maintain intensity when things are going relatively well.

 

 

This applies to every new debutant in test matches.

 

However, the match against Jharkhand was a 5 day match   : )

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

This applies to every new debutant in test matches.

 

However, the match against Jharkhand was a 5 day match   : )

True. anyway, I am advocating his inclusion as well. He is not "just" an ODI and T20 specialist.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Nope, not in favour of it atleast for next few years not at all

 

1. I have been wanting that bowler shud be given seprate formats so they can concentrate on n excel on it . Like umesh , shami shud forget about t20, Ishant, Aaron LOI , 

2. For me his biggest strength till now is his mystery , still batsman something awkward in his action ....so i dnt want him on SA, Aus tour playing test and batsman getting use to him and then there comes ODI series n we have nothing new to offer. For me his 1st tes wud be within a year or two when teams start to pick him n have plans against him....and hence like every cricketer he ll have his challenge . I Dnt want that stage to come soon

3. Still not convinced with his new ball bowling

4. When we have talent like NAthu, aniket, Avesh,thakur new others waiting in the wing why bumrah.....i wud have still been in favour had there been a dearth of talent. Avesh n Nathu look better match winners to me in test .......

5. Playing all formats will somewere take its toll and as i said its time we choose bowlers for particular format so we can get better out of them. Had we done this with aaron and told him to just stick to red ball cricket he cud have been in much better position. Even ishant shud have done the same after some point. As holding said in one interview bowlers in past had few games so they gave their best 

 

 

[Vijy]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Nope, not in favour of it atleast for next few years not at all

 

1. I have been wanting that bowler shud be given seprate formats so they can concentrate on n excel on it . Like umesh , shami shud forget about t20, Ishant, Aaron LOI , 

2. For me his biggest strength till now is his mystery , still batsman something awkward in his action ....so i dnt want him on SA, Aus tour playing test and batsman getting use to him and then there comes ODI series n we have nothing new to offer. For me his 1st tes wud be within a year or two when teams start to pick him n have plans against him....and hence like every cricketer he ll have his challenge . I Dnt want that stage to come soon

3. Still not convinced with his new ball bowling

4. When we have talent like NAthu, aniket, Avesh,thakur new others waiting in the wing why bumrah.....i wud have still been in favour had there been a dearth of talent. Avesh n Nathu look better match winners to me in test .......

5. Playing all formats will somewere take its toll and as i said its time we choose bowlers for particular format so we can get better out of them. Had we done this with aaron and told him to just stick to red ball cricket he cud have been in much better position. Even ishant shud have done the same after some point. As holding said in one interview bowlers in past had few games so they gave their best 

 

 

If he is going to rely only on mystery, then he will disappear sooner/later. I don't think Bumrah is only a mystery bowler, and hence should have some chances in long formats. Nathu Singh is very raw, should start off in shorter formats first. Avesh is even more inexperienced. Aniket is a possibility.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Vijy said:

If he is going to rely only on mystery, then he will disappear sooner/later. I don't think Bumrah is only a mystery bowler, and hence should have some chances in long formats. Nathu Singh is very raw, should start off in shorter formats first. Avesh is even more inexperienced. Aniket is a possibility.

M not saying its his reliance but its his strength .......and every crickter wil face a challenge in his 2nd phase when teams will come up with a plave against him.

M not saying he is only a mystery bowler but there is some unusual element which is still kind of mystery 

 

Dnt buy that inexperienced argument with fast bowler, fast bowler can work when they are new n raw n has in past......maturity comes in more handy with spinners n batsman ( again not a 100% scenario)

 

Overseas tours are coming and u need match winning bowlers n avesh n nathu looks like ones.........

About inexp that were u have to take these guys on A-tours n give them as much exp as possible. M sure this wnt happen in case of avesh........but look at his bowling and u knw the length he bowls the bounce he gets he ll have top batsman in trouble 

 

Atleast its high time we take nathu on A-tour

 

Short formats are lil harsher on bowlers , Format shud be choosen acc to fitness n skill. Someone like Sran doesnt have fitness for long format....or someone like aniket lacks variation for shorter formats. 

