Numbers: Averaging close to 60 for the longest period of time

[Trichromatic]

Sachin Tendulkar

From 01 Jan 1993 to 01 Mar 2011 (before 2011 WC)

Tests: 157

Runs: 13607

Average: 59.41

100s: 47

 

This closest SRT came to avg of 60 if runs are maximised between any points of his career in career graph.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

Kumar Sangakarra

From 26 Dec 2000 to 17 Jun 2015

Tests: 128

Runs: 12188

Avg: 59.45

100s: 38

 

 

[rtmohanlal]

6 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Sachin Tendulkar

From 01 Jan 1993 to 01 Mar 2011 (before 2011 WC)

Tests: 157

Runs: 13607

Average: 59.41

100s: 47

 

This closest SRT came to avg of 60 if runs are maximised between any points of his career in career graph.

 

 

yes ... those numbers that makes SRT the undisputed best from those 90s & 2000s combined.And what not, that avg:  of 59.41 would be worth some 65.41  in these much batting friendly 2010's with very few  QUALITY bowlers compared to those in 90s.And  13607  runs  being still  larger  than 2nd best Ponting's 13350+  makes these stats even more remarkable

[velu]

48 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

yes ... those numbers that makes SRT the undisputed best from those 90s & 2000s combined.And what not, that avg:  of 59.41 would be worth some 65.41  in these much batting friendly 2010's with very few  QUALITY bowlers compared to those in 90s.And  13607  runs  being still  larger  than 2nd best Ponting's 13350+  makes these stats even more remarkable

 

yes .. sachin played in an era when the pitches were bowling fiendly and every team had one or two ATG bowlers .. 

[lanka-girln]

Sachin is the God of Cricket !

[FanofMichaelJackson]

On top of that his away average is 61.48 in that period. This period is longer than the career span of legends like Richards, Gavaskar, Ponting, Lara, Dravid and others. 

If his career is divided in two halves, teen and post-teen, then in his teens ( 1989-1992, 4 years ) he averages 37 off his first 20 tests with 4 centuries and post-teen ( 1993-2013, 20 years ) he averages 55.56 off 180 tests with 47 centuries with an away average of 58.25. While averaging 50+ in Aus, SA, Sri Lanka, Eng, NZ. He also averages 44+ in and against every team.

 

I think post-teen Tendulkar is easily a cut above all the other top tier batsmen of modern day cricket.

Edited August 20, 2017 by FanofMichaelJackson

[Gollum]

Pretty sure Smith will end up with a career average of over 60 and a balanced one too with runs scored everywhere. He is the true heir of Tendulkar.

[sourab10forever]

5 hours ago, Gollum said:

Pretty sure Smith will end up with a career average of over 60 and a balanced one too with runs scored everywhere. He is the true heir of Tendulkar.

Before Kohli Steps up

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Pretty sure Smith will end up with a career average of over 60 and a balanced one too with runs scored everywhere. He is the true heir of Tendulkar.

bu the wont have that kind of longevity.

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

bu the wont have that kind of longevity.

Nor Smith is that much attractive to watch.

[someone]

From the graph, I would say Sachin did not fulfill his full potential.

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, someone said:

From the graph, I would say Sachin did not fulfill his full potential.

That's utter BS - the guy was a Ferrari, who gave you the longevity of a Honda Accord.   Just because his post-prime phase was not to the crazy ATG standard he set in the 93-2003 timeframe, shouldn't be a knock on him.  Most batsmen can't last at the highest level in their post-prime phase.  Once they start declining, they tend to collapse to such poor levels, that they have to retire from the game in 2-3 years.   Take anyone - Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Sehwag, etc  All of these guys went through that towards their last couple of years.  Even Alastair Cook has hit his decline phase and would be forced out of the team if not for the lack of qualified alternatives for England to pick from, and the fact that he can improve his numbers by scoring 250 against the likes of the Windies.  

 

Tendy in his "decline" phase was still good enough to play for another 10 years.  And had a couple of spectacularly good seasons in there as well.   His consistency in the 95-2001 timeframe was unmatched by any of his peers - hard to find a series in that timeframe where he didn't drop a 100.    

