Problem of plenty for Ind cricket

[SK_IH]

Ever since Champions Trophy ,I have had this thought that at the moment there are too many good options for india for multiple spots that it must difficult for selectors and team management to make a squad/team.

In CT ,for first time in my life i saw ind team management struggling to finalise 3 seamers out of 4 

In left arm orthodox there are options of krunal/jaddu/axar,all three have different strength

there are so many middle order options ,looks like even the mgmt will finalise the middle order conundrum after tril n error

because of presence of ashwin n jadeja ,sometime the wrist spinners will be sidelined

then there are players like pant,iyer,samson,vijay shankar,ishan or even sarfaraz who will be in selectors sights for selection

[SK_IH]

i agree with that thread i read here earlier,ind can definitely make two solid limited overs team at the moment

[express bowling]

Good problem to have.

 

But we still don't have backups for

 

1 )  If one of Kohli, Rahane, Pujara misses out on SA, Eng etc. test tour.

 

2) If Hardik is not available for test matches overseas

 

3)  If one of Hardik or Jadhav is not available for ODIs -- We can bring in Krunal or Shankar for these slots but none are in the INdia ODI side yet.

[SK_IH]

Just now, express bowling said:

Good problem to have.

 

But we still don't have backups for

 

1 )  If one of Kohli, Rahane, Pujara misses out on SA, Eng etc. test tour.

 

2) If Hardik is not available for test matches overseas

 

3)  If one of Hardik or Jadhav is not available for ODIs -- We can bring in Krunal or Shankar for these slots but none are in the INdia ODI side yet.

i am talking mainly about limited overs cricket ,we have so many options that sometimes even deserving players are missing out

[Silva]

I actually think its a bad problem to have. Since Pandya, Jadhav and jadeja as well as well as axar shown the ability to bowl as well as bat a bit the team is sitting out good  bowlers like shami and  the two yadavs and that already backfired twice against pakistan and sri lanka in the CT trophy. I would imagine a team like Australia would make india pay for only picking 3 specialist bowlers more often then not.

[SK_IH]

2 minutes ago, Silva said:

I actually think its a bad problem to have. Since Pandya, Jadhav and jadeja as well as well as axar shown the ability to bowl as well as bat a bit the team is sitting out good  bowlers like shami and  the two yadavs and that already backfired twice against pakistan and sri lanka in the CT trophy. I would imagine a team like Australia would make india pay for only picking 3 specialist bowlers more often then not.

i am also of the same opinion,having so many options is leading to confusion for sure 

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Silva said:

I actually think its a bad problem to have. Since Pandya, Jadhav and jadeja as well as well as axar shown the ability to bowl as well as bat a bit the team is sitting out good  bowlers like shami and  the two yadavs and that already backfired twice against pakistan and sri lanka in the CT trophy. I would imagine a team like Australia would make india pay for only picking 3 specialist bowlers more often then not.

 

Jadhav and Pandya not occupying bowlers' slots.

 

Shami could have replaced Ashwin who is not much of a batsman in ODIs.

 

Yes.... Axar's batting ability has affected Kuldeep's selection today.

[Silva]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Jadhav and Pandya not occupying bowlers' slots.

 

Shami could have replaced Ashwin who is not much of a batsman in ODIs.

 

Yes.... Axar's batting ability has affected Kuldeep's selection today.

Jadhav and pandya being able to bowl is giving kohli the confidence of playing another all rounder. Even if shami replaced ashwin that would still mean 20 overs have to be made up of part timers which in my opinion would backfire more often than not against stronger batring line ups although it might have worked in that one particular game.

 

In 2011 the only all rounders india had were yuvi and yusuf pathan, in ct that india won the only all rounder india had was jadeja,  hence dhoni had to pick 4 specialist bowlers and only one all rounder but now having all these allrounder in the squad who are pretty good is giving kohli false confidence of only picking 3 specialist bowlers. 

