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Pujara's Career so far?  

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  1. 1. Pujara's Career so far?

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Personally has been average.I thought he was special player when i watched him play that brilliant innings against aus chasing.But injuries earlier on and lack of runs overseas so far apart from SA means, he has lot to prove ,hopefully he does because he is a special player.Mind you averages more than 50 in test cricket.

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The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

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I like him as a person and in SC conditions against spin he is one of the best. But his inability to rotate strike even after getting set is what disappoints me. He waits for the bad balls to score runs and against quality attacks, there won't be many bad balls. And it only takes 1 good ball to get out. 

 

Regardless, he really needs to work on his strike rotation and need to add 'a bit more' xfactor to his game as modern test cricket has evolved. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

Every player has his own matrix of strengths and weaknesses.  Another issue with Puj is his weakness against the incoming delivery at pace.   Although that delivery will trouble most batsmen.   

 

Bottomline, every top test team needs to have guys in the top order who can bat time - Pujara and Vijay are the 2 guys who I would trust to bat time in a pressure situation - the rest although more fluent and better at scoring quickly are just not solid enough.  ChePu brings a lot of value to the test team.   If we do have to consider sacking VK as captain in tests in the next 3-5 years, I would consider him as a serious candidate for captaincy - he's in the first 2 names you write down for the test XI as a batsman.  

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57 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

Dravid can face 100 deliveries without scoring a run and not take any pressure. Pujara is such a batsman and with him and Vijay it'll add balance to the lineup.

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I voted for the good/average option, but good is the correct choice. I can't argue with someone who says his career has been great as well, as there is plenty of evidence for it (2nd fastest to 4k runs, 52+ average, lots of tons scored, and some signature innings like as opener when we toured last time).

 

I personally wouldn't say great, solely because his overall average outside of Asia isn't up to the mark IMO. I am fully confident that he can correct his record this time around in our overseas tour leg. Once he does that, he will be in the category of ATG.

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46 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Every player has his own matrix of strengths and weaknesses.  Another issue with Puj is his weakness against the incoming delivery at pace.   Although that delivery will trouble most batsmen.   

 

Bottomline, every top test team needs to have guys in the top order who can bat time - Pujara and Vijay are the 2 guys who I would trust to bat time in a pressure situation - the rest although more fluent and better at scoring quickly are just not solid enough.  ChePu brings a lot of value to the test team.   If we do have to consider sacking VK as captain in tests in the next 3-5 years, I would consider him as a serious candidate for captaincy - he's in the first 2 names you write down for the test XI as a batsman.  

While every player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Pujara in order to bridge the gap between good batsman to great category has to change his style.There was absolutely nothing about this bowling attack for him to go into that kind of shell.To his credit he really increased his tempo later in the innings.

 

Unfortunately for him he will be facing bowlers who are always on the kill.His pattern of going so slow will put so much pressure on his partners too.Ball will doing something for whole day in these countries.Unlike our fast bowlers who tend to give up after first spell other teams fast bowlers keep coming back and that is bad news for a guy like Pujara.

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

While every player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Pujara in order to bridge the gap between good batsman to great category has to change his style.There was absolutely nothing about this bowling attack for him to go into that kind of shell.To his credit he really increased his tempo later in the innings.

 

Unfortunately for him he will be facing bowlers who are always on the kill.His pattern of going so slow will put so much pressure on his partners too.Ball will doing something for whole day in these countries.Unlike our fast bowlers who tend to give up after first spell other teams fast bowlers keep coming back and that is bad news for a guy like Pujara.

Agree to disagree.  He can score plenty against pace once he's set.   Too bad Chepu doesn't line up with some mythical batsman that you have in your mind.   

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22 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Dravid can face 100 deliveries without scoring a run and not take any pressure. Pujara is such a batsman and with him and Vijay it'll add balance to the lineup.

How many places has Dravid succeeded in playing these match winning roles, he struggled in SA and Australia bar one series where they did not have their main bowlers.England he did very  well but they only had good teams in 2011 series.

 

It is not about Strike rate alone, it is about him scoring runs occupying crease will not yield runs.You are mistaken if you think Dravid did not put any pressure on himself or his partners. Go look at highlights of Sydney 2008 test and the relief on his face after getting off the strike.

 

Dravid was great batsman but he did struggle in SA and Australia.

