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@The Outsider

 

I agree with the gist of your post. However, when your example of forcing Hindi in Maithili speaking regions of Bihar isn't apt. Most Maithili speakers always spoke some kind of Hindi/Urdu/Hindustani as a second language. Moreover, Maithili and Hindi are mutually intelligible languages. To a Maithili speaker, it wouldn't seem that much of an imposition.

 

Kannada and Hindi are however, not mutually intelligible and people would hence object to Hindi a lot more than they did in Bihar.

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I find this debate ridiculous. The state of Karnataka has Konkani and Tulu in addition to Kannada as local languages. No one wants to mention that. Possibly more people in Karnataka speak these languages than Hindi. If signs are going to be put up in Hindi, there should be signs in Konkani and Tulu (not sure if they have  a script) too.

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It looks like the Lizard is spreading misinformation again. The national language project isn't something started by BJP. The BJP simply adopted the position of Sardar Patel/Sarvarkar on Hindi being the national language. They didn't invent the whole process. 

 

The national language project was started by the Indian National Congress at the time of Independence itself.

 

Gandhi on national language

gandhi nehru urdu2

 

Nehru, Azad, and Netaji's positions on national language. 

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Different positions on national language by people of the independence era by Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Netaji, Maulana Azad, Sarvarkar, and Ambedkar. 

 

 

Lying Lizard :phehe:

 

 

Also lol at Idea of India chutiyapa. So some of these people wanting to force English on non-English speakers is Idea of India kosher(English imposition), but the other way around is Hindi Imposition and not acceptable under Idea of India.  :rofl: 

 

Languages are dying in India regardless of if there is "Hindi imposition" via signboards.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/10-languages-in-karnataka-endangered/article4978614.ece

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10 languages in Karnataka endangered

Of the 50 languages that are spoken in Karnataka, eight are potentially endangered and two critical endangered, according to a survey conducted by the Peoples’ Linguistic Survey of India (PLSI), an organisation that is conducting a nation-wide survey of Indian languages.

Languages become endangered because people stop using them. They are either not taught by their parents or not taught in school. Unless you want to say that there is Kannada imposition that is killing the other languages in Karnataka.  :bumsmack:

 

Not supporting a single national language is cool, I can agree with that,  but what is this idiocy of protesting over sign-boards having a language that you don't understand on it? Most Gujaratis, particularly rural types,  don't understand either Hindi or English, let alone are able to read the scripts, so should they suddenly protest over all the sign boards in Gujarat with those languages on it, say everyone who doesn't know Gujarati should leave Gujarat, and say you must learn Gujarati if you want to come here. Will that be Idea of India Kosher? :facepalm:

 

Bloody hell, your language is strong enough to not be threatened by a dumb signboard. 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

 

Making of another kashmir?Separate flag?Next separate constitution.Then throw out non kannadigas.Then separate country.

 

 

 

 

Congress is going down a very dangerous path.Shame on them.

 

 

is there anything in the constitution which prevents the states from having its own flag? I dont know why they want a new flag though,just make the old one the offical one.

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10 hours ago, surajmal said:

And lol at this contrived Southern Unity. First get on board with something as trivial as water sharing. 

you think water sharing is trivial? Its goes to how people have no idea about the cauvery row unless they live in Karnataka and see the plight of the farmers.

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7. What is wrong in having Hindi on the Bangalore Metro display boards?

This discussion has a socio-political context. The display boards used in the Bangalore Metro only served as a trigger. The bigger question should be about the preferential treatment of Hindi over other languages. The status of Hindi in comparison with Kannada should be clearly discussed. Kannada has completely disappeared from banks, railway, milestones on highways, LIC and even from cooking gas cylinders. There are those who are pushing to get a union territory status to Bangalore. Companies like Flipkart that are based in Bangalore communicate only in English and Hindi with their customers. Bus conductors, auto-rickshaw drivers, cab drivers and shopkeepers who cannot speak Hindi are treated like barbarians by many. A cab company has made it mandatory for its drivers to know Hindi. One of the governors has propagated Hindi saying it is our duty to learn the language. Just yesterday a bunch of people protested in a shopping mall because a girl there did not/could not respond to them in Hindi. UPSC exams are available in Hindi and none of the other Indian languages. There is an endless list of such problems. It has also become common to see posts on Facebook which call for ‘banning this local language’ 

