Popular Post maniac Posted July 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) This is how it should work within the cricketing management system Selectors-Pick the best 15 available. Analyze the performance of existing players. Give more chances,drop or reward based on performance. Fill the gaps with domestic performers or identify talent who can be the future of the country. Jadhav,Kuldeep,Pant,Pandya,Bumrah,Chahal,Thakur,Karun Nair,Manish Pandey,Mukund-Yes Selectors have done well here as all of them have gotten a shot to be in the indian side in recent times Yuvraj-,Karthik,Nehra,Gambhir- Backward step The rest pick themselves even though question marks arise on Jadeja,Ashwin,Rahane etc. only in LOI format but even then those are debatable but not entirely out of the blue as they are the best players for us in tests. Coach- The coach decides the team combo in a perfect world atleast that is what the coach should be for. We can blame some of the X1's that have been played in recent times on the coach as I believe Coach is responsible for everything that happens after the selection process- From selection to right until the toss happens it is the coach's domain after which captain is the king and should be the king but.......... We don't have a coach anymore That leaves us with only 1 king of the jungle- The captain. Let us put aside rumors like Kohli wanted to play Mishra over Kuldeep in the Aus test or how he over rode Kumble's decision to bat first against Pak because there is no concrete evidence.........but right now with what is going on in the WI tour, clearly there is only 1 boss who is in charge. Jury is out on how the captain has managed his side and on his on- field decisions-so you tell me-Isn't Kohli to be blamed here? Basic cricket 101. Selector picks the best 15-rate how they have done. Coach-Plays the best x1 within that 15 Captain-Gets the best out of that X1 that is picked in the end. Isn't that how it is supposed to work? Right now we have no coach and selectors have done a half-assed job but still they got some selections right if not most. So what is the captain doing? If he is getting influenced by seniors than that is not a valid excuse,in fact that makes it even worse about his leadership. Is Kohli really the guy to lead us to promised land as we once believed? I still hope so,but so far not promising Discuss Edited July 3, 2017 by maniac SecondSlip, Laaloo, tweaker and 7 others 10 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket as a captain. He is the worst captain for India, i know records are good but whenever you look at the decisions he make, it look like he got no idea what he is doing. He goes missing when things dont go according to his plans. He is too damn emotional when on the field. He is too in his shell and needs to be replaced by someone who can manage the team and take Indian cricket forward. You can do it now, or you will be forced to do it after first round exit from World Cup. Temujin Khaghan, sandeep, sscomp32 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 Also just to be clear I want people to differentiate between Kohli the batsman and Kohli the leader....After Sachin,if any batsman for me personally has come close to replicate the belief that impossible can happen,it is kohli but as a leader,he has been a let down. Yes Sachin was a bad captain, not bad in terms of reading the game. some things he gets blamed for where out of his control but when as a leader you can't control certain things,that is exactly what you get blamed for in the first place.Hope that makes sense. That is the reason why Sachin was a bad leader on the field as he couldn't control some elements which he should have. Same with Kohli....either you are too meek or too arrogant,2 ends of the spectrum but still the result is the same ineffective and ineffiient sandeep 1 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I am sure dhoni and kohli would be cursing the IPL now. thanks to that, everyone is aware of the potential talent in players who are yet to debut. they cannot keep delaying Rishab pant's debut like this for long. Ironhide 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Kohli has seriously disappointed with his favouritism. Okay let's be fair every captain has his favourites but the choice of his favourites is ridiculous. Rahane, Yuvraj in ODIs and Rohit in tests. Also his tribute or thankfulness to seniors by not giving youngsters a chance and securing OLDies place in the team. Under_Score 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Very happy with Kohli the test captain. But he has been a disappointing captain in LOI's for making shitty selections in the playing 11. He is going too far in backing his buddies and experienced oldies. speedheat, Lannister, Laaloo and 4 others 7 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 kohli is one major reason but everything around is not very promising: rohit is assured of his opening slot he is a pathetic choice for an opener rahane is rohits backup,sone pe suhaga dhoni will keep flopping in cghaes he doesnt have the ability anymore,let alone anyone else atleast he sould realise it now yuvi,this guy keeps coming back in last 4-5 years,plays one good innings and then gets stuck in the team till he is booted out again,that he was brought back again shows reluctance to move on jadhav has been made no 6 batsman and pandya no.7,why they should always play under pressure jadeja is our all rounder,i dont know how he is cven rated as an all rounder,this should be it for him,he has not shown improvement in last decade ashwin,this guy bowls with a new action every game ,this kind of buffonery should not be tolerated we should finally decide who are three seamers who we should back till 2019 wc i would say ,these final semi final performances have been biggest hurdle for our side,everything is forgotten and root couse of these defeats are not looked at. Ankit_sharma03, Zero_Unit, tweaker and 1 other 4 Link to comment
