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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Another not out and 49(42) this day and age with the kind of start we had is pathetic and I am

pretty sure a lot of momentum was sucked in the process as well...This is out let lower order power hitter :wall: 

the guy on the other end made 50(42), hit one less boundary n no six 

What start, dhoni didnt enter when it was 225/2 . he entered when it was 274/5

One more wkt and we were into the tail and forget 350 to then

 

Did any of the centurion batted till 45 overs or end or we have -5-7 wkts left 

 

How many gr8s have u seen batting the same way whole life, tendulkar s/r fluctuated a lot, ganguly dipped, sehwag n yuvi s/r went up runs went down 

 

Sheer lynch mobbing nothing else, if u got blame him be fair addd the other guy batting at same s/r on other end 

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22 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Today's Dhoni is not Dhoni of 2006, who would really be a perfect fit at #5 or 6 for us right now, but not sure why Indian cricket fans keep harping over something that's not going to happen and petulantly hate on Dhoni simply because he doesn't fit the round peg they want him to fit in.  Fact is that even this aging diminished Dhoni offers decent value as a #4 bat - with his experience and reliability, he is a quality #4 batsman, and since he keeps wickets, he frees up another slot in the XI.  Before I get a tirade of nonsense insults thrown at me, I said decent value, not exceptional value, decent.  Just because we don't have other slugging options available to us apart from Hardik Pandya, doesn't mean that Dhoni's useless and has to go unless he magically reverts to his younger self.  

 

TLDR:  Stop hating on India's best ODI captain ever, stop wishing for him to re-spawn into his younger self - evaluate him dispassionately for what he is.  Else you are just a sad victim of your own expectations.  

Dhoni's not going to be a power hitter anymore.  Deal with it.   Evaluate him as the steadying middle order bat who will control the middle and give you around 90-115 SR on most days.  That's not a horrible player to have in the side.  Of course, if he starts piling up repeated innings of 22(38), then he needs to be pushed out.  No arguments on that. 

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the guy on the other end made 50(42), hit one less boundary n no six 

What start, dhoni didnt enter when it was 225/2 . he entered when it was 274/5

One more wkt and we were into the tail and forget 350 to then

 

Did any of the centurion batted till 45 overs or end or we have -5-7 wkts left 

 

How many gr8s have u seen batting the same way whole life, tendulkar s/r fluctuated a lot, ganguly dipped, sehwag n yuvi s/r went up runs went down 

 

Sheer lynch mobbing nothing else, if u got blame him be fair addd the other guy batting at same s/r on other end 

So you comparing Dhoni to a guy who just came into the team and would be dropped again for Dhoni if he didn't click. 

 

Key thing was Pandrey from ball one from rotated strike and had a strike rate above 115 but didn't face many balls in last three death overs. On the other hand, Dhoni who came in at a relaxing time of 275-5, played at a strike rate of 75 and almost got out when was he was 31 of 37. And faced most balls in last three overs and still score nearly 49 of 42

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5 minutes ago, kira said:

The torture will end after another CT final like fiasco in World Cup 2019 

What did the great Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli do in the CT final fiasco?   Or is simply all just Dhoni's fault.  How about some blame on Kuptaan aggressive for letting a sub-par batting line-up slog their way to a 330+ total?   Is that also Dhoni's fault.  

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3 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

So you comparing Dhoni to a guy who just came into the team and would be dropped again for Dhoni if he didn't click. 

Once ur set ur set.......then no excuse or something and manish pandey generally bats at those s/r

Look at ur expectation- no crickets plays same way throughout his career

 

3 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

 

Key thing was Pandrey from ball one from rotated strike and had a strike rate above 115 but didn't face many balls in last three death overs. On the other hand, Dhoni who came in at a relaxing time of 275-5, played at a strike rate of 75 and almost got out when was he was 31 of 37. And faced most balls in last three overs and still score nearly 49 of 42

Means pandey slowed down at last and dhoni picked up

So thats how partnership works - one takes the charge then another 

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What did the great Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli do in the CT final fiasco?   Or is simply all just Dhoni's fault.  How about some blame on Kuptaan aggressive for letting a sub-par batting line-up slog their way to a 330+ total?   Is that also Dhoni's fault.  

You are talking to a hater what you expect 

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9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the guy on the other end made 50(42), hit one less boundary n no six 

What start, dhoni didnt enter when it was 225/2 . he entered when it was 274/5

One more wkt and we were into the tail and forget 350 to then

 

Did any of the centurion batted till 45 overs or end or we have -5-7 wkts left 

 

How many gr8s have u seen batting the same way whole life, tendulkar s/r fluctuated a lot, ganguly dipped, sehwag n yuvi s/r went up runs went down 

 

Sheer lynch mobbing nothing else, if u got blame him be fair addd the other guy batting at same s/r on other end 

And still has a better s/r than Dhoni???

