Trichromatic Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Jammu Ladakh and Kashmir or split into 3 different administrative units (UT/State) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yes it should Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhoi Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Nope, that would lead to one state holding a Super Majority of one particular religion and would make a precedent for Sharia kind of laws to be passed in State Parliament .... randomGuy, Scar and Muloghonto 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Sure. Once India has recaptured G-B and PoK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tendu_10 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Sure. Once India has recaptured G-B and PoK. why the hell do we want those areas. Majority Muslim and will create an even worse security tension. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Singh bling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Population transfer of J&K Muslims to Pakistan is the only solution. Take Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs in exchange and resettle them in Kashmir Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Tibarn said: Population transfer of J&K Muslims to Pakistan is the only solution. Take Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs in exchange and resettle them in Kashmir Valley. Population transfer only happen if there are mass riots , killing looting , raping , only then people flee o/w they never do that.Even in 1947 most muslims who voted for Pakistan in 1946 elections preferred to stay in India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 No. Bad idea. One of the strongest points India has re: Kashmir as opposed to Pakistan, is that we've honoured the instrument of accession by not altering Kashmir. Pakistan has, by creating Azad Kashmir, Northern territories, giving a chunk of it to China as pimp-protection money, etc. If we partition kashmir, we lose that legal edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 49 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Population transfer only happen if there are mass riots , killing looting , raping , only then people flee o/w they never do that.Even in 1947 most muslims who voted for Pakistan in 1946 elections preferred to stay in India There is no peaceful, nonviolent solution to Kashmir, in my opinion. Any ideas otherwise are wishful thinking. Considering that the population transfer only involves J&K, the number of security personnel in the valley should be increased during the process to minimize any chaos. This is different than the partition of India, where the British just set an arbitrary deadline to leave and left India in chaos and with a shortage of manpower to even control riots, looting etc. The Kashmir issue is entirely a bilateral issue since the Shimla Agreement, no matter how much certain people want to make it an international issue. That's the one good thing Indira did. That leaves only 3 possible outcomes/solutions to me: 1) Status quo: The Kashmir issue will continue bleed both countries, especially Pakistan, but we also waste lives and resources throwing money at a problem that certain sections of the country aren't even willing to acknowledge is a religious issue. 2) A decisive war where the remaining territory of Kashmir comes to us. This is not going to happen for a long time. The padosis are crazy enough to launch a nuke when pushed into a corner, we are not. 3) Exchange the population. The padosis's only claim over Kashmir is that it was a Muslim majority kingdom when partition happened. If they want the population so much, they can have them. I would happily take all the Hindus and Sikhs in exchange. I don't see a reason why the padosis would refuse to take the population. If the padosis truly want peace in the region, then they will accept taking the population. They keep repeating that Kashmir is the unfinished agenda of partition. If they refuse, we can easily call out their bluff that they don't want to settle the issue as peacefully as possible, and would rather attempt to and fail to gain territory, than solve the issue. It would at minimum expose the padosis as having imperialist delusions. Their civilian population thinks of Kashmir as a religious issue from my experience. Their military leadership knows they are actually more interested in the water resource access through Kashmir. We can at least put them in a difficult political spot by asking them to peacefully take the population and resettle them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: Population transfer only happen if there are mass riots , killing looting , raping , only then people flee o/w they never do that.Even in 1947 most muslims who voted for Pakistan in 1946 elections preferred to stay in India Cannot have population transfer without pretty much getting kicked out of the UN and becoming a global pariah like North Korea. India is a signatory to human rights charter and its pretty straightforward that you cannot disenfranchise a born citizen of a country. So one can encourage Kashmiri muslims to go to Pakistan. One cannot force them to, since they are born Indian citizens. So population exchange is not going to happen. Demographic flood is a more achievable scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 For admin purpose, it is a good idea. Can't allow Ladak and Jammu to be dragged down because of the valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 just repeal article 370. end this nautanki once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Tendu_10 said: why the hell do we want those areas. Majority Muslim and will create an even worse security tension. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Those areas are legally a part of India. That would also give Ind access to border with Afganistan One of the reasons, Kashmir issue has become so grave is because many in Ind don't care about the area. This has allowed Pak to focus only on J&K. Ind has to make it clear that Kashmir issue is about Pak vacating those areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tendu_10 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Those areas are legally a part of India. That would also give Ind access to border with Afganistan One of the reasons, Kashmir issue has become so grave is because many in Ind don't care about the area. This has allowed Pak to focus only on J&K. Ind has to make it clear that Kashmir issue is about Pak vacating those areas im sick of Kashmir headache. Theyve already gotten rid of the Pandits its just full of Muslim radicals. If we got POK and GB which is full of even more Muslims then it will require even more security more troops on the ground more waste of money. And most in POK and GB arent separatists from Pak. this strategic move isnt worth all the bloodshed. We should keep J&K but divide it up into administrative divisions. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tendu_10 said: im sick of Kashmir headache. Theyve already gotten rid of the Pandits its just full of Muslim radicals. If we got POK and GB which is full of even more Muslims then it will require even more security more troops on the ground more waste of money. And most in POK and GB arent separatists from Pak. this strategic move isnt worth all the bloodshed. We should keep J&K but divide it up into administrative divisions. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk That is what the enemy wants. Ind to lose interest That area is occpied by Pakistanis. Natives are subjucated. Per UN resolution, all Pakistanis have to vacate the area Pandits want to resettle. Ind cannot give up on them and needs to be tough on militants, traitors and Pak Edited July 17, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Instead of 3, I would argue for 2. Ladakh is too sparcely populated to be a state of its own and I'm afraid if it becomes a UT, it would get completely ignored. Make Jammu and Ladakh as one separate state. Development of these two regions cannot be held hostage at the cost of the problems of the valley. Make Kashmir a separate state and abolish article 370. Give some financial incentive to people from outside states buying property there. Let the stone pelters keep pelting stones. Counter them with force. Real force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) why would kashmiris leave the land which they believe is their home and move to Pakistan leaving everything behind. which parallel utopian world are you guys living in Edited July 18, 2017 by PBN randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, Tendu_10 said: why the hell do we want those areas. Majority Muslim and will create an even worse security tension. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Sparsely populated. Population, after 70 years of jihadi army, also very docile. (talking about G-B here. ) Regardless, Its a crime against mother nature that a green flag has been allowed to be flown for so long in such a beautiful piece of real estate. Edited July 18, 2017 by surajmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Maybe we can add Himachal (and Uttarakhand), since that's also a hilly state. You get Hindu majority state of Himachal Jammu Kashmir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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