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14 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

The idea of India in Karnataka/Andhra/Telengana is as much as in any North Indian state, Don't confuse that with Hindi. Hindi is seen as an imposition. Actually nowadays Punjabi is more popular in India because of Bollywood culture. I went to a Tambi wedding in Chennai which had a Sangeet ceremony with all punjabi songs. Can't imagine a south Indian wedding with that culture. But there is a Punjabi culture takeover which is not imposition. Tomorrow we can't have signboards in Punjabi all throughout India just because it is popular. 

what's tambi?

 

punjabi music ftw :hail: it's actually quite popular esp. in weddings

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19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:
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7. What is wrong in having Hindi on the Bangalore Metro display boards?

This discussion has a socio-political context. The display boards used in the Bangalore Metro only served as a trigger. The bigger question should be about the preferential treatment of Hindi over other languages. The status of Hindi in comparison with Kannada should be clearly discussed. Kannada has completely disappeared from banks, railway, milestones on highways, LIC and even from cooking gas cylinders. There are those who are pushing to get a union territory status to Bangalore. Companies like Flipkart that are based in Bangalore communicate only in English and Hindi with their customers. Bus conductors, auto-rickshaw drivers, cab drivers and shopkeepers who cannot speak Hindi are treated like barbarians by many. A cab company has made it mandatory for its drivers to know Hindi. One of the governors has propagated Hindi saying it is our duty to learn the language. Just yesterday a bunch of people protested in a shopping mall because a girl there did not/could not respond to them in Hindi. UPSC exams are available in Hindi and none of the other Indian languages. There is an endless list of such problems. It has also become common to see posts on Facebook which call for ‘banning this local language’ 

This is truly a *ed up situation. I can see this move by BJP is going to come back and bite them in the ass in the upcoming State elections. In my circle there's already a lot of debate going on on this topic and think, congress is in for another five years rule. 

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15 hours ago, surajmal said:

lol. ban hindi? half the IT industry will move out next day. Its okay. Gurgaon/Noida are waiting with bated breath. 

 How many here prefer Gurgaon / Noida over Bangalore? I hope this movement happens. Bangalore needs some space. Personally I would never work in a place like Gurgaon or Noida. Bangalore and Pune are heaven compared to these places.

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7 hours ago, Tibarn said:

It looks like the Lizard is spreading misinformation again. The national language project isn't something started by BJP. The BJP simply adopted the position of Sardar Patel/Sarvarkar on Hindi being the national language. They didn't invent the whole process. 

 

The national language project was started by the Indian National Congress at the time of Independence itself.

 

Gandhi on national language

gandhi nehru urdu2

 

Nehru, Azad, and Netaji's positions on national language. 

Screenshot_1.png 

 

Different positions on national language by people of the independence era by Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Netaji, Maulana Azad, Sarvarkar, and Ambedkar. 

 

 

Lying Lizard :phehe:

 

 

Also lol at Idea of India chutiyapa. So some of these people wanting to force English on non-English speakers is Idea of India kosher(English imposition), but the other way around is Hindi Imposition and not acceptable under Idea of India. 

 

 

 

1.Congress did try to force Hindi when drawing the constitution.But we south resisted and and a solution was found to use either  English or Hindi as official language for 15 years and then to take stock later.

 

2.And when the 15 year period came ,GOI under Shastri did try to force Hindi .Which triggered massive protests in TN and Congress gave up that policy.

 

Since then I haven't seen them backtracking on the issue.Difference is for whatever reason BJP is igniting it again.

 

3.And no one has advocated for English imposition either.

What is being said is if one wants to communicate with people down south either learn English or learn the local language (which is probably much harder).

If we wanna communicate with North India then we will learn Hindi or whatever language or options available.

 

Basically it should be based on own will and necessasity whichever language one is learning .Not by imposition.

