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i am very happy to see ZAK as the bowling coach.

I can gurantee a Serious JUMP in Smartness among INDIAN PACERS.

I always wanted UMESH SHAMMI ISHANT under ZAK's coaching ..even the lambu Ishant will win wickets now. 

I am super excited with ZAK as the Bowling coach.

Superb Decision ..better late then never.

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5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Neither. We had better options in Moody/Simmons/Lalchand/ Richards. 

Let me rephrase the question. We are fully committed to Kohli as a captain now and for the next couple of years. He is our best player. Would you not want someone who he has a good relationship with and someone who he really wants to work under?

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Just now, Laaloo said:

Let me rephrase the question. We are fully committed to Kohli as a captain now and for the next couple of years. He is our best player. Would you not want someone who he has a good relationship with and someone who he really wants to work under?

Let us say Ravi Shastri is the nicest guy in the world, how does that help Kohli in his captaincy?

 

Or are we saying that if Kohli is left to his own device he is a strategic genius who will figure everything out?

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@Laaloo as I said Ravi Shastri being the coach is not the problem but the way he forced his way into the scheme of things and how players dictate who should be the management in the bigger picture is a concern.

 

Kohli might still go pile up runs and we may still win games..it will be fine when things are going our way but not the best solution for crisis situations.

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Just now, maniac said:

Let us say Ravi Shastri is the nicest guy in the world, how does that help Kohli in his captaincy?

 

Or are we saying that if Kohli is left to his own device he is a strategic genius who will figure everything out?

What is the coachs role anyways? Remember all those defeats under the two duds in Dhoni and Duncan. I do not agree with ousting kumble and I do not support Kohli in that fight. But I'm just looking at the bigger picture. We are committed to Kohli as the captain now. Shastri has not been a total failure. He lost two series, one in Aus and one at home against SA. If kohli performs better under Shastri as opposed to other coaches, then what's the harm?

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1 minute ago, Laaloo said:

What is the coachs role anyways? Remember all those defeats under the two duds in Dhoni and Duncan. I do not agree with ousting kumble and I do not support Kohli in that fight. But I'm just looking at the bigger picture. We are committed to Kohli as the captain now. Shastri has not been a total failure. He lost two series, one in Aus and one at home against SA. If kohli performs better under Shastri as opposed to other coaches, then what's the harm?

Performance was not bad under Kumble either infact way better under Kumble...but having said that yeah coach cannot play for the players....From what we heard Kohli overrode Kumble's decision to bat first but atleast there was a guy disagreeing or having a different pov...with Shastri it would have been.."ok hun...whatever you say hun"

 

 

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Performance was not bad under Kumble either infact way better under Kumble...but having said that yeah coach cannot play for the players....From what we heard Kohli overrode Kumble's decision to bat first but atleast there was a guy disagreeing or having a different pov...with Shastri it would have been.."ok hun...whatever you say hun"

 

 

True. Virats fetish for chasing is getting to the same level as Dhoni taking everything to the last over!!!!

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6 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Let me rephrase the question. We are fully committed to Kohli as a captain now and for the next couple of years. He is our best player. Would you not want someone who he has a good relationship with and someone who he really wants to work under?

Checks and balances are required. Otherwise result is always disaster. Hopefully Shastri understands his role being more than just cheerleader.

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20 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Let me rephrase the question. We are fully committed to Kohli as a captain now and for the next couple of years. He is our best player. Would you not want someone who he has a good relationship with and someone who he really wants to work under?

Why cant Kohli learn to work with Kumble who is a much better strategist and has lot more experience for the overall interest of Indian cricket instead of just having his way and getting someone who will pretty much be a cheerleader for him ? Under Shastri, India lost all games in tri series in Australia, World Cup SF against Australia, lost ODI series in Australia, lost ODI series in BD, lost against SA at home. What inputs did Shastri give to turn the tide and how is he now somehow good to make a comeback ? Compare that team to how India did under Kumble.

 

If Kohli thinks he is a master strategist who will figure everything out on his own, he is terribly mistaken. His onfield decisions show he is mostly clueless. He is definitely not half as good as Ganguly or Dravid. Good batsman but poor on a strategic level.

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

According to one report, 15/15 players wanted Ravi Shastri. Not even 14-1. 

But yeah Mumbai lobby. I really hope now that Shastri actually holds some position he starts showing what is Mumbai lobby just to piss you guys. :money: But then Indian team would also suffer. :sad:

 

 

oh you want more now...lol why not play mumbai team for India...pathetic man.

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20 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i am very happy to see ZAK as the bowling coach.

I can gurantee a Serious JUMP in Smartness among INDIAN PACERS.