 

so wait if Rohit or Kohli kept going you would say they should hit out and not slow the momentum and if they get out and the next guy does tuk tuk you say he is consolidating lol.

 

Dhoni adds nothing anymore....if he wants to be a consolidator bat him at 3...but he is too scared for that.

 

6-7 is not a position for someone who consolidates,if he gets out hitting out in any situation then too bad or if he can consolidate in a back to wall situation it's a bonus but 6-7 should be a power hitter....PERIOD 

 

Dhoni is done 

 

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What did the great Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli do in the CT final fiasco?   Or is simply all just Dhoni's fault.  How about some blame on Kuptaan aggressive for letting a sub-par batting line-up slog their way to a 330+ total?   Is that also Dhoni's fault.  

Or dhawan who was set in that final 

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12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the guy on the other end made 50(42), hit one less boundary n no six 

What start, dhoni didnt enter when it was 225/2 . he entered when it was 274/5

One more wkt and we were into the tail and forget 350 to then

 

Did any of the centurion batted till 45 overs or end or we have -5-7 wkts left 

 

How many gr8s have u seen batting the same way whole life, tendulkar s/r fluctuated a lot, ganguly dipped, sehwag n yuvi s/r went up runs went down 

 

Sheer lynch mobbing nothing else, if u got blame him be fair addd the other guy batting at same s/r on other end 

Why are you wasting your time and giving straight answers to those sachin bhakts.. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. Stop wasting your time. Do you expect serious answer from them? 

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What did the great Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli do in the CT final fiasco?   Or is simply all just Dhoni's fault.  How about some blame on Kuptaan aggressive for letting a sub-par batting line-up slog their way to a 330+ total?   Is that also Dhoni's fault.  

No it was a collective failure agreed...so you are showing  one collective failure a big one at that to say that Dhoni is not a problem???

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2 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

You are talking to a hater what you expect 

No OP is not a true Dhoni hater.  He's just an overly obsessed tailunt lover who piles on the Dhoni-hate wagon simply out of a desire to join in with the mob.   Someone should remind him that maggi noodles wouldn't have an ODI career today if not for India's greatest ODI captain ever:phehe:

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2 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Why are you wasting your time and giving straight answers to those sachin bhakts.. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. Stop wasting your time. Do you expect serious answer from them? 

Peddlers of fake news must not be allowed to drown ICF with their biased propaganda.  Satyam eva Jayate.  :isalute:

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

No it was a collective failure agreed...so you are showing  one collective failure a big one at that to say that Dhoni is not a problem???

I know you have a reading problem.  So I will suggest you read my post slowly.  Before attributing false statements to me.  

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

And still has a better s/r than Dhoni???

 

so wait if Rohit or Kohli kept going you would say they should hit out and not slow the momentum and if they get out and the next guy does tuk tuk you say he is consolidating lol.

 

Dhoni adds nothing anymore....if he wants to be a consolidator bat him at 3...but he is too scared for that.

 

6-7 is not a position for someone who consolidates,if he gets out hitting out in any situation then too bad or if he can consolidate in a back to wall situation it's a bonus but 6-7 should be a power hitter....PERIOD 

 

Dhoni is done 

 

Talking about stats-

 

Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2
2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6
2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3
2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18
2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11
2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11
2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4
2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6
2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5
2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13
2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6
2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3
2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4
2017 16 11 5 1 4 0 134 498 83.00 82.86 11 7
Overall (14) 299 257 72 10 65 8 183* 9608 51.94 88.47 278

99 

 

 

Do people still want him dropped for having one poor year ..........

Yes his s/r have dropped but all top players face some sought of dip in their game .... 

 

This excludes todays innnings, and he has made runs today as

 

Well among his 11 innings

one game in West indies washed out 

one game in West indies were overs got finished

One game he lost for he deserves criticism  .......

 

So basically in among 9 games He played a huge role in winning the game 4 times and in one game against SL in CT he did well which means performed 5 out of 9 games......

 

 

No one is saying he is batting at top, but if someone dip is still that ill happily take that . 

U knw when people are in bad form or done n dusted how their stats look. 

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

No OP is not a true Dhoni hater.  He's just an overly obsessed tailunt lover who piles on the Dhoni-hate wagon simply out of a desire to join in with the mob.   Someone should remind him that maggi noodles wouldn't have an ODI career today if not for India's greatest ODI captain ever:phehe:

When it gets to Rohit he is just a troll. He is real sachin Bhakt who keeps hating on Dhoni that's it. 