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Agree that local language and culture can be cannibalized by majority, but not religion/faith (argument for majoritarianism). Hindus were not going to ask muslims to convert in India, they are just asking to follow one common law. Opposition to TTT/polygamy is also seen as  communal, even feminazis are complying that it is a personal law that we have to respect minorities!  

 

Regarding the current topic, it is used by Siddu to basically win elections in 2018. He has seen that BJP is confused about Hindi being national language promoted by national leaders and RSS, while BJP in Karnataka will be conflicted to support local agitation or support RSS.  Both Metro and now flag issue is started by Cong/Siddu to rake up emotions for elections. A very good political game which might tilt in favor of Siddu unless BJP handles it better to show corruption and Cong mis-rule. Siddu is fearing that he will lose in 2018, not only to BJP, but to others in Congress over CM post.

 

This still doesn't deny that fact that the underlying emotion behind the agitation is fake. It has built up over the years and it was bound to erupt, too much softness from kannadigas over the years by the attitude of these immigrants who push over soft people. That's why we read such news about NIs getting beaten in buses/autos as the locals are getting frustrated over this f*ed up issue.

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Southies love English so much... Then why do all the accomplished Indian english writers belong to rest of the country? Hell I'm pretty sure even BIMARU states are better in this aspect (forget MH,Dilli and Bongland). 

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8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

you think water sharing is trivial? Its goes to how people have no idea about the cauvery row unless they live in Karnataka and see the plight of the farmers.

Thanks for the sanctimonious rebuke. 

My point still stands. There is no grand Dravidian identity. Just like there is no Grand Northie conspiracy to take over Southie culture. Because there is no Grand Northie identity or unity. 

If you people still keep falling for the same old politic ploy whose basis lies in a disproven European racist theory, It says something about your intelligence and pathology not "Imperial" designs of Northies. 

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19 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

That's why I say, you learn my language, I will learn yours and we can both speak. Why should I be the one learning your language alone and accept your zamindari attitude. So, the choice for us is to accept eith colonial masters or hindi fat zamindars! If you show that attitude to your fellow Indians, I would rather choose colonial masters (as you put it) and learn English.

As a third language, I'm sure no one will have a problem. Problem lies with Southern govts. Why havent they done anything with regards to spreading their languages? 

 

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20 hours ago, Lannister said:

This is only the beginning. I can see, in 5 to 6 years, the complete disbandment of Hindi from our State's education system. I wish you guys keep on behaving like this so that we speed up the process. 

Moronic idea, on par with chopping your nose to spite your face.

I am not pro-Hindi institutionalization all over India. But getting rid of Hindi in education is only going to harm the future students by preventing easy access learning to the most prevalent language in India. 

When i went to school, every school had 3 languages. English mediums had English as 1st and then a second language (usually mother tongue) and a third language (usually Hindi, if Hindi is not mother tongue). 

we also had plenty of students in my days who took Hindi as second language, despite it not being our mother tongue. Me (a bong) and my tamil buddy from high school had to explain to our friends for years on end, that we are coming out ahead of them by doing the switch : We are just as fluent as the in our mother tongue, due to speaking it at home, but we ended up way, way more competent in Hindi than they did taking 

it as 3rd language.

 

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49 minutes ago, surajmal said:

Southies love English so much... Then why do all the accomplished Indian english writers belong to rest of the country? Hell I'm pretty sure even BIMARU states are better in this aspect (forget MH,Dilli and Bongland). 

RK Narayan, Arvind Adiga to name a few. Not all how learn english go on to become writers. But the debate is about language of communication for daily use.

 

The max number of Gnanapith Awards is for Kannada after Hindi. It is not a well known fact. 

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19 hours ago, surajmal said:

Why is it hard for southies to understand that English can't be the link language of India? 

because English is a very close second in terms of 'non mother tongue language in India' and there is no other language even remotely close to English, except for Hindi, for this status. Hence English is a legitimate candidate for link language, especially since it does not come with regional politics baggage.

 

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36 minutes ago, surajmal said:

As a third language, I'm sure no one will have a problem. Problem lies with Southern govts. Why havent they done anything with regards to spreading their languages? 

 

Hence English. A third language that comes bereft of regional politics and irridentism in India today.