I always wanted UMESH SHAMMI ISHANT under ZAK's coaching ..even the lambu Ishant will win wickets now. 

I am super excited with ZAK as the Bowling coach.

Superb Decision ..better late then never.

in all this thats one thing that is positive.  Zak as coach, he being committed with the team and giving him all his exposure, that should be a positive, and he has done this before when he was the defacto bowling captain, ofcouse he cant be in the field now.

 

 

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Excellent panel of coaches appointed by the CAC, Ravi Shastri is a good choice for head coach work like better man management, Zaheer Khan was needed since long time now, so good to see a good bowling coach finally appointed. Sanjay Bangar and Sridhar have always been praised by the players, specially Bangar got good praise even by IPL teams and players.

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9 minutes ago, Vilander said:

oh you want more now...lol why not play mumbai team for India...pathetic man.

Dude what is this Mumbai lobby thing? This is not IPL...ok fair enough if you accuse one of the world's richest men politicking his way in franchise cricket but there is no such thing called Mumbai lobby in internationals.

 

First let me tell you this I am not very happy with this whole Kumble-Kohli--CAC-Shastri saga either.

 

Gavaskar,Sachin are not exactly Mumbai lobby they are cricket's biggest stars who happened to be part of Indian cricket and hail from Mumbai

 

Where exactly are you getting this from?

 

Rohit,Rahane being backed by Kohli(Delhi) later and Dhoni(Jharkand) not exactly Mumbai lobby

 

How many Mumbai/Maharashtra cricketers played under Sachin's captaincy?

 

Yeah Sure Shastri was backed by Sachin that's pretty much the only connection here.

 

Laxman(Hyderabad),Ganguly(Bengal),Kohli(Delhi)

 

where exactly is this lobby...Sure 1 see one irrelevant connection.

 

Also BCCI is not run by Sharad Pawar any more

 

This is a crapfest but nothing to do with this Mumbai lobby 

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16 minutes ago, NareshK said:

Why cant Kohli learn to work with Kumble who is a much better strategist and has lot more experience for the overall interest of Indian cricket instead of just having his way and getting someone who will pretty much be a cheerleader for him ? Under Shastri, India lost all games in tri series in Australia, World Cup SF against Australia, lost ODI series in Australia, lost ODI series in BD, lost against SA at home. What inputs did Shastri give to turn the tide and how is he now somehow good to make a comeback ? Compare that team to how India did under Kumble.

 

If Kohli thinks he is a master strategist who will figure everything out on his own, he is terribly mistaken. His onfield decisions show he is mostly clueless. He is definitely not half as good as Ganguly or Dravid. Good batsman but poor on a strategic level.

Coaching is more than being a strategist.  Man-management, motivational skills, tact, understanding of personalities etc. are essential skills.  It seemed like Kumble was lacking in these areas.  

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I think Shastri was doing fine in his first stint. Kumble replacing an already successful coach at the time was not cool. Now,in essence, the Kumble era has ended and Shastri gets (what should have been his to begin with) his old job back. Also, we are going by perceptions. But there is no real evidence that Kumble was necessarily the better tactician of the two. Shastri knows the game too. There is no evidence that Kumble brought out things in players that Shastri couldn't. Supposedly Shastri had Kohli make subtle changes to his batting stance to better handle the outgoing ball and get out of the slump he encountered in England. What we do know is that Kumble for whatever reason couldn't get along with the captain. Shastri can. So good luck to Shastri and thank you Kumble. Also adding Dravid, Zaheer to the mix brings a lot of depth to this coaching staff. Probably the best staff we have ever had.

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2 minutes ago, kirkutfan said:

I think Shastri was doing fine in his first stint. Kumble replacing an already successful coach at the time was not cool. Now,in essence, the Kumble era has ended and Shastri gets (what should have been his to begin with) his old job back. Also, we are going by perceptions. But there is no real evidence that Kumble was necessarily the better tactician of the two. Shastri knows the game too. There is no evidence that Kumble brought out things in players that Shastri couldn't. Supposedly Shastri had Kohli make subtle changes to his batting stance to better handle the outgoing ball and get out of the slump he encountered in England. What we do know is that Kumble for whatever reason couldn't get along with the captain. Shastri can. So good luck to Shastri and thank you Kumble. Also adding Dravid, Zaheer to the mix brings a lot of depth to this coaching staff. Probably the best staff we have ever had.

If Kumble was behind Kuleep getting a game in final test against Australia, He won the series for India which we wouldn't have otherwise. 

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One thing is for sure - there is immense pressure on Kohli and Shastri to win and win now.  After much drama, they have been given everything they each wanted and now there are no excuses.  It simply must be made to work.