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The strike rate argument I don't really get. Based on statsguru:

Pujara: overall career strike rate 48

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
v Australia 2010-2017 12 22 2 1101 204 55.05 2283 48.22 2 6 1 129 1 view innings
v Bangladesh 2017-2017 1 2 1 137 83 137.00 235 58.29 0 2 0 15 1 view innings
v England 2012-2016 14 25 2 1061 206* 46.13 2204 48.13 4 2 1 133 2 view innings
v New Zealand 2012-2016 7 13 1 649 159 54.08 1353 47.96 2 3 0 84 2 view innings
v South Africa 2010-2015 8 13 0 513 153 39.46 1138 45.07 1 2 0 63 2 view innings
v Sri Lanka 2015-2017 3 5 2 441 153 147.00 816 54.04 3 0 1 39 1 view innings
v West Indies 2013-2016 5 4 0 192 113 48.00 429 44.75 1 0 0 18 0 view innings
 
in Australia 2014-2014 3 6 0 201 73 33.50 471 42.67 0 1 0 26 0 view innings
in England 2014-2014 5 10 0 222 55 22.20 510 43.52 0 1 1 32 0 view innings
in India 2010-2017 30 50 6 2797 206* 63.56 5537 50.51 9 12 1 334 7 view innings
in New Zealand 2014-2014 2 4 0 60 23 15.00 183 32.78 0 0 0 6 1 view innings
in South Africa 2010-2013 4 7 0 311 153 44.42 715 43.49 1 1 0 40 0 view innings
in Sri Lanka 2015-2017 3 5 2 441 153 147.00 816 54.04 3 0 1 39 1 view innings
in West Indies 2016-2016 3 2 0 62 46 31.00 226 27.43 0 0 0 4 0

 

Dravid: overall strike rate 42

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28114.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
ICC World XI 2005-2005 1 2 0 23 23 11.50 74 31.08 0 0 1 3 0 view innings
India 1996-2012 163 284 32 13265 270 52.63 31184 42.53 36 63 7 1651 21 view innings
 
v Australia 1996-2012 33 62 6 2166 233 38.67 5506 39.33 2 13 4 269 4 view innings
v Bangladesh 2000-2010 7 10 2 560 160 70.00 942 59.44 3 1 1 76 2 view innings
v England 1996-2011 21 37 5 1950 217 60.93 4715 41.35 7 8 1 253 0 view innings
v New Zealand 1998-2010 15 28 2 1659 222 63.80 3668 45.22 6 6 1 223 2 view innings
v Pakistan 1999-2007 15 26 3 1236 270 53.73 2732 45.24 5 3 1 162 3 view innings
v South Africa 1996-2011 21 40 3 1252 148 33.83 3591 34.86 2 5 0 164 0 view innings
v Sri Lanka 1997-2010 20 32 1 1508 177 48.64 3245 46.47 3 9 0 176 4 view innings
v West Indies 1997-2011 23 38 7 1978 146 63.80 4878 40.54 5 13 0 205 5 view innings
v Zimbabwe 1998-2005 9 13 3 979 200* 97.90 1981 49.41 3 5 0 126 1 view innings
 
in Australia 1999-2012 16 32 4 1166 233 41.64 2946 39.57 1 6 2 136 2 view innings
in Bangladesh 2000-2010 7 10 2 560 160 70.00 942 59.44 3 1 1 76 2 view innings
in England 1996-2011 13 23 3 1376 217 68.80 3081 44.66 6 4 0 186 0 view innings
in India 1996-2011 70 120 11 5598 222 51.35 13207 42.38 15 27 3 681 12 view innings
in New Zealand 1998-2009 7 14 2 766 190 63.83 1753 43.69 2 5 1 117 1 view innings
in Pakistan 2004-2006 6 9 2 550 270 78.57 1077 51.06 3 0 1 76 1 view innings
in South Africa 1996-2011 11 22 1 624 148 29.71 1658 37.63 1 2 0 83 0 view innings
in Sri Lanka 1997-2010 12 21 1 662 107 33.10 1630 40.61 1 4 0 74 0 view innings
in West Indies 1997-2011 17 28 5 1511 146 65.69 3934 38.40 3 11 0 163 3 view innings
in Zimbabwe 1998-2005 5 7 1 475 118 79.16 1030 46.11 1 3 0 62 0

 

 

Laxman: overall strike rate 49

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/30750.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
v Australia 1998-2012 29 54 5 2434 281 49.67 4480 54.33 6 12 3 338 0 view innings
v Bangladesh 2004-2010 3 4 1 117 69* 39.00 172 68.02 0 1 0 13 0 view innings
v England 2001-2011 17 28 3 766 75 30.64 1696 45.16 0 6 2 103 0 view innings
v New Zealand 2002-2010 10 17 3 818 124* 58.42 1810 45.19 2 6 2 112 1 view innings
v Pakistan 1999-2007 15 25 7 775 112* 43.05 1532 50.58 1 6 2 105 1 view innings
v South Africa 1996-2011 19 31 5 976 143* 37.53 2044 47.74 1 6 1 126 2 view innings
v Sri Lanka 1999-2010 13 22 3 900 104 47.36 1884 47.77 2 8 1 98 0 view innings
v West Indies 1997-2011 22 36 6 1715 176* 57.16 3741 45.84 4 11 3 194 0 view innings
v Zimbabwe 2000-2005 6 8 1 280 140 40.00 426 65.72 1 0 0 46 1 view innings
 
