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7 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

 

Dude are you even serious.

 

India holds the strategic high ground that is why China is trying to capture territory and break that strategic hold.The Chumbi valley area China controls is a very narrow strip of land and can be very easily cut off by Indian forces.So china tried to infiltrate on the Bhutanese land to get a piece of the Doka La plateau and widen the stretch.This is why Indian army stepped in pushed the Chinese back.

 

The Chinese cannot force their way here unless they have a 1:10 numerical superiority and complete air superiority.They have neither.So they are under pressure to save face.

 

Chinese are desperate for India to join the OBOR because no major economy has joined it.

Dude. If someone is trying to cut a piece of your house, who is under pressure? If you have it in you, push them out. We hold a high ground till now because we control the chicken piece. To save that, our army has stepped in. If we do and I hope we do, what has China to lose? They were anyways not having control over Doka La plateau. 

 

See if you infer anything different from this http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/if-26-billion-people-go-war-india-vs-china-20875

 

 

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Dude. If someone is trying to cut a piece of your house, who is under pressure? If you have it in you, push them out. We hold a high ground till now because we control the chicken piece. To save that, our army has stepped in. If we do and I hope we do, what has China to lose? They were anyways not having control over Doka La plateau. 

 

See if you infer anything different from this http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/if-26-billion-people-go-war-india-vs-china-20875

 

 

 

Bhai you know nothing.

 

There is nothing called chicken piece.Its chicken neck.Its the narrow corridor that connects India with north eastern india.

 

The chicken neck area isnt the strategic high point.Its miles from the Doka LA area and tri junctio.Chinese wants to capture more area so that they are close to that chicken neck area.

 

China was not trying to take any land from India but from Bhutan.India stopped that.

 

China has a lot to lose.

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Just now, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Bhai you know nothing.

 

There is nothing called chicken piece.Its chicken neck.Its the narrow corridor that connects India with north eastern india.

 

The chicken neck area isnt the strategic high point.Its miles from the Doka LA area and tri junctio.Chinese wants to capture more area so that they are close to that chicken neck area.

 

China was not trying to take any land from India but from Bhutan.India stopped that.

 

China has a lot to lose.

ok. chicken neck.

Boss it is miles but China will get closer to it. Who will be the loser in that. Here are all the facts  with images. . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/06/china-india-bhutan-standoff-disputed-territory

 

And why would we want to get into a fight when it is Bhutan, because India has something to lose. What lot will China lose. They are trying to grab more land. If they don't, what land will they lose. If they do, India has a lot to lose. Do not think that is difficult to understand

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42 minutes ago, veer said:

yup.. .national interest comes first to me..

 

And it shows how your mind works when you asked ''who is going to support us if we go to war with China''... we are strong enough to support ourselves.. we dont need anybody.

I also have national interest in mind. Do not think we can do it without international support. This isnt Pakistan we are dealing with.

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China's economy is somewhat in trouble right now. An armed conflict could be a solution they would look at to stimulate the economy. I doubt it would be with India. Maybe they will start a small conflict with one of the South China Sea countries. 

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Quite a strong possibility of them going at a "war"  , but then again we need to minimize the notion of a war.  Since the nuclear capability , I dont think now or anytime in the future any two countries would be fighting conventional large scaled wars like previously with huge armies .  Back in the day, if a country were to lose - they'd surrender and just back off but with the nuclear threat - any country when in a position to be decimated would resort to Nucelar threat and that's a lose-lose situation.

 

If India and China were to go to war which I think it is possibility - it would be limited only to that area and would be more of a limited aggression from either side and one side backing down to minimize the losses and go back to the drawing board.  China has always been very assertive and Xi is quite a nationalistic guy and he isn't singling out India but also US/ Japan and focuses on provocations and maximizing the Chinese influence.  They have already tested the waters against India by sending reconnaissance choppers and these hostile patrols across the Indian side numerous times. 

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33 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

 They have already tested the waters against India by sending reconnaissance choppers and these hostile patrols across the Indian side numerous times. 

Also by destroying our bunkers in that region. It can also lead to a permanent cold war type situation.

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1 minute ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

Also by destroying our bunkers in that region. It can also lead to a permanent cold war type situation.

Thing is lets face it China has the upper hand , they will win so hence their confidence.  China will not escalate with India to an extent where it will face international isolation.  China focuse on taking over 10 km of land 50 times rather than take 500 km of your land once.  They keep pestering one small step a time pushing someone little by little and provoking them.  