 

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13 hours ago, Mariyam said:

@The Outsider

 

I agree with the gist of your post. However, when your example of forcing Hindi in Maithili speaking regions of Bihar isn't apt. Most Maithili speakers always spoke some kind of Hindi/Urdu/Hindustani as a second language. Moreover, Maithili and Hindi are mutually intelligible languages. To a Maithili speaker, it wouldn't seem that much of an imposition.

 

Kannada and Hindi are however, not mutually intelligible and people would hence object to Hindi a lot more than they did in Bihar.

That's true. I wasn't trying to equate the level of opposition in the two cases though, rather giving an example of how majoritarian agendas can cannibalize local cultures if they are not accorded explicit protections. 

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Speaking from a Tamil outlook, English is more familiar and easier to learn for us than Hindi. There is a historical basis for this. North Indian dynasties and kingdoms (be it the Mughals or the Hindu rulers) had never really had a strong foothold in the currently defined Tamil Nadu region. They might've ruled TN in very brief periods from time to time. But, unfortunately for them (and fortunately for us), those brief periods of rule weren't enough to propagate Hindi usage substantially, in our lands. So historically, we'd always been speaking only Tamil, that is until the British arrived.

So before the British, there was only Tamil in Tamil Nadu. But ever since the British had imposed English, we became a mix of both Tamil and English. Hindi has never ever been a part of the big picture in Tamil Nadu. Ever since the British arrived, English is and has always been more familiar to us than Hindi, although both are equally foreign languages to us. So when India gained independence, suddenly we were being imposed with yet another language, aka Hindi, which seemed to contradict the idea of independence. When the British imposed English, you could say it was sort of justified as we were a colony of theirs and were ruled by them in an almost autocratic manner. But after 1947, there was supposed freedom, and yet, another language was being thrust on us, almost like we were a colony of the Hindi speakers. You may understand now why secessionist movements such as Dravida Nadu were heightened in the 60s at the peak of Hindi imposition by the Union Government. North Indians insisting that everyone in the country speak Hindi only makes them look like they have some sort of authority over us, which goes against the fundamental ideas on which this country was established. Equality and freedom.

We embrace English as a link language for several reasons, one of them being the fact that it's simply more familiar to us than Hindi. All this colonial mindset bullcrap talk needs to be struck down. How is that we have a colonial mindset when we speak English, but somehow, it's totally fine to play cricket, which incidentally is a game introduced to us by the British?

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^^
very well put.

Just because Hindi is a language originating within the confines of India,from a particular region and represents the slight majority overall, does not by default make it the best suited link language for India.

 

true sign of being 'liberated' from colonialism,is to be free from its effect- chose or discard ideas based on its merits and applicability. to shun ideas, by default, because its foreign/from the colonials, is indicative of a colonized mind, who is living the 'chip on their shoulder lives'.

 

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btw, this whole Hindi vs English is childish nationalism version of own goal. 

English and Hindi are the two biggest L2 languages in the world. L2 meaning, second language, where its not first language learnt/at home but fluent in the L2 language to a degree nearly indistinguishable with first language speakers.

English is at 611 million L2 speakers and Hindi is at 215 million. 

What this means, is with English + Hindi combo, one has the greatest outreach to foreigners of said language. 

together, English stands at almost 1 billion speakers, Hindi at just over half a billion. 

We have the greatest diversity language combo as well as 20% of humanity at our fingertips. Yet, we wanna score own-goal by trying to pick and choose between one or another in official status and influence education. sorry, thats just rubbish, childish thinking.

 

this kind of issues show both the fickle-ness of India and the irony of its existence: it desperately wants to break out from Islamic-influence/dependence on Islamic nations as well as fight off China and 'free' tibet, yet  these are the only two things that are keeping India together as 1 nation- its beauty, warts and all. 

 

I seriously can't imagine some parts of India ever 'needing or wanting' to be with India, if India was in the position of USA today ( i.e., geo-strategically secure, rich & powerful) and promptly breaking away due to these kinda silly provocations and over-reactions galore. 

this is because Indian 'nationalism' is yet to grow in public consciousness as a 'statism' concept. Instead, we mostly see nationalism as 'ethnic superiorism/promotion, where we promote one or a few ethnic habits as normative habits of majority of society. 