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Looks like there will be some usual deflecting the issue and attacking posters personally or criticizing other players past and present,domestic and international or failures of others to as the torture that Dhoni has become.

 

where have we seen this before...hmmm right here many many times

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Talking about stats-

 

Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2
2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6
2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3
2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18
2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11
2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11
2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4
2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6
2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5
2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13
2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6
2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3
2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4
2017 16 11 5 1 4 0 134 498 83.00 82.86 11 7
Overall (14) 299 257 72 10 65 8 183* 9608 51.94 88.47 278

99 

 

 

Do people still want him dropped for having one poor year ..........

Yes his s/r have dropped but all top players face some sought of dip in their game .... 

 

This excludes todays innnings, and he has made runs today as

 

Well among his 11 innings

one game in West indies washed out 

one game in West indies were overs got finished

One game he lost for he deserves criticism  .......

 

So basically in among 9 games He played a huge role in winning the game 4 times and in one game against SL in CT he did well which means performed 5 out of 9 games......

 

 

No one is saying he is batting at top, but if someone dip is still that ill happily take that . 

U knw when people are in bad form or done n dusted how their stats look. 

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   In some ways, you are almost as bad as some of the silly Dhoni-haters.

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Talking about stats-

 

Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2
2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6
2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3
2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18
2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11
2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11
2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4
2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6
2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5
2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13
2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6
2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3
2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4
2017 16 11 5 1 4 0 134 498 83.00 82.86 11 7
Overall (14) 299 257 72 10 65 8 183* 9608 51.94 88.47 278

99 

 

 

Do people still want him dropped for having one poor year ..........

Yes his s/r have dropped but all top players face some sought of dip in their game .... 

 

This excludes todays innnings, and he has made runs today as

 

Well among his 11 innings

one game in West indies washed out 

one game in West indies were overs got finished

One game he lost for he deserves criticism  .......

 

So basically in among 9 games He played a huge role in winning the game 4 times and in one game against SL in CT he did well which means performed 5 out of 9 games......

 

 

No one is saying he is batting at top, but if someone dip is still that ill happily take that . 

U knw when people are in bad form or done n dusted how their stats look. 

 

52.2 is his current average :p:

 

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Lol read your post twice...isn't Dhoni's torture enough?

Will give you an upvote for the clever retort.  But if you are intent on missing my point, which is quite clearly laid out, then no sense reading the scriptures to a deaf buffalo.  

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   In some ways, you are almost as bad as some of the silly Dhoni-haters.

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

He has stats from 2004 to 2017. 2017 is present I believe. 

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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

I have written his abilities has faded, still he is contributing 

My point is not 10 yr old stats, the stat m pointing is consistency . Doesnt a player with that sought of perfomance deserve some leverage . 

 

Apart from 1 yrs he has been perfoming every year, 1st find me how many have done that . Now his the effect has gone down but still runs are their which is still a contribution in some way. 

 

Any top player faces dip some were or other, what matters is that is he still contributing. Dhoni is

Have audition but let someone earn that position to say this guy is better and dhoni shud hang his boots, option cnt be worst 

 

 

Dhoni shudnt be an option at 4, he can only bat 5 with his limitations now and can only be replaced with a keeper

KL and manish will fight against one another, since no one in top order bowls we need one batsman who can give cushion of few overs 

About KL n manish , are they still taking responsibilty n fighting out

KL didnt this series

Manish didnt in NZ

Dhoni did it in both may be not with gr8 effect but atleast he fought it out 

 

So he cant be our biggest problem as of now 

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20 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Why are you wasting your time and giving straight answers to those sachin bhakts.. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. Stop wasting your time. Do you expect serious answer from them? 

This is ironic on so many levels :hysterical:

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Doesnt a player with that sought of perfomance deserve some leverage . 

NO.  A player only 'deserves' leverage based on what he's currently adding to the team, and what he can be expected to add to the team going forward.   Sure a proven track record means that his projected performance get a bit of positive weightage.  But that's about it.  The team, or player spots are not inheritances based on past performances.  

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7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dhoni shudnt be an option at 4, he can only bat 5 with his limitations now and can only be replaced with a keeper

I'm sorry.  We can't generously grant Dhoni a spot at #4 - where he's markedly and obviously worse than Manish Pandey, simply because he was great for us in the past.  He has to earn his keep with the gloves and as a batsman at #5.  

