gakgupta Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Hey folks!! There is no argument that Shami is the best indian pacer. But how good is he? Is he the top 5 pace bowlers in the world now? Not on the ranking though, but purely based on the talent...For me, he is just behind M.Starc. He is in top 3 pace bowlers. Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk express bowling 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Top class bowler no doubt about that. Only his fitness is holding him back. Like @express bowling said most skillful Indian pacer. He's got everything - pace, perfect seam position, control, reverse swing, bouncers, yorkers and ability to set up the batsman. Eagerly waiting to see him bowl in SA. sandeep, Hell Raiser, express bowling and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
gakgupta Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Top class bowler no doubt about that. Only his fitness is holding him back. Like [mention=8417]express bowling[/mention] said most skillful Indian pacer. He's got everything - pace, perfect seam position, control, reverse swing, bouncers, yorkers and ability to set up the batsman. Eagerly waiting to see him bowl in SA. More importantly, he uses his brain.....very unlike indianSent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk Hyderabadi Tiger and velu 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Shami has improved a lot as a test bowler after he came back in July 2016 from his knee operation. He had taken a 15 month break and came back a much better test bowler. He has modified his run-up, taking smaller steps and is more upright while delivering, resulting in more bounce. He has added a bit more muscle too and hitting the deck harder now. He was always quick but his ability to sustain pace has become better in the last 14 months. Never have I seen an Indian fast bowler with such a complete range of skills. just like @Mosher has written above, he has ......Ability to set up batsmen, genuine pace, excellent accuracy, great seam position, good bounce, great bouncers, seam movement both ways, swing, reverse swing, late-dipping yorkers, making the batsmen play a lot .... what a range of skills ! If only he can stay fit ! He is not the same bowler he was in 2014.... looking at him, we tend to forget that he has played international cricket for only 4 years, with a 15 month injury break ..... so, effectively, less than 3 years of international cricket....and is still learning. I rate him the best fast bowler in the world while bowling in the sub-continent. Let's see how he does out of Asia .... but the way he is bowling in the last 14 months in tests, he should do well if fit. He is a thinking bowler and that will hold him in good stead. Edited August 14, 2017 by express bowling nevada, Ironhide, Rightarmfast and 4 others 7 Link to comment
gattaca Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 He is good knows how to setup batsman. Lol at kohli for not playing him in ct. But we have two very good players in shami and Rahul but both of them are injured most of the time. Link to comment
gattaca Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Also I checked his age it says 26. Wow is it really true. Too many injuries for his age. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, gattaca said: Also I checked his age it says 26. Wow is it really true. Too many injuries for his age. He is probably 2 -3 years older than that. If he plays for 4-5 years and 40 more tests for India, it will be good. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, gattaca said: Also I checked his age it says 26. Wow is it really true. Too many injuries for his age. Multiple injuries happen at any age for fast bowlers..... look at Starc, Pattinson, Cummins Link to comment
gattaca Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, express bowling said: Multiple injuries happen at any age for fast bowlers..... look at Starc, Pattinson, Cummins May be the reason is modern fitness programmes. Holding says too much gym will not help a fast bowler and might injure them.Even the ones you mentioned are all Australian bowlers too.pattinson bulked up a lot than in 2012 when played with us. Edited August 14, 2017 by gattaca Link to comment
gakgupta Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Shami has improved a lot as a test bowler after he came back from his knee operation in July 2016. He had taken a 15 month break and came back a much better test bowler. He has modified his run-up, taking smaller steps and is more upright while delivering, resulting in more bounce. He has added a bit more muscle too and hitting the deck harder now. He was always quick but his ability to sustain pace has become better in the last 14 months. Never have I seen an Indian fast bowler with such a complete range of skills. just like [mention=21046]Mosher[/mention] has written above, he has ......Ability to set up batsmen, genuine pace, excellent accuracy, great seam position, good bounce, great bouncers, seam movement both ways, swing, reverse swing, late-dipping yorkers, making the batsmen play a lot .... what a range of skills ! If only he can stay fit ! He is not the same bowler he was in 2014.... looking at him, we tend to forget that he has played international cricket for only 4 years, with a 15 month injury break ..... so effectively less than 3 years of international cricket....and is still learning. I rate him the best fast bowler in the world while bowling in the sub-continent. Let's see how he does out of Asia .... but the way he is bowling in the last 14 months in tests, he should do well if fit. He is a thinking bowler and that will hold him in good stead. Very very good analysis....After reading you post, something strikes me......most of the indian pace bowlers regresses after good year or two.....but it is completely different for Shami....In many aspects, he reminds me of Zaheer Khan....Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk express bowling 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, gakgupta said: Very very good analysis.... After reading you post, something strikes me......most of the indian pace bowlers regresses after good year or two.....but it is completely different for Shami.... In many aspects, he reminds me of Zaheer Khan.... Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk He is already better than Zak of first 4-5 years. Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 he huffs and puffs even while going back to his mark in the 2nd over Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 his stamina is the only concern. otherwise very good bowler. just picked a wicket :) Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Indian pacers after 25 tests@therealkapildev 100 wkts@IrfanPathan 91@MdShami11 86*@sreesanth36 84 Srinath 79@ImZaheer 77 — IndianCricketFans (@ICFans) August 14, 2017 Only Kapil was better than Shami at this point of career. Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Shami is fine as support bowler who can bowl ten overs in full tilt , his real test will be when he is asked 25 overs in a day.When he is bowling 20 -25 overs in day and will he be effective and also pickup 5fers is the question ,till he does he will remain a question mark as a strike bowler. Edited August 14, 2017 by putrevus Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 hours ago, express bowling said: Shami has improved a lot as a test bowler after he came back in July 2016 from his knee operation. He had taken a 15 month break and came back a much better test bowler. He has modified his run-up, taking smaller steps and is more upright while delivering, resulting in more bounce. He has added a bit more muscle too and hitting the deck harder now. He was always quick but his ability to sustain pace has become better in the last 14 months. Never have I seen an Indian fast bowler with such a complete range of skills. just like @Mosher has written above, he has ......Ability to set up batsmen, genuine pace, excellent accuracy, great seam position, good bounce, great bouncers, seam movement both ways, swing, reverse swing, late-dipping yorkers, making the batsmen play a lot .... what a range of skills ! If only he can stay fit ! He is not the same bowler he was in 2014.... looking at him, we tend to forget that he has played international cricket for only 4 years, with a 15 month injury break ..... so effectively less than 3 years of international cricket....and is still learning. I rate him the best fast bowler in the world while bowling in the sub-continent. Let's see how he does out of Asia .... but the way he is bowling in the last 14 months in tests, he should do well if fit. He is a thinking bowler and that will hold him in good stead. actually in the earlier two tests he was looking fair but not very good and fast ..in this TEST he has looked 140 to 147k most of the time which has been too fast too hot to handle. in earlier 2 test he had not out bowled Umesh yadav but in this Test match SHAMMI has outbowled every one and has looked DANGEROUS, DEADLY, running and bowling LIKE A deadly COBRA throwing venom, or a soldier throwing hand grinades at Batsman..Batsman have not looked at scoring against him and he has RULED the srilankan batsman taking so many wickets and creating wicket taking opportunities almost at WILL. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, vishalvirsingh said: actually in the earlier two tests he was looking fair but not very good and fast ..in this TEST he has looked 140 to 147k most of the time which has been too fast too hot to handle. in earlier 2 test he had not out bowled Umesh yadav but in this Test match SHAMMI has outbowled every one and has looked DANGEROUS, DEADLY, running and bowling LIKE A deadly COBRA throwing venom, or a soldier throwing hand grinades at Batsman..Batsman have not looked at scoring against him and he has RULED the srilankan batsman taking so many wickets and creating wicket taking opportunities almost at WILL. Shami is playing a test series after 9 months. It takes a bit of time to reach one's best. But he was bowling 135 k to 145 k in the first 2 tests too, which he has upped to 137 k to 147 k in this test. Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 39 minutes ago, putrevus said: Shami is fine as support bowler who can bowl ten overs in full tilt , his real test will be when he is asked 25 overs in a day.When he is bowling 20 -25 overs in day and will he be effective and also pickup 5fers is the question ,till he does he will remain a question mark as a strike bowler. a genuine fast bowler does not need to ball more than 16 to 18 overs at good pace as he gets his bag full of wicket in his 16 to 18 overs.. i am happy to get 15 overs from shammi if he can fetch his 3 to 4 wickets in his 16 overs itself. Rightarmfast, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Only Kapil was better than Shami at this point of career. r u Kidding...as a pacer kapil was good only till his legs were good , after his legs got treatment , he had turned into a under 130 K trundler and keeping his place just bcos he batted well as an allrounder. i was a big kapil fan but i am true to share that he extended his bowling career by at least 2 to 3 years because he was an all rounder. i remember seeing him getting his last wicket after bowling at least 20+ overs ..he had turned into a wicket less bowler in his last 10 tests..he was hardly taking any wickets. Actually he did not let any fast bowler grow..he only supported one pace bowler and that was chetan sharma. raju kulkarni ,sanjeev sharma and few other pace bowlers emerged only to get lost during Kapil's times as I think Kapil never supported them ,actually javagal srinath who was atleast 20 K faster than kapil got his break through quite late ...kapil did well as an all rounder for india but he was a selfish pace bowler and since he had become a BIG PLAYER , he had impact in selections too. except for winning a world cup..he never did well as a CAPtain..even as a coach kapil's performance was bad. as all rounder he was good as he ended up batting well or bowling well and always pull on his weight. in his last 3 years he was under 130K and kinda an average Pacer who had a big name. i was his big fan in his first half of his career and he always disappointed me in his last years. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Shami is fine as support bowler who can bowl ten overs in full tilt , his real test will be when he is asked 25 overs in a day.When he is bowling 20 -25 overs in day and will he be effective and also pickup 5fers is the question ,till he does he will remain a question mark as a strike bowler. 90 overs and 5 bowlers That means 18 overs per head may work The workhorse-pacer like Ishant or Bhuvi will bowl 20 +. The spinner may do that too. Shami may end up bowling 15 or 16 , something he is used to doing. Which is why playing 5 bowlers will be so important to keep our strike pacers fresh. Edited August 14, 2017 by express bowling Mosher and Ankit_sharma03 1 1 Link to comment
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