Bharat Arun - crony or coach?

[The Realist]

Only played ever played 2 tests and 4 ODIs at international level and appears to have little or no coaching track record  - apart from being an assistant coach at RCB...

Yet Head Cheerleader Shastri is "adamant on having Bharat Arun, who served as the bowling coach during his last stint as team director, back on board"

 

 

 

 

Did find the following gem on Coach Arun

 

Do you also use Ishant as the catalyst to communicate with the other bowlers?

Absolutely. Ishant is the leader of this attack. The bowlers look up to Ishant and sometimes, when he comes up with an idea and talks directly to the younger guys, it creates much more impact than the coach saying it. It is smart to get the senior bowler speak to his colleagues directly about what he did right and the lessons he learnt.

 

Looks like he's following in the proud tradition left by other illustrious coaches like Joe Dawes  

 

[Pollack]

Ishant Sharma sharing ideas be like this:

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2017 by Pollack

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Total crony

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Ye sutiya coach bana to i will support ireland.

[Vilander]

16 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Ye sutiya coach bana to i will support ireland.

dude just fyi he was coach already. no ?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

dude just fyi he was coach already. no ?

 

Yes 3rd rate coach.Ganguly was openly telling this during 2014 Aus tour.He said on air that Aussies have Mcdermott as coach who was a very good bowler and can teach the players the art of taking wickets and setting up the batsman.The Indian coach has no idea about these things as he has not played much international cricket.

 

[someone]

If coaching was all just the playing experience,  we might just hire our most capped bowler & batsman as coaches. But that doesn't work in reality. Arun himself is not a newbie, so let's give me a fair chance and support.

[Vilander]

10 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Yes 3rd rate coach.Ganguly was openly telling this during 2014 Aus tour.He said on air that Aussies have Mcdermott as coach who was a very good bowler and can teach the players the art of taking wickets and setting up the batsman.The Indian coach has no idea about these things as he has not played much international cricket.

 

this is bad on so many levels. shame on them.

[kosingh]

12 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Yes 3rd rate coach.Ganguly was openly telling this during 2014 Aus tour.He said on air that Aussies have Mcdermott as coach who was a very good bowler and can teach the players the art of taking wickets and setting up the batsman.The Indian coach has no idea about these things as he has not played much international cricket.

 

Didn't Ganguly and Co. do considerable drama when the same McDermott applied for the Indian coaching job, but his application was a few hours too late?

 

Not many in the Indian cricket structure have come out looking good in the last few weeks.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

If coaching was all just the playing experience,  we might just hire our most capped bowler & batsman as coaches. But that doesn't work in reality. Arun himself is not a newbie, so let's give me a fair chance and support.

 

He knows jack **** about taking wickets.Thats a art you learn as you play.This is not a academy to teach players basics of fast bowling.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Didn't Ganguly and Co. do considerable drama when the same McDermott applied for the Indian coaching job, but his application was a few hours too late?

 

Not many in the Indian cricket structure have come out looking good in the last few weeks.

 

Not CAC.The BCCI did.

[someone]

4 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

He knows jack **** about taking wickets.Thats a art you learn as you play.This is not a academy to teach players basics of fast bowling.

Wrong. Good coaches do not necessary need big playing experience. Similarly, you do not become good coach if you just have big playing experience. Look at many football coaches, and understand them.

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, someone said:

Wrong. Good coaches do not necessary need big playing experience. Similarly, you do not become good coach if you just have big playing experience. Look at many football coaches, and understand them.

a coach needs to understand game situation and provide critical technical inputs when needed, he cant just be a training buddy.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Wrong. Good coaches do not necessary need big playing experience. Similarly, you do not become good coach if you just have big playing experience. Look at many football coaches, and understand them.

 

This is not football.There is a lot of difference between the two.In cricket unless you know the art yourself you cant teach others.This not only devising strategy

[someone]

11 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

This is not football.There is a lot of difference between the two.In cricket unless you know the art yourself you cant teach others.This not only devising strategy

You do realize football is far more tactical than cricket can ever be. Coaches can never be ranked on their number of caps. It's a very simple logic. And you do realize that many of our great players like Sachin, Kohli have been coached by people with absolutely little playing experience and yet, these people have been credited in making them.  Give Arun a fair chance, don't just make an argument over nothing.

[someone]

16 minutes ago, Vilander said:

a coach needs to understand game situation and provide critical technical inputs when needed, he cant just be a training buddy.

Unless you know him personally, then it's idiotic when you say that. There is no evidence to suggest that Arun is incompetent so far.  He is well trusted by his colleagues and has decent experience nevertheless.

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, someone said:

You do realize football is far more tactical than cricket can ever be. Coaches can never be ranked on their number of caps. It's a very simple logic. And you do realize that many of our great players like Sachin, Kohli have been coached by people with absolutely little playing experience and yet, these people have been credited in making them.  Give Arun a fair chance, don't just make an argument over nothing.

ok so when there is complex numerous tactical options - you can strategize on a design board - devise plays. when there is lesser tactical options there is less of strategizing (delivery line/length ok, spin vs pace player options, field positions may be not). ( for instance cricket can plan and more of getting the tactics right as they each have high value - in cricket the strategy is primarily in the players game( lots of it) - and less on the coaches board, the coach needs to provide technical inputs in cricket - especially the guy who is below the head coach - if he is not going to provide technical inputs who is going to. Btw someone this guy is not from Mumbai - he is from TN i guess - you sure you want to support him now ?

[Vilander]

9 minutes ago, someone said:

Unless you know him personally, then it's idiotic when you say that. There is no evidence to suggest that Arun is incompetent so far.  He is well trusted by his colleagues and has decent experience nevertheless.

nope i am just providing an opposing view to yours - not value judgement on him. You are beyond idiotic when you say he just needs to strategize, his job is operations - bowlers runup delivery stride wickets.

[Vilander]

A player who trained himself to overachieve say, Flemming collingwood dravid etc are prime candidates for coaching as they will teach others how to train and get better. A player who had natural talent and great work ethic( Sachin, Lara, Ponting etc can be brought in as consultants but may be not as coaches). A player who sucked in his playing days on field , had poor temperament and history of indiscipline during playing days ideally should not be considered for coaching job.  Simple.

[kirkutfan]

Besides working with the Indian side, he has coached Tamil Nadu, India U 19, India A and at the National Cricket Academy. So he is not a fly by night character. Whoever is making the decision to pick him has access to a long coaching history.