The myths propagated by Sachin detractors

[Sujithmb13]

First let me say u.I am not his fan.I like Dada and Yuvi more.Also I feel Kohli might overtake him in Lois by the time he finishes his career.But I have no doubts that little master was the Greatest batsman.Some of the myths propagated by his detractors. 

He was not a match winner-The most ridiculous claim against him.He has more than double the number of man of the matches than the acclaimed match winners like Sehwag,yuvi and Dhoni.Mostly the award is given to the match winning knocks.Yes he played more matches but didn't play double the amount of matches than those guys.

 

He is selfish: Another bizzare claim by his detractors.The only century I remember which ended in defeat because of his slow innings was the knock against bangla.How can a batsman with a strike of 85 can be called selfish when all other batsmen in his era like Ganguly,azhar,Dravid and jadega had strike rate of 70.

 

Kambli was more talented:This is the most stupid.I have seen Kambli play.He was nowhere near Sachin as a stroke maker.He just had some fluid looking shots.He was terrible against short balls.May be to an extent I might agree Lara was more of a raw talent than him but not Kamblis and Pontings.

He fails in big matches:I still remember the weakest squad ever in 1996.He was literally the best player till semi. Even in semis he was on fire and Jayasuriya happened.I still feel he should have won the best player award.If not for him we wouldn't have reached the semis.In 1999 he was decent but definitely Dada and Dravid had better overall tournament. In 2003 every one's eye was on sehwag after the nz tour and he was the big thing then but in the tournament he completely outplayed others.He was best player by a mile.Yes he failed in finals.In 2007 he flopped(His first real failure in world cup).In 2011 he was India's best batsman again though he lost his natural flair.So a player who was the reason for the WC record against Pakistan.3times the best batsman for the team and 2 times the best player 's big match ability being questioned is laughable.

 

Now comes the biggest myth of all:Rahul Dravid is a better player overseas.Except for England,Pls check the record of both in Aus,Nz,Sa .Sachin is way ahead.

 

Now he is not flawed.He failed in 2 WC finals,was average in 4th innings of tests,Failed to finish matches like 99 chennai test and 2009 vs Australia inspite of scoring more than half of the runs.But He is the greatest.

 

Now on a personal note which part of his career impressed me the most.It was an IPL tournament .2010.It was not the right age for sachin to prove his Arsenal.Dada and Dravid were struggling to cope with the pace of it.But he became the best batsman overshadowing young guns like Raina and Rohit.

 

[sourab10forever]

 

[Tibarn]

[Trichromatic]

Ok.

Arguments by Sachin fans

1. Dravid was better player overseas

Sachin Fans: Check records in other countries

Detractors: Dravid more crucial knocks overseas and was part of wins there.

Sachin Fans: Matches are not won by individual. You know it's team game. When Sachin plays well, team lets him down.

Detractors: Well that's the case with many players, but then you see SRT with average of 63 in 10 matches won in Aus, Eng, NZ, Pak and SA and then you see Dravid with avg of 78 in those countries with 10 50+ scores in 13 wins, you know who is better when it comes to contributing in rare wins.

 

[Sujithmb13]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Ok.

Arguments by Sachin fans

1. Dravid was better player overseas

Sachin Fans: Check records in other countries

Detractors: Dravid more crucial knocks overseas and was part of wins there.

Sachin Fans: Matches are not won by individual. You know it's team game. When Sachin plays well, team lets him down.

Detractors: Well that's the case with many players, but then you see SRT with average of 63 in 10 matches won in Aus, Eng, NZ, Pak and SA and then you see Dravid with avg of 78 in those countries with 10 50+ scores in 13 wins, you know who is better when it comes to contributing in rare wins.

 

See Dravid From 2000-2007 had been a better test player.I agree to that.But let's not forget test match is won by bowlers.Let's list out the famous wins overseas.

1.Win in headingly in 2002:It was a complete team performance from Sanjay bangar to Ganguly every one batted well.

Adelaide:2003.Yes truly Dravid's best as a test player.Contributed in both the innings and finished d match too.Herculean effort.But I would say India drew the series because  Dada gave the momentum in the very first test by not succumbing.

Wi series 2006:That was a big win.WI in their home was still better than what they are now.Credits to Dravid.It was one of his finest performances.

Johannesburg 2007: The man whose career was on stake(Dada) fought it out with the best spell by an Indian(Sreesanth) in my recent memory.

 

2007 series win in England.From Dinesh Karthik to Dhoni everyone did well in that series.The most memorable series overseas imo.