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3 minutes ago, bleaf27 said:

Thing is lets face it China has the upper hand , they will win so hence their confidence.  China will not escalate with India to an extent where it will face international isolation.  China focuse on taking over 10 km of land 50 times rather than take 500 km of your land once.  They keep pestering one small step a time pushing someone little by little and provoking them.  

Agree with what you have written. It is to however ponder that who can and who will isolate China internationally. Think that is tough for most to do.

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9 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

Also by destroying our bunkers in that region. It can also lead to a permanent cold war type situation.

China is not going to do anything and there is no war happening or anything.

 

OP is just over reacting. China has more things to worry about than battling against India. China wants to fix their mess with USA and Trump which is a bigger issue for them at this time than this Bhutan issue

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11 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

China is not going to do anything and there is no war happening or anything.

 

OP is just over reacting. China has more things to worry about than battling against India. China wants to fix their mess with USA and Trump which is a bigger issue for them at this time than this Bhutan issue

War may be no, may be yes. But small steps they do take. pricking a needle types. Nicely put in numbers by bleaf27

 

Trump hasn''t talked much about the manufacturing jobs. All the talk has been around IT jobs and India, H1B visa etc.  If there is anything you have come across on Trump v China, please share. I will still cast my doubts on the action. In my opinion, China has good financial control over US.

 

Sharing this article on how China has decent control over US and it is growing. Reason why it will be tough for US to isolate China.

 

 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22362982/ns/business-world_business/t/china-controlling-more-us-economy/#.WV_ShIjyvIU

 

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14 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

China is not going to do anything and there is no war happening or anything.

 

OP is just over reacting. China has more things to worry about than battling against India. China wants to fix their mess with USA and Trump which is a bigger issue for them at this time than this Bhutan issue

Disagree.  China and US have no mess and none of those countries will do more than lip service against each other - they have too much invested in each other and geo-politically they cannot make irreperable differences with each other - worst come to worst , China would not interfere if US going against North Korea.  

However, India to China is a bigger threat because of it's closeness to the US and with India taking a tougher stance with pressing China into an NSG membership and calling it out for supporting Pak and standing against CPEC ,  China is feeling pressurized to show its stance and curb India.    

Bhutan is just an excuse to needle India and show the subcontinent that India cannot stand against China. 

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13 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

War may be no, may be yes. But small steps they do take. pricking a needle types. Nicely put in numbers by bleaf27

 

Trump hasn''t talked much about the manufacturing jobs. All the talk has been around IT jobs and India, H1B visa etc.  If there is anything you have come across on Trump v China, please share. I will still cast my doubts on the action. In my opinion, China has good financial control over US.

 

Sharing this article on how China has decent control over US and it is growing. Reason why it will be tough for US to isolate China.

 

 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22362982/ns/business-world_business/t/china-controlling-more-us-economy/#.WV_ShIjyvIU

 

Here is a more latest article 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/06/china-usa-relations-reach-a-turning-point--and-not-for-the-better.html

 

Read about the latest Steel and Aluminum war and also the weapons exported to Japan that has added to a bigger mess between Trump and China.

 

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1 minute ago, bleaf27 said:

Disagree.  China and US have no mess and none of those countries will do more than lip service against each other - they have too much invested in each other and geo-politically they cannot make irreperable differences with each other - worst come to worst , China would not interfere if US going against North Korea.  

However, India to China is a bigger threat because of it's closeness to the US and with India taking a tougher stance with pressing China into an NSG membership and calling it out for supporting Pak and standing against CPEC ,  China is feeling pressurized to show its stance and curb India.    

Bhutan is just an excuse to needle India and show the subcontinent that India cannot stand against China. 

Regardless of how you may look at it, there is nothing big going to happen and most of it is all exaggeration in OP about War is coming etc. 

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22 minutes ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

Agree with what you have written. It is to however ponder that who can and who will isolate China internationally. Think that is tough for most to do.

China is too huge unfortunately to be isolated.  Their exports all over the world now cannot be competed against.  Biggest problem with the world would be to contain China - US won't even be a threat anymore except millitarily but China does have a bully-ish nature and is focused on expanding 

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2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Here is a more latest article 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/06/china-usa-relations-reach-a-turning-point--and-not-for-the-better.html

 

Read about the latest Steel and Aluminum war and also the weapons exported to Japan that has added to a bigger mess between Trump and China.

 

Did read. Fair point. Even if put to action, it will be a while before US can free itself from the financial clutches of China. They are buying stakes and even companies as a whole within the US. 

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