PSB_Zone Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 58 minutes ago, wanted_desi said: Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket as a captain. He is the worst captain for India, i know records are good but whenever you look at the decisions he make, it look like he got no idea what he is doing. He goes missing when things dont go according to his plans. He is too damn emotional when on the field. He is too in his shell and needs to be replaced by someone who can manage the team and take Indian cricket forward. You can do it now, or you will be forced to do it after first round exit from World Cup. When I look at this team now , Even rohit Sharma will be a much better captain. Atleast he feels the defeat and changes as we hv seen with MI. This kohli is Numb and clueless.. Sadly no other captaincy material in this team as of now. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 This is why Dhoni needs to go. If Kohli is not a good captain then we need to figure out and make changes before the next world cup. We don't even know who is the captain on the field sometimes. But we do know that when the team is going well, dhoni is at the centre stage and taking all the credit and when things are going bad, he's nowhere to be seen. Lannister, Ironhide, sandeep and 8 others 7 4 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Praggy said: This is why Dhoni needs to go. If Kohli is not a good captain then we need to figure out and make changes before the next world cup. We don't even know who is the captain on the field sometimes. But we do know that when the team is going well, dhoni is at the centre stage and taking all the credit and when things are going bad, he's nowhere to be seen. dhoni should be booted out but you are clutching at straws to defend kohli the captain Link to comment
speedheat Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I lost all hopes from kohli and got the glimpse of his clueless ness when he selected ashwin over shami in CT final, he has been a big let down in los with his shitty selection, also some cunning oldies are misguiding him!! sandeep, Laaloo, maniac and 1 other 4 Link to comment
sergio04 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 virat odi captainicy will start when dhoni retires. till then enjoy batting of bunch of selfish players who plays for stats New guy and Forever Indian 1 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SK_IH said: dhoni should be booted out but you are clutching at straws to defend kohli the captain 2 hours ago, wanted_desi said: Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket as a captain. He is the worst captain for India, i know records are good but whenever you look at the decisions he make, it look like he got no idea what he is doing. He goes missing when things dont go according to his plans. He is too damn emotional when on the field. He is too in his shell and needs to be replaced by someone who can manage the team and take Indian cricket forward. You can do it now, or you will be forced to do it after first round exit from World Cup. Surprisingly this doesn't happen in tests under Kohli. I have a feeling once dhoni is gone Kohli will be his own man and take tough decisions express bowling, Laaloo, Cricketics and 3 others 6 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, New guy said: Surprisingly this doesn't happen in tests under Kohli. I have a feeling once dhoni is gone Kohli will be his own man and take tough decisions virat has done nothing in tests to suggest he will be different in odis,anyways i dont believe in this theory of co-relating kohlis faults with dhoni being there dhoni forcing him to play kartik?,dhoni forcing him to play rahane as opener in all 5 games?,dhoni forcing him to play yuvi? virat has taken no tough decision in test matches,i dont know what you all people talk about,which tough decisions are you talking about,can you tell? Rasgulla, SecondSlip and sandeep 3 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 i ll see a tough decision once he drops ishant and not be so kind to rohit as he is,that will start of taking some tough decisions Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 2019 WC is looking very dim with Kohli as the captain. Love him as a player, hate his captaincy and all the extra emotional craps Edited July 3, 2017 by Zero_Unit Link to comment
cric_fan Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Is Kohli the right person for the job? I don't know. Maybe not. Link to comment
The Realist Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I think this team has peaked, the last couple of years will probably be the best of the Kohli years. An ageing team with the door firmly slammed in the faces of young players, favouritism, a captain whose power has gone to his head, dated tactics, spineless selections and no future vision or strategy all mean a period of decline is coming. Its just a question of how low it will go & how long it will last. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 57 minutes ago, sarchasm said: I am a big critic of Dhoni the test player and captain but in his initial years in ODIs, he pretty much set the example of what tough decision making entails. Dumped Ganguly and Dravid like TRASH. Got the youngsters he wanted and backed them to hilt, and enjoyed their full loyalty. He practically molded the team in his own image. Kohli does not have Dhoni's ruthlessness. i cant agree more, i also add he was the one who pushed out veeru from side when he was past it,dhoni had many faukts but he was not as clueless as virat sandeep 1 Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 56 minutes ago, SK_IH said: i cant agree more, i also add he was the one who pushed out veeru from side when he was past it,dhoni had many faukts but he was not as clueless as virat Dhonis is the best captain india ever had,untill 2011-12 ,even 13,bar a few series down under he did take good decisions,tough decisions.Kohli seems to act big but is a chicken inside. Link to comment
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