 

2007 Perth win:The robbery of Sydney hurt us and we showed lot of character and Sehwag's revival started here.

 

2009 win in nz:A great team effort

 

2010 drawn series in SA:Sachin just showed why he was the most complete batsman by winning the contest easily against Steyn.

 

So basically Dravid won 2 matches on his own.I respect him.Ppl respect him for his grit,determination and dedication but it doesn't mean his admirers should despise the little master by making some generic claims.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Sujithmb13

[New guy]

Sachin has retired. Lets talk about Kohli and Dhoni now

[velu]

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First let me say u.I am not his fan.I like Dada and Yuvi more.

 

ok

[Sujithmb13]

18 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin has retired. Lets talk about Kohli and Dhoni now

Meh.Would rather speak about yuvi  or Rohit .I know they are inconsistent as hell.But much more beautiful and pleasing to watch than those machines :P

Edited July 27, 2017 by Sujithmb13

[Trichromatic]

50 minutes ago, Sujithmb13 said:

See Dravid From 2000-2007 had been a better test player.I agree to that.But let's not forget test match is won by bowlers.Let's list out the famous wins overseas.

So basically Dravid won 2 matches on his own.I respect him.Ppl respect him for his grit,determination and dedication but it doesn't mean his admirers should despise the little master by making some generic claims.

And how many from Sachin? 0, that too without after playing most number of matches.

[velu]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

And how many from Sachin? 0, that too without after playing most number of matches.

 

 

[kira]

Sachin is the greatest player to have played the game of cricket ever, a lion doesn't care about the opinions of sheep, there is no need argue with losers who throw mud at sachin, let them burn while sachin will be hailed as the greatest. #GODofcricket.

[velu]

44 minutes ago, kira said:

Sachin is the greatest player to have played the game of cricket ever, a lion doesn't care about the opinions of sheep, there is no need argue with losers who throw mud at sachin, let them burn while sachin will be hailed as the greatest. #GODofcricket.

 

lion was upset when his innigns was declared at 194

he maybe the greatest for his fanboys .. no doubts 

[sourab10forever]

1 hour ago, velu said:

 

lion was upset when his innigns was declared at 194

he maybe the greatest for his fanboys .. no doubts 

What a dumb reply..

[velu]

8 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

What a dumb reply..

then burn is real 

[Sujithmb13]

2 hours ago, kira said:

Sachin is the greatest player to have played the game of cricket ever, a lion doesn't care about the opinions of sheep, there is no need argue with losers who throw mud at sachin, let them burn while sachin will be hailed as the greatest. #GODofcricket.

Yes he is the greatest but might be ppl wouldn't dare to compare him with anyone else if he hadn't got the tennis elbow injury.He would have been unreachable now.Before that he really was a mix of Gavaskar and Richards(It's no exaggeration).The way he used to come down the track to hit warne all around the park. That fun was missing in his last phase.I really believe that at 18 he had better technique than any other Indian cricketer

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, Sujithmb13 said:

Yes he is the greatest but might be ppl wouldn't dare to compare him with anyone else if he hadn't got the tennis elbow injury.He would have been unreachable now.Before that he really was a mix of Gavaskar and Richards(It's no exaggeration).The way he used to come down the track to hit warne all around the park. That fun was missing in his last phase.I really believe that at 18 he had better technique than any other Indian cricketer

He is an ATG, but some of those myths by detractors may not really be a myth. 

[renjith]

Normally the debate happens between people who watched him during the 90s vs who watched him post 2000. Both are in a sense right. Sachin was a class apart during the first half of his career. He turned into a mere accumulator in the second half.

[Temujin Khaghan]

Pak fans hate him so much that they started loving Dravid just to show that they are not hating on sachin just because he is Indian (actual reason). So something good came out of that in the end.

[Austin 3:!6]

Only Pak fans and Indian brown-nosers say Sachin is not a match winner. Don't pay much attention to them. Tendulkar is 2nd greatest batsman after Bradman the game has ever seen, whether anyone like it or not...its a fact. But yes Sachinistas (like @Laaloo  ) etc are bit irritating and hence the man himself get lot of flak sometimes.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Austin 3:!6

[bleaf27]

What I find funny when people say sachin isn't a match winner based on how he performed in the "finals" while disregarding how he carried the team into the finals in the first place... 

Sachin stood tall in 1996wc,  2003 wc against pak,  against australia in Sharjah and carried India in wc final in 2011 against pak In SF.