Edited August 21, 2017 by sandeep

[someone]

30 minutes ago, sandeep said:

That's utter BS - the guy was a Ferrari, who gave you the longevity of a Honda Accord.   Just because his post-prime phase was not to the crazy ATG standard he set in the 93-2003 timeframe, shouldn't be a knock on him.  Most batsmen can't last at the highest level in their post-prime phase.  Once they start declining, they tend to collapse to such poor levels, that they have to retire from the game in 2-3 years.   Take anyone - Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Sehwag, etc  All of these guys went through that towards their last couple of years.  Even Alastair Cook has hit his decline phase and would be forced out of the team if not for the lack of qualified alternatives for England to pick from, and the fact that he can improve his numbers by scoring 250 against the likes of the Windies. 

Tendy in his "decline" phase was still good enough to play for another 10 years.  And had a couple of spectacularly good seasons in there as well.   His consistency in the 95-2001 timeframe was unmatched by any of his peers - hard to find a series in that timeframe where he didn't drop a 100.    

Stop being so over-sensitive. Sachin could and should have done better. That's the point and he had the ability as well.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, someone said:

Stop being so over-sensitive. Sachin could and should have done better. That's the point and he had the ability as well.

Agree to disagree.  But you definitely could and should have done better in defending your outlandish claim.    

 

Banjo Chale aate hai, "could and should have done better".   Know this type all too well - Khud se kuch hotaa nahi, but wannabe fancy pants self-ejaculate by holding the likes of Tendy to a "higher standard".   

[goose]

Agree with sandeep. While watching Tendulkar in his prime years the impression was very much a case of disbelief at the sheer magic allied with mind boggling consistency. Tendulkar was never about the numbers. Wisden in Dec 2002 rated him second only to Bradman in tests and second only to Viv in limited overs. He held not a single batting record of any description at this time. Just let that sink in for a second. For some he could have averaged more. To me he transcended numbers. 

Edited August 22, 2017 by goose

[rkt.india]

16 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

Nor Smith is that much attractive to watch.

yeah

[putrevus]

On 8/20/2017 at 6:49 AM, Trichromatic said:

Sachin Tendulkar

From 01 Jan 1993 to 01 Mar 2011 (before 2011 WC)

Tests: 157

Runs: 13607

Average: 59.41

100s: 47

 

This closest SRT came to avg of 60 if runs are maximised between any points of his career in career graph.

 

 

All those included 7 tons against Bangladesh and countless 100s against Srilanka either on roads in 1997 series and  before Murali became Murali.

 

 

[Vilander]

All this BUT..

 

BUT.

 

hmmm ?!?

 

his overall average is less than Sangakara

 

he did not win enough world cups, hmm did not play for the team played for individual accolades...Lara is better...hmmm Ponting won more...Chanderpaul had more toes....

 

 

[someone]

18 hours ago, goose said:

Agree with sandeep. While watching Tendulkar in his prime years the impression was very much a case of disbelief at the sheer magic allied with mind boggling consistency. Tendulkar was never about the numbers. Wisden in Dec 2002 rated him second only to Bradman in tests and second only to Viv in limited overs. He held not a single batting record of any description at this time. Just let that sink in for a second. For some he could have averaged more. To me he transcended numbers. 

Sachin played for numbers especially in this decade. It's a reality that many won't accept.  Also his legacy is about numbers, his huge batting records. People remember him for his numbers, unlike Sehwag, Ganguly, Dhoni whose legacy are on different things.

[putrevus]

Sachin inspite of all his numbers never had 500 runs in series nor scored 2 hundreds in match. I don't know what is his stand out innings in a test match. Some people call his 241 against Aussies in Sydney 04 as stand out one but that there was nothing that stood out about that innings except he cut out his cover drive.Laxman was blazing the Aussies and tendulkar was playing second fiddle to him.

 

Even after Indian team became strong  and one of the best batting lineup in the history of the game, this myth that Indian batting was all about Sachin persisted.