in Australia 1999-2012 15 29 1 1236 178 44.14 2364 52.28 4 4 2 165 0 view innings
in Bangladesh 2004-2010 3 4 1 117 69* 39.00 172 68.02 0 1 0 13 0 view innings
in England 2002-2011 11 19 2 586 74 34.47 1243 47.14 0 5 0 79 0 view innings
in India 1996-2011 57 91 18 3767 281 51.60 7710 48.85 8 24 7 478 2 view innings
in New Zealand 2002-2009 5 9 1 322 124* 40.25 649 49.61 1 2 2 56 0 view innings
in Pakistan 2004-2006 6 9 2 262 90 37.42 503 52.08 0 2 0 34 0 view innings
in South Africa 1997-2011 10 18 4 566 96 40.42 1192 47.48 0 4 0 76 2 view innings
in Sri Lanka 1999-2010 7 13 2 530 103* 48.18 1060 50.00 1 4 0 51 0 view innings
in West Indies 1997-2011 16 27 3 1146 130 47.75 2535 45.20 2 10 3 142 0 view innings
in Zimbabwe 2001-2005 4 6 0 249 140 41.50 357 69.74 1 0 0 41 1

 

 

Cricinfo didn't have strike rates for Sachin, so I couldn't post his here. 

 

So, if we look at the strike rates, we can see that Pujara has a similar career strike rate as Laxman, 48 vs 49, and both have quicker rates than Dravid 42. We can see Pujara's strike rate is skewed toward Asia where he scored at an over 50 strike rate as in Ind/SL, but a lower one overseas. However, his overseas strike rate, specifically in Aus/Eng/SA is actually more rapid than Dravid's. 

Pujara

SA: 43.49   AUS: 42.67  ENG: 43.52

Dravid

SA: 34.86   AUS: 39.57  ENG: 41.35

 

So Puj is more rapid than Dravid in all three of the above countries. Pujara simply needs to not get out, and start converting the starts he gets in those countries. 

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58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agree to disagree.  He can score plenty against pace once he's set.   Too bad Chepu doesn't line up with some mythical batsman that you have in your mind.   

He has not shown he can score plenty against pace so far in his career.The only century he scored in SA was when Steyn or Morkel got hurt and Imran Tahir was bowling lollipops.

 His problem was not survival he was doing that just fine but scoring runs. I have always liked Pujara from day he showed his fearless approach in scoring 70 odd against Aussies.

I would take Pujara over any other current batsmen in world in subcontinent conditions.

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52 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How many places has Dravid succeeded in playing these match winning roles, he struggled in SA and Australia bar one series where they did not have their main bowlers.England he did very  well but they only had good teams in 2011 series.

 

It is not about Strike rate alone, it is about him scoring runs occupying crease will not yield runs.You are mistaken if you think Dravid did not put any pressure on himself or his partners. Go look at highlights of Sydney 2008 test and the relief on his face after getting off the strike.

 

Dravid was great batsman but he did struggle in SA and Australia.

Everyone takes pressure I'm sorry I misused the words. I meant even under that stress he won't throw his wicket away and Pujara is similar. Still a long way to go to be compared with Dravid overseas.

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24 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Everyone takes pressure I'm sorry I misused the words. I meant even under that stress he won't throw his wicket away and Pujara is similar. Still a long way to go to be compared with Dravid overseas.

People forget that until the 2003 tour to Oz, Dravid's numbers in Australia were quite poor.  Odds are, ChePu will improve his away numbers in due course as well.

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Its funny how much importance we give to batsmen/bowlers who do well "overseas"(read SA,Aus,Eng,NZ) but same doesnt apply to batsmen/bowlers from those countries and their performance in sub continent. Double standards.

Edited by kubrickian

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21 hours ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Pujara which was on display even today is his SR at the start of his innings.He simply gets stuck and is unable to even rotate strike which not only eases pressure on himself but put pressure back on bowlers.

 

If he has to depend on spinners and tiring bowlers to cash in he will have hard time scoring runs overseas.He will get out as good ball is always around the corner when playing in England, SA and Australia.

 

He cashed in on Steyn's absence for his only hundred in SA.His problem in England last time was not form but his total inability to keep the tempo going.

absence of Morkel, not Steyn. He still had to face Steyn, Philander, Kallis. Morkel is still inferior to Steyn and Philander.

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18 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Its funny how much importance we give to batsmen/bowlers who do well "overseas"(read SA,Aus,Eng,NZ) but same doesnt apply to batsmen/bowlers from those countries and their performance in sub continent. Double standards.

you are right about certain cricketers like dk lillee 

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