randomGuy Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) Also, Hindi grows naturally, whether you like it or not....it only practical, most widely spoken language (n a very rich lang. ) will get more and more speakers. People learn it as it's useful for them. Edited June 26, 2017 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: English - global language...Must learn. Hindi - Pan-India language, Indian language ....again, must learn. As I said 95%+ indians can speak basic Hindi, add pak., BD, nepal etc. You get approx. 25% of humanity that speaks basic Hindi. Nope not necessary. HindI is one of the national language. You can learn any number of them as one pleases but primarily one needs English to communicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Vilander said: Hindi is one of the national languages. Everyone should learn English so that they can communicate well. There is no national language.this is plain nationalism through language and I think We will have a big backlash from the south. Tendu_10 and rageaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, cowboysfan said: There is no national language.this is plain nationalism through language and I think We will have a big backlash from the south. There are 16 national languages in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: Also, Hindi grows naturally, whether you like it or not....it only practical, most widely spoken language (n a very rich lang. ) will get more and more speakers. People learn it as it's useful for them. No thanks.we need to preserve the Dravidian languages.there is no reason for Hindi signs in Bangalore at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Vilander said: There are 16 national languages in India. Official languages.it's in the constitution I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, cowboysfan said: Official languages.it's in the constitution I believe. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, Vilander said: Yes. It means states can use any language they want for official reasons, some Babu in Delhi dictating the language of signs in Bangalore is preposterous. Vilander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vilander said: Nope not necessary. HindI is one of the national language. You can learn any number of them as one pleases but primarily one needs English to communicate. Chalo let's disagree..I meant that that's an opinion. If I am Tamil, Hindi would be a must learn for me....not for you, that's fine. English again, a must learn. Only to be used for transactional purposes. I am seeing Indian YouTube standup comedians popping up these days...who are non-native English speakers but they do comedy in English....very rarely funny...the comedian and the audience (who come n laugh) seem miserable , I think these setups are made sub-consciously to impress the native English speaker who may come across the video on YouTube.... miserable miserable miserable. So learn n speak English wherever necessary. But never show any emotion (angry, joking, excited etc. ) while speaking it. You will look extremely lame as an Indian. Even more so being an Indian male coz indian females look ok sometimes doing it( showing emotion while speaking English) Edited June 27, 2017 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 10 hours ago, randomGuy said: Chalo let's disagree..I meant that that's an opinion. If I am Tamil, Hindi would be a must learn for me....not for you, that's fine. English again, a must learn. Only to be used for transactional purposes. I am seeing Indian YouTube standup comedians popping up these days...who are non-native English speakers but they do comedy in English....very rarely funny...the comedian and the audience (who come n laugh) seem miserable , I think these setups are made sub-consciously to impress the native English speaker who may come across the video on YouTube.... miserable miserable miserable. So learn n speak English wherever necessary. But never show any emotion (angry, joking, excited etc. ) while speaking it. You will look extremely lame as an Indian. Even more so being an Indian male coz indian females look ok sometimes doing it( showing emotion while speaking English) Nope its not must learn at all. Not used in many states and is one of the national languages, i have a leaning towards 'Ao' i think its a must learn for you it drastically needs more patronage why dont you consider it instead ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 11 hours ago, cowboysfan said: It means states can use any language they want for official reasons, some Babu in Delhi dictating the language of signs in Bangalore is preposterous. absolutely, this is what lead to the infamous tamil affair in 60s.. Now this is being seen in KA and other southern states, the moment there is a degree of linguistic identity, center tends to try to impose Hindi. I think we have English as a national integrator in language, do not need Hindi now, let it stay a regional language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Well, if Naidu said English is global language and needs to be learned, there would be no controversy. But just because it's one of own things, we start to indulge in some infighting. These are petty issues. When our students are learning French, Spanish for apparently no practical reason, surely it makes more sense to learn Hindi instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, someone said: Well, if Naidu said English is global language and needs to be learned, there would be no controversy. But just because it's one of own things, we start to indulge in some infighting. These are petty issues. When our students are learning French, Spanish for apparently no practical reason, surely it makes more sense to learn Hindi instead. Hindi is one of the national languages, Santhali is an other national language. Its important to learn Santhali.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 0:49 PM, zen said: If the idea is that one has the right to speak in whatever lang one wishes to, it is not apples vs oranges. Additionally, Hindi is one of the two official union government languages. It is also the one representing the native languages in the union govt, so there is nothing wrong in promoting Hindi Promoting Hindi does not equate to other native languages being banned. Learning additional languages is always useful Though, Hindi is not my mother tongue. I do rate it as first among equals considering how widely it is spoken / understood in Ind India has common law as you know it. So guj high court ruling on this matter stays as of now. India does not have any national language it has 22 scheduled languages which are all equal. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Theres-no-national-language-in-India-Gujarat-High-Court/articleshow/5496231.cms Muloghonto and The Dark Horse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 6/27/2017 at 11:40 PM, Vilander said: Hindi is one of the national languages, Santhali is an other national language. Its important to learn Santhali.. Take Gujarati for an example. People learn it in their state and also Hindi. Our own PM knows both yet uses Hindi more. They don't feel intimated or oppressed by Hindi. So what is so special about South India that they go crazy when it comes to Hindi? None of other India parts feel get so offended. If they are so over-protective about their local stuffs, where is their protest against English??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 31 minutes ago, someone said: Take Gujarati for an example. People learn it in their state and also Hindi. Our own PM knows both yet uses Hindi more. They don't feel intimated or oppressed by Hindi. So what is so special about South India that they go crazy when it comes to Hindi? None of other India parts feel get so offended. If they are so over-protective about their local stuffs, where is their protest against English??? Nope nothing against Hindi many know it well including me. The issue is imposition it's just a legality Hindi is nothing special it's just like Assamese or Santhali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Vilander said: Nope nothing against Hindi many know it well including me. The issue is imposition it's just a legality Hindi is nothing special it's just like Assamese or Santhali. That you are in minority. Majority of the complaints are against seeing anything Hindi.. Hindi is no different than English, if English is learned without any protest in schools, why not Hindi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, someone said: That you are in minority. Majority of the complaints are against seeing anything Hindi.. Hindi is no different than English, if English is learned without any protest in schools, why not Hindi? nope English is an integrating language for South and North used by everyone. Hindi is a north Indian regional language sorry. Legalities apply. Check the previous post of mine for guj HC ruling. Its English and one of the official languages across India North India is free to try learning any south Indian language as free as south is to learn Assamese or bengali or Hindi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieFan Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Hindi can be learnt as a third language in non-Hindi belt states provided in Hindi belt states they learn one South Indian language as a third language. Today, all people in the Hindi-belt states are mono.linguists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, RookieFan said: Hindi can be learnt as a third language in non-Hindi belt states provided in Hindi belt states they learn one South Indian language as a third language. Today, all people in the Hindi-belt states are mono.linguists. May be south India can adopt telugu/Kannada script and create a common language ( telugu has unique words other three have same word groups), basically going back to the proto language. That would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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