Reserve / Backup players available for Team India

[express bowling]

Another area we are weak at is Wicket-taking bowlers in ODIs, especially during the first 30 overs

 

Shami is there but it is better to preserve him for tests, World Cups and CTs, given his fitness concerns.

 

Kuldeep Yadav is a genuine wicket-taker and needs to play every ODI.

 

Bumrah has a high wickets per match ratio but picks more wickets after the 30th over.

 

Good to see defensive spinner-duo, Ashwin and Jadeja, rested.

 

Now, we need to try more wicket-taking bowlers as ODIs are often won by taking wickets and not containing runs only.

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Who are the backup high SR batter / allrounders for 6 and 7 in ODIs  ?

 

Krunal Pandya  and Vijay Shankar need to be tried.

[Lannister]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Another area we are weak at is Wicket-taking bowlers in ODIs, especially during the first 30 overs

 

Shami is there but it is better to preserve him for tests, World Cups and CTs, given his fitness concerns.

 

Kuldeep Yadav is a genuine wicket-taker and needs to play every ODI.

 

Bumrah has a high wickets per match ratio but picks more wickets after the 30th over.

 

Good to see defensive spinner-duo, Ashwin and Jadeja, rested.

 

Now, we need to try more wicket-taking bowlers as ODIs are often won by taking wickets and not containing runs only.

 

Are there any good upcoming bowlers for ODIs, who are also wicket-takers? Kumar has turned out to be a dud, for all the hype surrounding him. 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

Are there any good upcoming bowlers for ODIs, who are also wicket-takers? Kumar has turned out to be a dud, for all the hype surrounding him. 

 

Siraj, Thampi, Shardul, Kaul, Chahal and Axar were our bowlers for the A-team one-day tournament.

 

Siraj is one of the best prospects as an international wicket-taker but needs to play one more domestic season IMO.

 

Thampi and Shardul need to be tried too.

 

Khejroliya, Nagarkoti and Nathu have been taking a lot of List A wickets and should be made ready with special focus.  Avesh Khan is another potential wicket-taker.... he ran through sides in the U19 world cup and looked impressive in the IPL.  He needs to play List A.

 

Kuldeep looks the only ODI wicket-taker among spinners .... Nadeem is taking a lot of wickets in 4-day games and can be tried in ODIs to see how he fares. He is a decent batter too.

Edited August 22, 2017 by express bowling

[chewy]

That's why I laugh at India being capable of putting out two teams, once u sit down and write down the XI and alternative XI, u will struggle to fill in the B team with genuine quality

 

[Kerberos]

52 minutes ago, chewy said:

That's why I laugh at India being capable of putting out two teams, once u sit down and write down the XI and alternative XI, u will struggle to fill in the B team with genuine quality

 

Shame for a cricket obsessed nation, isn't it? What's the reason?

[chewy]

4 hours ago, Kerberos said:

Shame for a cricket obsessed nation, isn't it? What's the reason?

There is no shame, cricket in India was played by a very small financially elite minority, and even until recently it was only played by small elite minority with backing of upper middle class money. 

 

 But credit to BCCI since turn of millennium good quality infrastructure is spreading to smaller cities  and more kids will have access to good facilities.

 

in countries like England and Australia, I bet more kids have access to Proper cricketing facilities than in India.

 

In England proper cricket grounds with pitches, sigthscreens and equipment are available from village to village...u will be lucky to find a half decent ground in 2nd or 3rd tier cities let alone villages, and India is still a rural nation (more people live in villages/fields than Urban areas)

[express bowling]

Backups for the seamer-allrounder role --

 

Vijay Shankar, who is more of a batsman who bowls.

 

Kamlesh Nagarkoti , a genuine fast bowler for his age who is a decent batsmen.

 

Both need to be groomed and brought in contention.

 

Shivam Mavi may have some potential too.

[express bowling]

Ravikumar Samarth has done very well in the 2nd " Unofficial Test "  on this A-tour, with scores of 77 and 55 in a low scoring match. He was run out in both the innings of the first match.

 

If he looks like a proper test batsman then he can be a back-up for our test middle-order even, although he is an opener.

[vayuu1]

This is a list of realistically available options in OP  and not a wishlist.  Players who are being ignored by selectors, I have not counted as realistic backups.  Players whom we don't like but are there have been considered.
 
 
TESTS IN ASIA
 
Openers -
 
1)  Rahul
2) Vijay
 
Dhawan
Mukund
Parthiv
 
 
Upper-middle order -
 
3) Pujara
4) Kohli
5) Rahane
 
Rohit
Nair
Dhawan ( could be used in the middle-order as well )
 
 
Keeper 
 
7) Saha
 
Parthiv
 
 
Spinner-Allrounders -
 
6) Ashwin
9) Jadeja
 
Jayant Yadav
Axar
 
 
Pacer-All-rounder
 
8) Hardik
 
No-backup
 
 
Spinners -
 
Kuldeep
Nadeem
 
 
Pacers -
 
10) Shami
11) Umesh
 
Bhuvi
Ishant
Bumrah
Shardul
 
 
 
 
 
