50 not out for Che Pujara,how you rate him till now?

[SK_IH]

Personally has been average.I thought he was special player when i watched him play that brilliant innings against aus chasing.But injuries earlier on and lack of runs overseas so far apart from SA means, he has lot to prove ,hopefully he does because he is a special player.Mind you averages more than 50 in test cricket.

[sourab10forever]

4/5 in the subcontinent

3/5 outside 

[Sandeep99]

Just needs to come good in the coming overseas tours and he will be certified a great. Lovely player. Hard to hate as a person. Gem.

[putrevus]

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

[zaqw222222]

He is really good in subcontinent but he needs to perform abroad also. Hope he improves the abroad record also

[rahulrulezz]

I like him as a person and in SC conditions against spin he is one of the best. But his inability to rotate strike even after getting set is what disappoints me. He waits for the bad balls to score runs and against quality attacks, there won't be many bad balls. And it only takes 1 good ball to get out. 

 

Regardless, he really needs to work on his strike rotation and need to add 'a bit more' xfactor to his game as modern test cricket has evolved. 

 

 

[sandeep]

18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

Every player has his own matrix of strengths and weaknesses.  Another issue with Puj is his weakness against the incoming delivery at pace.   Although that delivery will trouble most batsmen.   

 

Bottomline, every top test team needs to have guys in the top order who can bat time - Pujara and Vijay are the 2 guys who I would trust to bat time in a pressure situation - the rest although more fluent and better at scoring quickly are just not solid enough.  ChePu brings a lot of value to the test team.   If we do have to consider sacking VK as captain in tests in the next 3-5 years, I would consider him as a serious candidate for captaincy - he's in the first 2 names you write down for the test XI as a batsman.  

[zen]

As Kumble said in tests SR are for bowlers .... leave test cricket, including watching it, to specialists .... please follow LOIs 

[The Dark Horse]

I don't know why people are still harping on his strike rate. 

I rate him as the most dependable batsman at home. Vijay comes close. Outside he needs to prove his worth.

 

[The Dark Horse]

57 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

Dravid can face 100 deliveries without scoring a run and not take any pressure. Pujara is such a batsman and with him and Vijay it'll add balance to the lineup.

[Tibarn]

I voted for the good/average option, but good is the correct choice. I can't argue with someone who says his career has been great as well, as there is plenty of evidence for it (2nd fastest to 4k runs, 52+ average, lots of tons scored, and some signature innings like as opener when we toured last time).

 

I personally wouldn't say great, solely because his overall average outside of Asia isn't up to the mark IMO. I am fully confident that he can correct his record this time around in our overseas tour leg. Once he does that, he will be in the category of ATG.

[putrevus]

46 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Every player has his own matrix of strengths and weaknesses.  Another issue with Puj is his weakness against the incoming delivery at pace.   Although that delivery will trouble most batsmen.   

 

Bottomline, every top test team needs to have guys in the top order who can bat time - Pujara and Vijay are the 2 guys who I would trust to bat time in a pressure situation - the rest although more fluent and better at scoring quickly are just not solid enough.  ChePu brings a lot of value to the test team.   If we do have to consider sacking VK as captain in tests in the next 3-5 years, I would consider him as a serious candidate for captaincy - he's in the first 2 names you write down for the test XI as a batsman.  

While every player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Pujara in order to bridge the gap between good batsman to great category has to change his style.There was absolutely nothing about this bowling attack for him to go into that kind of shell.To his credit he really increased his tempo later in the innings.

 

Unfortunately for him he will be facing bowlers who are always on the kill.His pattern of going so slow will put so much pressure on his partners too.Ball will doing something for whole day in these countries.Unlike our fast bowlers who tend to give up after first spell other teams fast bowlers keep coming back and that is bad news for a guy like Pujara.

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

While every player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Pujara in order to bridge the gap between good batsman to great category has to change his style.There was absolutely nothing about this bowling attack for him to go into that kind of shell.To his credit he really increased his tempo later in the innings.

 

Unfortunately for him he will be facing bowlers who are always on the kill.His pattern of going so slow will put so much pressure on his partners too.Ball will doing something for whole day in these countries.Unlike our fast bowlers who tend to give up after first spell other teams fast bowlers keep coming back and that is bad news for a guy like Pujara.

Agree to disagree.  He can score plenty against pace once he's set.   Too bad Chepu doesn't line up with some mythical batsman that you have in your mind.   

[Ankit_sharma03]

Has to perform overseas, beast in subcontinent .