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Just now, maniac said:

Team is doing well is the point.....as a lower order hitter he is going to be a baggage against bigger teams as he has been. Define doing well???

100 balls without a boundary means he can adapt and play any role.....

 

Today he also took a single off a full toss in the 47th over meaning he was looking to stay till the end :isalute:

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9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I'm sorry.  We can't generously grant Dhoni a spot at #4 - where he's markedly and obviously worse than Manish Pandey, simply because he was great for us in the past.  He has to earn his keep with the gloves and as a batsman at #5.  

See if Dhoni is doing well with consolidating innings in back to the wall situations he should also be equally equipped to play the destructive innings he used to be able to in his prime...that's what a good lower middle order allrounder does.

 

Dhoni is doing well in consolidating but that's the only type of game he has left...you don't go into a match preparing for a collapse.....clearly his hand eye coordination is done and if we want to pummel opponents then we have to phase out  Dhoni but I do agree in collapse he usually provides calmness but you don't play with that mindset

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Getting out on a full toss happens a lot more when you are attacking...but lunging or blocking it takes special skill :hysterical: 

Ohhh that explains 7(26) in Wc against BD.. He could barely hit a six in his life :phehe:

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Getting out on a full toss happens a lot more when you are attacking...but lunging or blocking it takes special skill :hysterical: 

Our finisher is blocking full tosses in the death overs against a team that had already been pummeled into submission.

 

 

Oh my :facepalm:

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Massive KlpD for sachin chamchas. They couldn't get him out whole series and we won it 4 - 0 and still a match to go

 

 :giggle::giggle::giggle:How ll they recover from this.. 

 

Even cricbuzz couldn't calculate average this series. The he is that good Damnnnn

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44 minutes ago, maniac said:

See if Dhoni is doing well with consolidating innings in back to the wall situations he should also be equally equipped to play the destructive innings he used to be able to in his prime...that's what a good lower middle order allrounder does.

 

Dhoni is doing well in consolidating but that's the only type of game he has left...you don't go into a match preparing for a collapse.....clearly his hand eye coordination is done and if we want to pummel opponents then we have to phase out  Dhoni but I do agree in collapse he usually provides calmness but you don't play with that mindset

Problem is you are expecting him to perform like a lower order 'hitter' - you are still evaluating him as a#6/7 bat, a role he was exceptional at in the past, but can't execute anymore.   You don't need all your 7 batsmen in an ODI lineup to be power hitters.  T20, of course is a different thing - he should be benched for those yesterday.   I think I posted this in a different thread - but we need to evaluate Dhoni by different expectations.   If you expect 30-ball 50s from him, you are bound to be disappointed.  If he can bat at 85+ SR, and with a good level of reliability - i.e. get out cheaply only rarely, then since he's also still a high-level wicket-keeper, he is still a value-add package to the XI, provided we have enough power-hitting at #6 and 7.  

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the guy on the other end made 50(42), hit one less boundary n no six 

What start, dhoni didnt enter when it was 225/2 . he entered when it was 274/5

One more wkt and we were into the tail and forget 350 to then

 

Did any of the centurion batted till 45 overs or end or we have -5-7 wkts left 

 

How many gr8s have u seen batting the same way whole life, tendulkar s/r fluctuated a lot, ganguly dipped, sehwag n yuvi s/r went up runs went down 

 

Sheer lynch mobbing nothing else, if u got blame him be fair addd the other guy batting at same s/r on other end 

So the benchmark for dhoni is someone who isn't known as finisher. Someone who hasn't ever sealed his position in Indian. Someone who has just started getting chances. Someone who is not known for his big hitting. Cool. 

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Problem is you are expecting him to perform like a lower order 'hitter' - you are still evaluating him as a#6/7 bat, a role he was exceptional at in the past, but can't execute anymore.   You don't need all your 7 batsmen in an ODI lineup to be power hitters.  T20, of course is a different thing - he should be benched for those yesterday.   I think I posted this in a different thread - but we need to evaluate Dhoni by different expectations.   If you expect 30-ball 50s from him, you are bound to be disappointed.  If he can bat at 85+ SR, and with a good level of reliability - i.e. get out cheaply only rarely, then since he's also still a high-level wicket-keeper, he is still a value-add package to the XI, provided we have enough power-hitting at #6 and 7.  

We don't need an accumulator then. Rohit, kohli, Rahul and dhawan all can do that. Manish Pandey can also do that and he has a future unlike dhoni now.India has a vacancy for someone who can score quick and isn't a mindless slogger at the same time. If dhoni can't do that then he has no place. Better try new players who may or may not be good enough. Better investment.

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