 

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5 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Moronic idea, on par with chopping your nose to spite your face.

I am not pro-Hindi institutionalization all over India. But getting rid of Hindi in education is only going to harm the future students by preventing easy access learning to the most prevalent language in India. 

When i went to school, every school had 3 languages. English mediums had English as 1st and then a second language (usually mother tongue) and a third language (usually Hindi, if Hindi is not mother tongue). 

we also had plenty of students in my days who took Hindi as second language, despite it not being our mother tongue. Me (a bong) and my tamil buddy from high school had to explain to our friends for years on end, that we are coming out ahead of them by doing the switch : We are just as fluent as the in our mother tongue, due to speaking it at home, but we ended up way, way more competent in Hindi than they did taking 

it as 3rd language.

 

There's should be a mutual effort when it comes to promoting our languages. What are they doing in order to help grow our languages? Just because you took Hindi doesn't mean a thing to rest of us. Anyways Sanskrit is more popular with the students nowadays. 

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Must admit with all the IT boom and MNCs, Bangalore may have developed as a city but the mentality of people has not changed. Bangalore like Mumbai/Delhi is a cosmopolitan city. So its obvious, people from all over the country to come there for job, family, tourism or pleasure. Its not anybody's personal property. They are there on their individual right being an Indian and no one can or should force them to learn Kannada if they don't want to. Bangalore is no rural village where only local people resides.

 

No one is forcing you to speak in hindi, its your personal matter. Similarly, you cannot expect all North Indians to speak or embrace Kannada language. Its their personal choice too, correct na?

 

There are thousands and thousands of South Indians live in UK. In fact there are many Telugu/Kannada samithis here where members meet up, organize puja's, celebrate festivals etc. I think its a fantastic gesture. But the hypocrisy is, you want to embrace your culture when living overseas but want North Indians to learn Kannada moment they start living in Bangalore. LOL.

 

Tell me once incident you heard in Delhi/Chandigarh/Kolkata etc. where Southern people are treated unfairly. We take pride in them. But I can give ample examples of unfair treatment towards North Indians. In 2012, North Eastern people being beaten up and made to flee the city. There was no BJP govt back then. There are pubs in Bangalore where African students are not allowed. And now they are removing hindi sign boards from metro. How low can one get?I can understand if someone replace their local language with Hindi that is an issue. But what is the harm of having 3 language sign boards? All railway signboards in North India has Eng, Hindi and Urdu. All signboards in Bengal (my home state) has Eng, Bengali and Hindi. Why cant you guys have 3 languages? This is beyond silly and borderline racism.

 

Also, you can cry loud as much as you want that Hindi is not our national language but no one can deny its the most spoken language in India. Even our constitution is written in Eng and Hindi. So the argument of why Delhi metro don't have Kannada signboards is silly. I can also argue why there are no Bengali signboards, Gujratis would want Gujju signboards...so on and so forth. This is plain stupid.

 

Another failed effort by Congress. Any state where Congress is ruling is progressing in India?

 

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46 minutes ago, Lannister said:

There's should be a mutual effort when it comes to promoting our languages. What are they doing in order to help grow our languages? Just because you took Hindi doesn't mean a thing to rest of us. Anyways Sanskrit is more popular with the students nowadays. 

Note that people from Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab, Rajashtan, etc. are not asking Southern states to learn their language. People of these states have accepted Hindi as Linga Franca and made an effort to learn it. People expect states from South to take a step forward as well 

 

These states are not asking to promote their regional languages. And these languages are official languages as well just like languages in the South 

 

:smile:

 

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

Note that people from Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab, Rajashtan, etc. are not asking Southern states to learn their language. People of these states have accepted Hindi as Linga Franca and made an effort to learn it. People expect states from South to take a step forward as well 

 

These states are not asking to promote their regional languages. And these languages are official languages as well just like languages in the South 

 

:smile:

 

Your point being? Here in south people have opted for English over Hindi. Its as simple as that. 

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Your point being? Here in south people have opted for English over Hindi. Its as simple as that. 