Edited August 20, 2017 by Silva

[Pollack]

India has too many defensive bowlers for LOI:  Bhuvi, Jadeja, Axar, Chahal, Bumrah(bowling upfront) and Ashwin. 

Umesh is too expensive.

 

So it leaves us with only Shami and kuldeep as genuine wicket takers. Shardul and Siraj need to be tried sooner rather than later.

 

Among spinners Nadeem needs to be looked as a better alternative to the likes of Jadeja or Axar.

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, Silva said:

Jadhav and pandya being able to bowl is giving kohli the confidence of playing another all rounder. Even if shami replaced ashwin that would still mean 20 overs have to be made up of part timers which in my opinion would backfire more often than not against stronger batring line ups although it might have worked in that one particular game.

 

No... it would mean 4 regular bowlers in Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Jadeja..... Ashwin in place of Shami also meant 4 regular bowlers.

 

2 bowlers, Pandya and Jadhav, would share the 5th bowler's role and there is buffer for a bowler having a bad day.

 

18 minutes ago, Silva said:

In 2011 the only all rounders india had were yuvi and yusuf pathan, in ct that india won the only all rounder india had was jadeja,  hence dhoni had to pick 4 specialist bowlers and only one all rounder but now having all these allrounder in the squad who are pretty good is giving kohli false confidence of only picking 3 specialist bowlers. 

 

We always had 4 specialist bowlers like I stated above.

[SK_IH]

Just now, Pollack said:

India has too many defensive bowlers for LOI:  Bhuvi, Jadeja, Axar, Chahal, Bumrah(bowling upfront) and Ashwin. 

Umesh is too expensive.

 

So it leaves us with only Shami and kuldeep as genuine wicket takers. Shardul and Siraj need to be tried sooner rather than later.

 

Among spinners Nadeem needs to be looked as a better alternative to the likes of Jadeja or Axar.

i ll also add chahal to the list of wkt takers ,how can a leg spinner be defensive option

and  i am sure chahar will represent ind pretty soon,he has great control n variations

[jf1gp_1]

Middle and lower order rarely gets to bat. When they do its usually tricky situation. I think Rahul should be promoted. Virat should drop down the order see if he can play that finishers role. Kedar or manish bat at 3 and 4. 

[Silva]

57 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

No... it would mean 4 regular bowlers in Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Jadeja..... Ashwin in place of Shami also meant 4 regular bowlers.

 

2 bowlers, Pandya and Jadhav, would share the 5th bowler's role and there is buffer for a bowler having a bad day.

 

 

We always had 4 specialist bowlers like I stated above.

Jadeja is not a specialist bowler in LO, his stats are terrible and not much better than yuvi in odis and probably one of the worst of all time in t20i. 

[Rightarmfast]

Did you forget CT Final? You are getting too much ahead

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, Silva said:

Jadeja is not a specialist bowler in LO, his stats are terrible and not much better than yuvi in odis and probably one of the worst of all time in t20i. 

Jadeja has 155 wickets from 135 matches at an ER of 4.9

 

Almost always completes his full quota of overs

 

That is a specialist bowler, albeit a below par one in the last 2 years.

[Vilander]

There is appetite and skill base to make 2 or 3 odi sides from India. Not sure how the demographics can be chosen, north south maharastra ? Can send full strength side to icc tournaments and prep tournamnets but will pose combination testing challenges..

[chewy]

There might be options, but don't see current selections winning an ODI bilateral series in SA or Aus or even NZ.

Not enough big hitters, Shami only genuine reliable strike bowler, no variation (unless Kuldeep and Chahal get more games now), Rohit is hopeless against genuine pace or good swing

 

tbh on current form only Dhawan, Kohli, Bhuvi and Bumrah are sure selections and know their exact roles. Shami seems injure prone so has to be handled well.

 

The rest of batting and bowling positions are all up for grabs.

 

Really need to bolster that low order batting with decent power hitters, finally the dropping Yuvi will opportunity to the pretenders

 

not sure what to make of Dhoni