 

If we have to win overseas we need match winning bowlers and good stock of backup. 

[Vijy]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

M not saying its his reliance but its his strength .......and every crickter wil face a challenge in his 2nd phase when teams will come up with a plave against him.

M not saying he is only a mystery bowler but there is some unusual element which is still kind of mystery 

 

Dnt buy that inexperienced argument with fast bowler, fast bowler can work when they are new n raw n has in past......maturity comes in more handy with spinners n batsman ( again not a 100% scenario)

 

Overseas tours are coming and u need match winning bowlers n avesh n nathu looks like ones.........

About inexp that were u have to take these guys on A-tours n give them as much exp as possible. M sure this wnt happen in case of avesh........but look at his bowling and u knw the length he bowls the bounce he gets he ll have top batsman in trouble 

 

Atleast its high time we take nathu on A-tour

 

Short formats are lil harsher on bowlers , Format shud be choosen acc to fitness n skill. Someone like Sran doesnt have fitness for long format....or someone like aniket lacks variation for shorter formats. 

 

If we have to win overseas we need match winning bowlers and good stock of backup. 

Nathu should go on A tours. The reason I mentioned short formats for him is that his domestic record (and IPL to an extent) indicates he is capable of handling them. It's a way of easing him into longer formats - kind of like what Eng is doing with Tom Curry (Curran) and Mason Stork (Crane).

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Nope, not in favour of it atleast for next few years not at all

 

1. I have been wanting that bowler shud be given seprate formats so they can concentrate on n excel on it . Like umesh , shami shud forget about t20, Ishant, Aaron LOI , 

Format-specific players may sound good in theory but it takes a toll on most players..... they want to play test matches without which they do not get the pedigree.... if they are left out of ODIs they miss the WC and CT.....if they do not play T20s, they do not earn big money.

 

They want to become stars and no-one can deny them that if they perform. Otherwise, they get frustrated.

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2. For me his biggest strength till now is his mystery , still batsman something awkward in his action ....so i dnt want him on SA, Aus tour playing test and batsman getting use to him and then there comes ODI series n we have nothing new to offer. For me his 1st tes wud be within a year or two when teams start to pick him n have plans against him....and hence like every cricketer he ll have his challenge . I Dnt want that stage to come soon

There is no mystery in his bowling..... he is not a spinner. Whatever novelty was there in his action is all gone due to IPL and LOis.

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3. Still not convinced with his new ball bowling

test matches involve a lot more bowling with the older ball.

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4. When we have talent like NAthu, aniket, Avesh,thakur new others waiting in the wing why bumrah.....i wud have still been in favour had there been a dearth of talent. Avesh n Nathu look better match winners to me in test .......

Nathu has not done well in FC, he is not yet ready for tests. He needs to last a full Ranji season first and looks ok for LOIs as of now.

Avesh is not even in his Ranji team

Thakur provides no variety to our current attack....he is a shorter right-armed skiddy bowler like most other Indian pacers. 

 

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5. Playing all formats will somewere take its toll and as i said its time we choose bowlers for particular format so we can get better out of them. Had we done this with aaron and told him to just stick to red ball cricket he cud have been in much better position. Even ishant shud have done the same after some point. As holding said in one interview bowlers in past had few games so they gave their best 

 

Taking toll on bowlers can be avoided by rotating them.... like Bumrah has been rested for the WI series.

Not taking him in tests would not help as he would play innumerable Ranji matches which are strenuous.  

He is already playing Ranji with a lot of effort and intensity .... because he wants to play tests.... and is not focusing on the shorter formats exclusively.

Edited June 28, 2017 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Nathu should go on A tours. The reason I mentioned short formats for him is that his domestic record (and IPL to an extent) indicates he is capable of handling them. It's a way of easing him into longer formats - kind of like what Eng is doing with Tom Curry (Curran) and Mason Stork (Crane).

He looks an all format bowler, chance do kahin bhi do.....atleast we ll know what he is all about at international scene

Bowlers are diff so examples can vary......

NAthu looks like a complete bowler so im up for giving him chances anywere but come overseas tour we need a complete bowler n match winner like him if we have to win their