 

The point being that in South...even North Indians live. Unless you are saying that North Indians are not welcome in Bangalore at all or they have to learn Kannada if they live there. Thats a dangerous mindset if you think that way.

 

Again, what is wrong with having 3 languages - Eng, hindi and kannada?

 

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9 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Your point being? Here in south people have opted for English over Hindi. Its as simple as that. 

Union govt has listed both Hindi and Eng as its official languages so there is no option to pick. Signs, esp at key places, should ideally be in all 3 languages (or more if a state requires more local languages)

 

I rate my mother tongue higher than other languages. But that does not stop me from accepting Hindi as linga franca in Ind .... Let's not forget how weird Eng pronunciation can get in Ind. People may think they speak in Eng but the listener may think otherwise

 

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41 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Your point being? Here in south people have opted for English over Hindi. Its as simple as that. 

And that could be one of the reasons why English exists in North India - for the South Indian People who have opted for " English " . 

 

Likewise you have to make room for the language which North Indians have opted for - Hindi .

 

In South India ,

 

First Preference ( Regional Language) 

Second Preference (  English - Language opted by Southies) 

Third Preference ( Hindi - Language opted by Northies) 

 

In North India,  

 

First Preference ( Regional Language) 

Second Preference (  Hindi - Language opted by Northies) 

Third Preference ( English - Language opted by Southie) 

 

Can't get simpler than that. 

 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

Note that people from Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab, Rajashtan, etc. are not asking Southern states to learn their language. People of these states have accepted Hindi as Linga Franca and made an effort to learn it. People expect states from South to take a step forward as well 

 

All of the states you've mentioned have languages which are very closely related to Hindi, either by script or by speech. That is perhaps one of the reasons Hindi is quite easy to pick up for North Indians. In the south however, it's an entirely different language family. There are no intricate similarities between Hindi and say, Tamil, whereas Hindi and Marathi use the same script and share a lot of common vocabulary. Logically, it is much easier for Marathis to pick up Hindi than it is for South Indians.

 

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These states are not asking to promote their regional languages. And these languages are official languages as well just like languages in the South 

This is happening at a cost. You can virtually survive anywhere in Bombay with just Hindi. Pretty soon, there won't any relevance for Marathi there and everyone will be speaking either Hindi or English. And for some reason, they don't seem to care about their language dying. Kannadigas became woke at least now and are trying to preserve Kannada by eliminating Hindi imposition. You never know, Marathis may  follow their lead in future.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

And what is wrong if the sign has Kannada, English and Hindi on it?   

Well the News is that a mere mention of Hindi alongside the Regional Language and English is apparently a case of " Hindi Imposition " and disrespecting the culture of the Locals. 

 

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8 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

 

Well the News is that a mere mention of Hindi alongside the Regional Language and English is apparently a case of " Hindi Imposition " and disrespecting the culture of the Locals. 

 

I can understand if its country bumpkins who are impressionable and fall for that kind of silly logic.  But @coffee_rules has been around for a while on ICF, he's not an idiot.  So him spouting this kind of silly regional nonsense didn't make sense to me.  

 

Hindi's not my native tongue either, but what's really the big deal in accepting it along with English as the other interstate language?   

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1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

The point being that in South...even North Indians live. Unless you are saying that North Indians are not welcome in Bangalore at all or they have to learn Kannada if they live there. Thats a dangerous mindset if you think that way.

 

Again, what is wrong with having 3 languages - Eng, hindi and kannada?

 

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I didn't say any such things. Even without Hindi it's still possible to co-exist like we have been doing all these years. Just that don't expect us/support to learn Hindi if you are not willing to learn other languages. 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

Union govt has listed both Hindi and Eng as its official languages so there is no option to pick. Signs, esp at key places, should ideally be in all 3 languages (or more if a state requires more local languages)

 

The reason they have included English is keeping in mind that there are majority of people who don't even speak Hindi. We have decided our official language based on our convenience and our education system.

1 hour ago, zen said:

I rate my mother tongue higher than other languages. But that does not stop me from accepting Hindi as linga franca in Ind

 It's good for you that you have accepted Hindi, but we will decide what's best for our state.  

