Kuldeep Yadav vs Ashwin Ravichandran in ODIs

[Tibarn]

Chahal has a lot of experience and a good record in the IPL, in that tiny Bangalore stadium where spinners get wrecked.

 

Kuldeep is a supremely unique.

 

We should be looking to have both of them in the playing XI IMO over Ashwin + Jadeja. Neither of these two take enough wickets.  

[Vijy]

Chahal and Kuldeep can both play - they are wrist-spinners and right arm leg and left arm "off". If necessary, Fatty Mishra should be the backup. Both Ashwin and Jaddu are quite ordinary ODI bowlers.

[Pollack]

15 hours ago, sandeep said:

Based on what?  Because you enjoy how the word "chinaman" rolls off the tongue?  

 

Chahal > Kuldeep.  Put that in your pollack and smoke it.  :P

Chahal : Bowls line to line. Has lesser turn. Slightly flatter. Bowls faster.Defensive.

Kuldeep : Slower, more turn, flight, more attacking, flexibility to experiment.

Always prefer later. Yes. Chinaman sounds cool .

 

 

[JaFanatic]

Poor man Mishra is totally forgotten  

[renjith]

4 hours ago, Pollack said:

Chahal : Bowls line to line. Has lesser turn. Slightly flatter. Bowls faster.Defensive.

Kuldeep : Slower, more turn, flight, more attacking, flexibility to experiment.

Always prefer later. Yes. Chinaman sounds cool .

 

 

We should play both. As of now it's hard to say who is better. We will be able to judge after they play 20-25 games for India. 

Edited June 27, 2017 by renjith

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, JaFanatic said:

Poor man Mishra is totally forgotten  

Probably because of his "fielding" (although Ashwin is as bad).

[sandeep]

11 hours ago, JaFanatic said:

Poor man Mishra is totally forgotten  

Was buried in Rajkot.

[fineleg]

So, is it safe to say R Ashwin LoI and T20 career coming to an end, still cannot completely rule out. But I think the youngsters will make it very difficult for him to get back to Indian team? Thankfully selectors rested him and gave chances to youngsters. R. Jadeja will still be avail in squad I think. (fielding superior)

Edited October 7, 2017 by fineleg

[Vilander]

Ashwin will pass the batton on to Kuldeep at some point i think everyone knows and expects this now.

[Gollum]

Ashwin should stick to test cricket. He is invaluable in that format. Hope he preserves his body and plays till the age of 37-38. Look at Herath for example. 

[vvvslaxman]

Let us face it. Offies can easily be picked regardless of any format. But if you got a leggie/chinaman in rythm i would take him every day. it is very hard to defend your way out compared to offie or also hit your way out.  Wrist spin grips the surface better than finger spin. So hacks will be exposed more easily by a leggie than an offie.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Ashwin should stick to test cricket. He is invaluable in that format. Hope he preserves his body and plays till the age of 37-38. Look at Herath for example. 

herath is nearly 40. I dont think Ashwin has the fitness or mental hunger to play till then.

[Gollum]

11 hours ago, Vijy said:

herath is nearly 40. I dont think Ashwin has the fitness or mental hunger to play till then.

Even Herath doesn't have the fitness, Ash looks like a lean mean machine compared to the Lankan great. Regarding mental hunger, how would we know? He went and played county cricket, is playing domestics now. Clearly he has some ambition for the longer format. 

[Muloghonto]

On 6/25/2017 at 11:57 PM, Sandeep99 said:

I'd go on and play Kuldeep and Chahal as the two spinners. Both are wicket takers. Ashwin and Jadeja were more suited to Dhoni's style where he looked for batsman to make mistakes. Kuldeep and Chahal will suit Kohli, considering he's looking for break throughs.

Nobody takes nearly 300 test wickets, at <25 average and 5 wickets/match rate, without bowling six good balls in a row.

Ashwin's problem is, he CAN bowl six good balls in a row, not six variations in a row. The former gets u wickets in test cricket. the latter, in ODIs these days.

You bowl 6 perfect balls on good length- expect the 5th and 6th ball to disappear over the fence.