Best player of spin bowling in current team

Edited August 3, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03

[Vilander]

the guy who voted along with me for Hitman is Bari_olu lol...

 

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Dravid can face 100 deliveries without scoring a run and not take any pressure. Pujara is such a batsman and with him and Vijay it'll add balance to the lineup.

How many places has Dravid succeeded in playing these match winning roles, he struggled in SA and Australia bar one series where they did not have their main bowlers.England he did very  well but they only had good teams in 2011 series.

 

It is not about Strike rate alone, it is about him scoring runs occupying crease will not yield runs.You are mistaken if you think Dravid did not put any pressure on himself or his partners. Go look at highlights of Sydney 2008 test and the relief on his face after getting off the strike.

 

Dravid was great batsman but he did struggle in SA and Australia.

[Tibarn]

The strike rate argument I don't really get. Based on statsguru:

Pujara: overall career strike rate 48

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	2010-2017	12	22	2	1101	204	55.05	2283	48.22	2	6	1	129	1
v Bangladesh	2017-2017	1	2	1	137	83	137.00	235	58.29	0	2	0	15	1
v England	2012-2016	14	25	2	1061	206*	46.13	2204	48.13	4	2	1	133	2
v New Zealand	2012-2016	7	13	1	649	159	54.08	1353	47.96	2	3	0	84	2
v South Africa	2010-2015	8	13	0	513	153	39.46	1138	45.07	1	2	0	63	2
v Sri Lanka	2015-2017	3	5	2	441	153	147.00	816	54.04	3	0	1	39	1
v West Indies	2013-2016	5	4	0	192	113	48.00	429	44.75	1	0	0	18	0
in Australia	2014-2014	3	6	0	201	73	33.50	471	42.67	0	1	0	26	0
in England	2014-2014	5	10	0	222	55	22.20	510	43.52	0	1	1	32	0
in India	2010-2017	30	50	6	2797	206*	63.56	5537	50.51	9	12	1	334	7
in New Zealand	2014-2014	2	4	0	60	23	15.00	183	32.78	0	0	0	6	1
in South Africa	2010-2013	4	7	0	311	153	44.42	715	43.49	1	1	0	40	0
in Sri Lanka	2015-2017	3	5	2	441	153	147.00	816	54.04	3	0	1	39	1
in West Indies	2016-2016	3	2	0	62	46	31.00	226	27.43	0	0	0	4	0

 

Dravid: overall strike rate 42

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28114.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
ICC World XI	2005-2005	1	2	0	23	23	11.50	74	31.08	0	0	1	3	0
India	1996-2012	163	284	32	13265	270	52.63	31184	42.53	36	63	7	1651	21
v Australia	1996-2012	33	62	6	2166	233	38.67	5506	39.33	2	13	4	269	4
v Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	10	2	560	160	70.00	942	59.44	3	1	1	76	2
v England	1996-2011	21	37	5	1950	217	60.93	4715	41.35	7	8	1	253	0
v New Zealand	1998-2010	15	28	2	1659	222	63.80	3668	45.22	6	6	1	223	2
v Pakistan	1999-2007	15	26	3	1236	270	53.73	2732	45.24	5	3	1	162	3
v South Africa	1996-2011	21	40	3	1252	148	33.83	3591	34.86	2	5	0	164	0
v Sri Lanka	1997-2010	20	32	1	1508	177	48.64	3245	46.47	3	9	0	176	4
v West Indies	1997-2011	23	38	7	1978	146	63.80	4878	40.54	5	13	0	205	5
v Zimbabwe	1998-2005	9	13	3	979	200*	97.90	1981	49.41	3	5	0	126	1
in Australia	1999-2012	16	32	4	1166	233	41.64	2946	39.57	1	6	2	136	2
in Bangladesh	2000-2010	7	10	2	560	160	70.00	942	59.44	3	1	1	76	2
in England	1996-2011	13	23	3	1376	217	68.80	3081	44.66	6	4	0	186	0
in India	1996-2011	70	120	11	5598	222	51.35	13207	42.38	15	27	3	681	12
in New Zealand	1998-2009	7	14	2	766	190	63.83	1753	43.69	2	5	1	117	1
in Pakistan	2004-2006	6	9	2	550	270	78.57	1077	51.06	3	0	1	76	1
in South Africa	1996-2011	11	22	1	624	148	29.71	1658	37.63	1	2	0	83	0
in Sri Lanka	1997-2010	12	21	1	662	107	33.10	1630	40.61	1	4	0	74	0
in West Indies	1997-2011	17	28	5	1511	146	65.69	3934	38.40	3	11	0	163	3
in Zimbabwe	1998-2005	5	7	1	475	118	79.16	1030	46.11	1	3	0	62	0