1 hour ago, zen said:

Let's not forget how weird Eng pronunciation can get in Ind. People may think they speak in Eng but the listener may think otherwise

And who are these listeners?  

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I didn't say any such things. Even without Hindi it's still possible to co-exist like we have been doing all these years. Just that don't expect us/support to learn Hindi if you are not willing to learn other languages. 

 

No one is asking you to learn hindi...read my post again. On the comtrary South Indians are forcing people to learn their language. How is having sign boards in 3 languages is forcing you to learn hindi? Isnt it the opposite, that people who dnt understand Kannada or English, you are imposing a language on them? Dnt be stupid now...you are simply ranting without addressing the core issue.

 

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51 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

In North India,  

 

First Preference ( Regional Language) 

Second Preference (  Hindi - Language opted by Northies) 

Third Preference ( English - Language opted by Southie) 

Shouldn't it be our regional language? :whack3:

Let's just say Hindi is your regional language and we, the people of Karnataka, demand you to learn Kannada as your third language. 

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30 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

On the comtrary South Indians are forcing people to learn their language.

Now you are the one acting stupid. You guys need to sort out your pathetic attitude, first, towards other cultures and languages and try not to speak lies. 

 

35 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

How is having sign boards in 3 languages is forcing you to learn hindi?

Did you even read my post? I was talking about how we had to learn Hindi in our schools while you get the free pass. 

 

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Just now, Lannister said:

Now you are the one acting stupid. You guys need to sort out your pathetic attitude, first, towards other cultures and languages and try not to speak lies. 

 

Did you even read my post? I was talking about how we had to learn Hindi in our schools while you get the free pass. 

 

Hindi is toughest subject and least scoring subject in North India. Specially if Hindi is taken as first language. Ask anyone who did gcse with Hindi as language. English and Sanskrit is preferred.

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Did you even read my post? I was talking about how we had to learn Hindi in our schools while you get the free pass. 

 

 

Who are you that you referring to? Bhai hindi is not my mother tongue either. It was as tough for me to learn as it was perhaps for you. And as far as I know no college/school in South India mandate you to learn hindi. I have many frnds from South. English is the main language and 2nd language is a choice between Kannada, Hindi or Sanskrit.

 

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15 minutes ago, mishra said:

Hindi is toughest subject and least scoring subject in North India. Specially if Hindi is taken as first language. Ask anyone who did gcse with Hindi as language. English and Sanskrit is preferred.

Kannada, English and Sanskrit are the most preferred languages here. I will not be surprised if they completely drop Hindi from the curriculum and that's totally fine. 

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11 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Who are you that you referring to? Bhai hindi is not my mother tongue either. It was as tough for me to learn as it was perhaps for you. And as far as I know no college/school in South India mandate you to learn hindi. I have many frnds from South. English is the main language and 2nd language is a choice between Kannada, Hindi or Sanskrit.

 

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No, Hindi is still a mandatory subject from class one to seventh. But I guess they will be changing that rule very time soon. 

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No, Hindi is still a mandatory subject from class one to seventh. But I guess they will be changing that rule very time soon. 

 

Ofcourse that rule needs to be changed if its true. Even in other states in India like Bengal...Hindi is not mandatory in schools.

 

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13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

No, Hindi is still a mandatory subject from class one to seventh. But I guess they will be changing that rule very time soon. 

Good,  but First Start by removing Hindi from Namma Metro Stations. One Step at a time. 

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1 hour ago, Lannister said:

The reason they have included English is keeping in mind that there are majority of people who don't even speak Hindi. We have decided our official language based on our convenience and our education system.

 It's good for you that you have accepted Hindi, but we will decide what's best for our state.  

And who are these listeners?  

There should be no problem in adding Hindi, which is I am repeating one of the two official union govt languages 

 

You can decide for your state. The center will decide what should be included for the rest of the country so we would have national level languages besides local languages (decided by your state) 

 

People like me, who have hard time in understanding Eng spoken by many in Ind. For e.g. many people refer to career (ka-re-year / ke rir) as carrier (a person or thing that carries) 

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