 

There is also pressure on them to show that the players are truly happy.  There is a microscope focused on the players and their interactions, and every statement that every player makes will be dissected and every possible meaning teased out.  

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5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

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is that your comeback... lol

 

Do you remember when i asked for your opinion about this ??

 

yeah, Me Neither.

 

 

Anyways there is Allan Rickman the great actor and then sashtri uncle the cheerleader cant pull a suit with beer pot belly.

 

The fun thing is he has to deliver now, no hiding behind anywhere. He is coach. Mr Bombastic.

 

If he succeeds : everyone is happy as India wins.

 

If he fails : Would be a lot of fun seeing him face it and last of him. Albeit the pain of Indian loss,for a better future.

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6 hours ago, cric_fan said:

That's one less Indian in the commentary box then. Great news for the rest of us :D

actually after all this time, i accept this comment. Its indeed a great new for many that Sashtri wont be in commentary box ( he anyway semi retired).

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1 hour ago, Pollack said:

Checks and balances are required. Otherwise result is always disaster. Hopefully Shastri understands his role being more than just cheerleader.

 

There are atleast 2 ways of introducing a different point of view.

 

1 )   B tells A that I don't agree with what you are saying. This is what I think should happen.  This approach hardly works in the long run where 2 free people are involved. Especially so when trust between A and B  has broken down, even if it is due to A's fault.

 

2 )  B is a trusted friend of A and suggests things logically in a friendly way. This approach works much better and is more effective.

 

We can hope that Shastri would operate using (2).   Let's see how it pans out.

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21 minutes ago, kirkutfan said:

I think Shastri was doing fine in his first stint. Kumble replacing an already successful coach at the time was not cool. Now,in essence, the Kumble era has ended and Shastri gets (what should have been his to begin with) his old job back. Also, we are going by perceptions. But there is no real evidence that Kumble was necessarily the better tactician of the two. Shastri knows the game too. There is no evidence that Kumble brought out things in players that Shastri couldn't. Supposedly Shastri had Kohli make subtle changes to his batting stance to better handle the outgoing ball and get out of the slump he encountered in England. What we do know is that Kumble for whatever reason couldn't get along with the captain. Shastri can. So good luck to Shastri and thank you Kumble. Also adding Dravid, Zaheer to the mix brings a lot of depth to this coaching staff. Probably the best staff we have ever had.

Totally agree , I have always been impressed with some of his insights during the game , like this one time he points out  the batting side is looking to score runs to win the match and before even I could process that he adds that the bowling side will need wickets to win this one  .  Hes going to be super coach !!

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3 hours ago, Zero_Unit said:

Did He ever coach any team let alone a national team in his life? Curious to find out. 

No. And neither did Kumble. But many assume that Kumble was better because of the perception of him being analytical, less of a talker etc. But the reality is no one really knows what the substance is. Also Kohli plays with a desire to be successful. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would allow the support system he relies upon for this purpose to weaken just because he had an odd argument. So I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It is possible for two otherwise successful people to not get along. Finally, you still have the Kumble type quiet analytical guy in Dravid. So BCCI has done a nice job by replacing Kumble with not only Shastri, but a group with varied skill sets. 

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Zaheer Khan worked hard to get where he got. Shastri is the biggest  sifarshi candidate in Indian cricket. If we was not playing for Mumbai he would have never seen Indian cricket team. What does he brings to the game that he deserves to be the coach. Kindly tell me one good quality he has except for sucking upto Kohli. Kohli needs a coach not a yes man. This is retarded and backwards.

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53 minutes ago, Khota said:

Zaheer Khan worked hard to get where he got. Shastri is the biggest  sifarshi candidate in Indian cricket. If we was not playing for Mumbai he would have never seen Indian cricket team. What does he brings to the game that he deserves to be the coach. Kindly tell me one good quality he has except for sucking upto Kohli. Kohli needs a coach not a yes man. This is retarded and backwards.

I hate shastri, I genuinely cannot stand the guy at all.

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37 minutes ago, Khota said:

Zaheer Khan worked hard to get where he got. Shastri is the biggest  sifarshi candidate in Indian cricket. If we was not playing for Mumbai he would have never seen Indian cricket team. What does he brings to the game that he deserves to be the coach. Kindly tell me one good quality he has except for sucking upto Kohli. Kohli needs a coach not a yes man. This is retarded and backwards.

I wouldn't go that far. He was one of those utility players who could bat from 1 to 11 and averaged around 35 with the bat and contributed a bit with the ball. No super star, but not a passenger either. The guy has played 80 tests, won a man of the series in a world Odi tournament. And post playing days has stayed connected to the game. Definitely more than a yes man. Also, I think he was an upgrade from Fletcher.