 

 

Laxman: overall strike rate 49

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/30750.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	1998-2012	29	54	5	2434	281	49.67	4480	54.33	6	12	3	338	0
v Bangladesh	2004-2010	3	4	1	117	69*	39.00	172	68.02	0	1	0	13	0
v England	2001-2011	17	28	3	766	75	30.64	1696	45.16	0	6	2	103	0
v New Zealand	2002-2010	10	17	3	818	124*	58.42	1810	45.19	2	6	2	112	1
v Pakistan	1999-2007	15	25	7	775	112*	43.05	1532	50.58	1	6	2	105	1
v South Africa	1996-2011	19	31	5	976	143*	37.53	2044	47.74	1	6	1	126	2
v Sri Lanka	1999-2010	13	22	3	900	104	47.36	1884	47.77	2	8	1	98	0
v West Indies	1997-2011	22	36	6	1715	176*	57.16	3741	45.84	4	11	3	194	0
v Zimbabwe	2000-2005	6	8	1	280	140	40.00	426	65.72	1	0	0	46	1
in Australia	1999-2012	15	29	1	1236	178	44.14	2364	52.28	4	4	2	165	0
in Bangladesh	2004-2010	3	4	1	117	69*	39.00	172	68.02	0	1	0	13	0
in England	2002-2011	11	19	2	586	74	34.47	1243	47.14	0	5	0	79	0
in India	1996-2011	57	91	18	3767	281	51.60	7710	48.85	8	24	7	478	2
in New Zealand	2002-2009	5	9	1	322	124*	40.25	649	49.61	1	2	2	56	0
in Pakistan	2004-2006	6	9	2	262	90	37.42	503	52.08	0	2	0	34	0
in South Africa	1997-2011	10	18	4	566	96	40.42	1192	47.48	0	4	0	76	2
in Sri Lanka	1999-2010	7	13	2	530	103*	48.18	1060	50.00	1	4	0	51	0
in West Indies	1997-2011	16	27	3	1146	130	47.75	2535	45.20	2	10	3	142	0
in Zimbabwe	2001-2005	4	6	0	249	140	41.50	357	69.74	1	0	0	41	1

 

 

Cricinfo didn't have strike rates for Sachin, so I couldn't post his here. 

 

So, if we look at the strike rates, we can see that Pujara has a similar career strike rate as Laxman, 48 vs 49, and both have quicker rates than Dravid 42. We can see Pujara's strike rate is skewed toward Asia where he scored at an over 50 strike rate as in Ind/SL, but a lower one overseas. However, his overseas strike rate, specifically in Aus/Eng/SA is actually more rapid than Dravid's. 

Pujara

SA: 43.49   AUS: 42.67  ENG: 43.52

Dravid

SA: 34.86   AUS: 39.57  ENG: 41.35

 

So Puj is more rapid than Dravid in all three of the above countries. Pujara simply needs to not get out, and start converting the starts he gets in those countries. 

[Mosher]

4 minutes ago, Vilander said:

the guy who voted along with me for Hitman is Bari_olu lol...

 

 

 

[putrevus]

58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agree to disagree.  He can score plenty against pace once he's set.   Too bad Chepu doesn't line up with some mythical batsman that you have in your mind.   

He has not shown he can score plenty against pace so far in his career.The only century he scored in SA was when Steyn or Morkel got hurt and Imran Tahir was bowling lollipops.

 His problem was not survival he was doing that just fine but scoring runs. I have always liked Pujara from day he showed his fearless approach in scoring 70 odd against Aussies.

I would take Pujara over any other current batsmen in world in subcontinent conditions.

[The Dark Horse]

52 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How many places has Dravid succeeded in playing these match winning roles, he struggled in SA and Australia bar one series where they did not have their main bowlers.England he did very  well but they only had good teams in 2011 series.

 

It is not about Strike rate alone, it is about him scoring runs occupying crease will not yield runs.You are mistaken if you think Dravid did not put any pressure on himself or his partners. Go look at highlights of Sydney 2008 test and the relief on his face after getting off the strike.

 

Dravid was great batsman but he did struggle in SA and Australia.

Everyone takes pressure I'm sorry I misused the words. I meant even under that stress he won't throw his wicket away and Pujara is similar. Still a long way to go to be compared with Dravid overseas.

Edited August 3, 2017 by The Dark Horse