 

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Even Herath doesn't have the fitness, Ash looks like a lean mean machine compared to the Lankan great. Regarding mental hunger, how would we know? He went and played county cricket, is playing domestics now. Clearly he has some ambition for the longer format. 

let's hope so.

[sensible-indian]

2010 Ashwin was a gun LOI bowler.

 

Would you believe he was man of the tournament (Champions League) held in SA. Was in gun form in WC 2011. And the IPL that came after it.

 

Those were the days if you hit him for a six, he would get you out next ball. Scarcely believable now, isn't it?

 

If Ash has to make a comeback, he has to go back to the 2010 LOI version. Bowl 6 deliveries in good length consecutively. He had been sucking in IPL for far too long and not rectifying his errors and eventually it all caught up to him.

 

Here's what he has to say about his snub - http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/i-am-not-desperate-at-all-r-ashwin/article19824294.ece

 

Let's see what he does from here.

 

Kuldeep is pure talent. Sky is the limit for him. Love his flight and attacking lines. Let's see how he goes from here.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

2010 Ashwin was a gun LOI bowler.

 

Would you believe he was man of the tournament (Champions League) held in SA. Was in gun form in WC 2011. And the IPL that came after it.

 

Those were the days if you hit him for a six, he would get you out next ball. Scarcely believable now, isn't it?

 

If Ash has to make a comeback, he has to go back to the 2010 LOI version. Bowl 6 deliveries in good length consecutively. He had been sucking in IPL for far too long and not rectifying his errors and eventually it all caught up to him.

 

Here's what he has to say about his snub - http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/i-am-not-desperate-at-all-r-ashwin/article19824294.ece

 

Let's see what he does from here.

 

Kuldeep is pure talent. Sky is the limit for him. Love his flight and attacking lines. Let's see how he goes from here.

Although Kuldeep is a rare talent, it remains to be seen what plans batsmen come up against him and how he counters them.

[sensible-indian]

12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Nobody takes nearly 300 test wickets, at <25 average and 5 wickets/match rate, without bowling six good balls in a row.

Ashwin's problem is, he CAN bowl six good balls in a row, not six variations in a row. The former gets u wickets in test cricket. the latter, in ODIs these days.

You bowl 6 perfect balls on good length- expect the 5th and 6th ball to disappear over the fence.

 

You may have forgotten what 2010 Ashwin did.

 

He was relentless.

 

Current Ashwin is more skilled in tests but he simply is unable to bowl 6 deliveries in perfect good length. He simply can't bowl that over to Dhawan that he did in IPL 2010 finals. That's what he has to practice.

Edited October 8, 2017 by sensible-indian

[Muloghonto]

Just now, sensible-indian said:

You may have forgotten what 2010 Ashwin could do.

 

He was relentless.

 

Current Ashwin is more skilled in tests but he simply is unable to bowl 6 deliveries in perfect good length. That's what he has to practice.

No, in 2010, Ashwin was the 'six variations in an over' kinda guy. Which is why he got clobbered by patient batsmen in tests. Then he matured into the classic test bowler who can bowl six of the same balls on a perfect dime to relentlessly attack/bottle up a batsman. 

That approach no longer works in ODIs, where even if you bowled six balls on the same exact 'bad spot' for the said batsman, the 5th/6th ball will disappear over the boundary.

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

No, in 2010, Ashwin was the 'six variations in an over' kinda guy. Which is why he got clobbered by patient batsmen in tests. Then he matured into the classic test bowler who can bowl six of the same balls on a perfect dime to relentlessly attack/bottle up a batsman. 

That approach no longer works in ODIs, where even if you bowled six balls on the same exact 'bad spot' for the said batsman, the 5th/6th ball will disappear over the boundary.

 

this has been my impression too. he has focused more on his stock ball and became more effective in tests... I believe that his low point in Tests came in SA (Jo'burg). During the earlier stages of his career, he was more of a "mystery" bowler who relied more on variations. However, in the last 2 years, he has become more orthodox. As a result, his ODI record has suffered since he has not shown the adaptability between diff. formats (same failing with Jaddu too) unlike Kuldeep.