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55 minutes ago, kirkutfan said:

I wouldn't go that far. He was one of those utility players who could bat from 1 to 11 and averaged around 35 with the bat and contributed a bit with the ball. No super star, but not a passenger either. The guy has played 80 tests, won a man of the series in a world Odi tournament. And post playing days has stayed connected to the game. Definitely more than a yes man. Also, I think he was an upgrade from Fletcher.

Explain to me what has he done to deserve this position?

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44 minutes ago, Khota said:

Explain to me what has he done to deserve this position?

Successful director/coach in prior stint in 2015-16 for starters.  Possibly helped in bringing about Kohli's return to form. Ability to work with the captain.  Heck, the captain wanted him back. Knows the game having played it at the highest level and staying connected to it after playing days were over. Finally, like a tracer bullet, he is out of the commentary box.

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From Cricinfo's Gaurav Kalra

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1110570.html

Shastri is viewed as someone with Man management skills.Not a great technical analysis guy .

There was disagreement in CAC (assuming Ganguly) hence the delay in announcing initially.But Sachin backed Shastri to the hilt and got it over the line.

Shastri wanted Bharat Arun as coach but COC vetoed it and Zaheer was picked as compromise.

Dravid was appointed as overseas batting coach because of the array of overseas assignments we have in next 2 years .

 

 

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6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

From Cricinfo's Gaurav Kalra

 

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1110570.html

Shastri is viewed as someone with Man management skills.Not a great technical analysis guy .

There was disagreement in CAC (assuming Ganguly) hence the delay in announcing initially.But Sachin backed Shastri to the hilt and got it over the line.

Shastri wanted Bharat Arun as coach but COC vetoed it and Zaheer was picked as compromise.

Dravid was appointed as overseas batting coach because of the array of overseas assignments we have in next 2 years .

 

 

Ganguly hates Ravi. Interested to see Laxman's choice. Not mentioned.

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28 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

From Cricinfo's Gaurav Kalra

 

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1110570.html

Shastri is viewed as someone with Man management skills.Not a great technical analysis guy .

There was disagreement in CAC (assuming Ganguly) hence the delay in announcing initially.But Sachin backed Shastri to the hilt and got it over the line.

Shastri wanted Bharat Arun as coach but COC vetoed it and Zaheer was picked as compromise.

Dravid was appointed as overseas batting coach because of the array of overseas assignments we have in next 2 years .

 

 

@Pollack Sachin single handed selected shastri.

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On 7/11/2017 at 5:57 AM, cric_fan said:

That's one less Indian in the commentary box then. Great news for the rest of us :D

No, that means more of Manju and LSRK :wall:

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29 minutes ago, gattaca said:

@Pollack Sachin single handed selected shastri.

It only states the obvious. Did I ever contest Sachin's vote is not in favour of Ravi. The point being made was the other two members could still override that decisions if they want.  Sachin backed till hilt as worded by BG means he did not sway away from his vote. If we assume Laxman and Ganguly did not want Shastri then they could have agreed on some other candidate and he would have been coach. The fact that other two could not agree on one candidate also shows each one was not ready to budge from their respective choice of candidates.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So what does bowling consultant position mean and hows it diff from bowling coach. 

Will zaheer not give n his all time and be avl on few tours only??

coach is a full time role more commitments from both sides, consultant is a contract role less commitments.

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1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

From Cricinfo's Gaurav Kalra

 

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1110570.html

Shastri is viewed as someone with Man management skills.Not a great technical analysis guy .

There was disagreement in CAC (assuming Ganguly) hence the delay in announcing initially.But Sachin backed Shastri to the hilt and got it over the line.

Shastri wanted Bharat Arun as coach but COC vetoed it and Zaheer was picked as compromise.

Dravid was appointed as overseas batting coach because of the array of overseas assignments we have in next 2 years .

 

 

so Kohli Shastri Sachin have all eggs in one basket and Dravid Zak to throw under the bus in case of a need cool.

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we already have a body of evidence in public doman that shows a. Kumble as an astute strategist  and b, Kohli as someone who is a near great player in tactical level but lacks a bit with questionable judgement in team decisions c, Shastri is a cheerleader.

 

So this is potentially a bad situation for team India, hope for individual brilliance to save face. Hope  Pujara and other crisis batters are not thrown out of the team by the lobbists.

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

Fielding coach? 

We have one in theory.... but a replacement is most welcome.

 

We should bring in LSRK as spin bowling coach.

 

He is supposed to be good  and it would remove him from the commentary box  

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