TESTS out-of  ASIA
 
Openers -
 
1)  Rahul
2) Vijay
 
Dhawan
Mukund
 
 
Upper-middle order -
 
3) Pujara
4) Kohli
5) Rahane
 
Rohit
Nair
Dhawan ( could be used in the middle-order as well )
Not happy with any of these back-ups while touring outside Asia... our A-team cupboard for test batsmen look bare too
 
 
Keeper 
 
7) Saha
 
Parthiv
 
 
Spinner-Allrounders -
 
6) Ashwin
 
Jadeja
Jayant Yadav
 
 
 
Pacer-All-rounder
 
8) Hardik
 
No-backup
 
 
 
Spinners -
 
Kuldeep
 
 
 
Pacers -
 
9) Bhuvi
10) Shami
11) Umesh
 
 
Ishant
Bumrah
Shardul
 
 
 
 
 
ODIs
 
Openers -
 
1)  Rohit
2)  Dhawan
 
Rahane
Rahul
 
 
Upper-middle order -
 
3) Kohli
4) Rahul
 
Pandey
Iyer
Karthick
 
 
Keeper-batsman
 
5) Dhoni
 
Karthick
Pant
 
 
High SR batsmen - allrounders / finishers  -
 
6) Jadhav
7) Hardik
 
No proper backups
 
Potentially
Krunal
Shankar
 
 
 
Spinner-Allrounders -
 
8) Jadeja
 
Axar
 
 
 
Spinners -
 
9) Kuldeep
 
Ashwin
Chahal
 
 
 
Pacers -
 
10) Bhuvi
11) Bumrah
 
 
Shami ( He is a top ODI bowler but it is better to rest him for ODIs and use him for test matches only )
Shardul
Umesh
 
Potentially
Thampi
Siraj
 
 
 
So, we have no proper reserve players for
 
1)  Middle-order batters for outside-Asia test matches
2)  Pacer-all-rounder in tests
3)  High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs.
 
These issues need to be addressed.  How to do it ?   Your views on this.
 
 

Pacer all-rounder - Vijay shankar, how is Kamlesh nagarkoti

Middle order batter - I strongly believe iyer, pandey
Can play that role

Odi all rounders :-hooda,krunal,shankar etc


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[express bowling]

Good to see frequent A-team series taking place.

 

  to the BCCI for this.

 

Best way to create ' ready ' backups

Edited September 23, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Siraj,  Karn  and Nadeem have done well among bowlers in the 4-day A-Team match today

[tweaker]

Karn Sharma after his good form in Duleep trophy has again among wickets .He was lucky to be playing in the A team after Gautam who was the original choice, dropped for the faking injury & playing in KPL

[jusarrived]

On 17/08/2017 at 2:54 PM, express bowling said:

I want to see how the both of them bat in seamer-friendly conditions in 4-day matches.

 

Shankar had an opportunity to showcase this, was batting on 26 but got injured.... did not bat in the 2nd innings, might miss the next match.   I know very little about how he tackles short balls or off-stump deliveries from seamers.

 

Pandey is a batsman with an unorthodox technique but a good temperament. Played a knock of 77 in Australia in a 4-day game.... would like to see him bat too in seam-friendly conditions.

Pandey actually a better test prospect than for ODIs . He does well when there is bounce and very strong against spin , may struggle against swing , but the most imp thing is his knack of getting big hundreds when team is in trouble . Unfortunately cos of his unorthodox technique hes tagged as a LOI player . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Pandey actually a better test prospect than for ODIs . He does well when there is bounce and very strong against spin , may struggle against swing , but the most imp thing is his knack of getting big hundreds when team is in trouble . Unfortunately cos of his unorthodox technique hes tagged as a LOI player . 

I doubt specially the angle at which his bat comes down and the face of his bat, wud get out to a lot of oustide edges 

Ill be really worried about him against outswing bowlers 

[express bowling]

Washington Sundar looks like another  batting all-rounder candidate..... but long way to go for him though

 

Can hit the big shots and has a good temperament.

 

Looks like a decent spinner too.

 

Has scored 88 off 118 balls with 5 sixes batting with the tail in Duleep final

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by express bowling

[putrevus]

After watching Kuldeep in few matches,I don't think he is a big turner of the ball .Can he be effective overseas is still unknown.

[rkt.india]

51 minutes ago, putrevus said:

After watching Kuldeep in few matches,I don't think he is a big turner of the ball .Can he be effective overseas is still unknown.

he will get more turn as he become stronger. wrist spin needs a lot of strength to achieve high number of revolutions.

[Cricketics]

Not convinced with Rohit in the test middle order back up. Just like we moved on from Yuvraj and others in Test when they were in their late 20s, we need to move on for now from Rohit. Keep guys like Iyer, Panchal etc in mind whenever replacement is required. We have Duleep Trophy games etc happening where players have been scoring runs and will continue to score runs whenRanji season starts, so better to focus on those players as middle order back up than stick to Rohit. I would like to see Rohit play in Ranji again.

 

 

[Tibarn]

We need to develop another bowler or 2 for LOIs who can bowl yorkers consistently, in case Bumrah/Bhuvi get injured.

 

I guess Pandey can be included in the Test squad as a middle order back up instead of Rohit, if we want to drop him.