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Dhoni: when will the torture end???


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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Talking about stats-

 

Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2
2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6
2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3
2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18
2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11
2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11
2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4
2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6
2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5
2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13
2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6
2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3
2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4
2017 16 11 5 1 4 0 134 498 83.00 82.86 11 7
Overall (14) 299 257 72 10 65 8 183* 9608 51.94 88.47 278

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Do people still want him dropped for having one poor year ..........

Yes his s/r have dropped but all top players face some sought of dip in their game .... 

 

This excludes todays innnings, and he has made runs today as

 

Well among his 11 innings

one game in West indies washed out 

one game in West indies were overs got finished

One game he lost for he deserves criticism  .......

 

So basically in among 9 games He played a huge role in winning the game 4 times and in one game against SL in CT he did well which means performed 5 out of 9 games......

 

 

No one is saying he is batting at top, but if someone dip is still that ill happily take that . 

U knw when people are in bad form or done n dusted how their stats look. 

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   In some ways, you are almost as bad as some of the silly Dhoni-haters.

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Talking about stats-

 

Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2
2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6
2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3
2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18
2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11
2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11
2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4
2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6
2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5
2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13
2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6
2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3
2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4
2017 16 11 5 1 4 0 134 498 83.00 82.86 11 7
Overall (14) 299 257 72 10 65 8 183* 9608 51.94 88.47 278

99 

 

 

Do people still want him dropped for having one poor year ..........

Yes his s/r have dropped but all top players face some sought of dip in their game .... 

 

This excludes todays innnings, and he has made runs today as

 

Well among his 11 innings

one game in West indies washed out 

one game in West indies were overs got finished

One game he lost for he deserves criticism  .......

 

So basically in among 9 games He played a huge role in winning the game 4 times and in one game against SL in CT he did well which means performed 5 out of 9 games......

 

 

No one is saying he is batting at top, but if someone dip is still that ill happily take that . 

U knw when people are in bad form or done n dusted how their stats look. 

 

52.2 is his current average :p:

 

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Lol read your post twice...isn't Dhoni's torture enough?

Will give you an upvote for the clever retort.  But if you are intent on missing my point, which is quite clearly laid out, then no sense reading the scriptures to a deaf buffalo.  

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   In some ways, you are almost as bad as some of the silly Dhoni-haters.

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

He has stats from 2004 to 2017. 2017 is present I believe. 

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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Stop posting ten year old stats to defend Dhoni.  They are not relevant anymore.   

 

His batting abilities have faded.  Noticeably.  And he's rightly under the microscope at #5.   Manish Pandey and even the inconsistent fragile KL Rahul is a better option at #4, the latter as an investment in the future.  

 

The time is right to audition the future Dhoni replacement for ODIs, in T20s.  And that right time has been for a year now.  It will be a miracle if Dhoni is able to sustain the level of performance required for him to play in the 2019 WC.   But none of those harsh facts can justify the rank stupidity of this thread's opening premise. 

 

 

I have written his abilities has faded, still he is contributing 

My point is not 10 yr old stats, the stat m pointing is consistency . Doesnt a player with that sought of perfomance deserve some leverage . 

 

Apart from 1 yrs he has been perfoming every year, 1st find me how many have done that . Now his the effect has gone down but still runs are their which is still a contribution in some way. 

 

Any top player faces dip some were or other, what matters is that is he still contributing. Dhoni is

Have audition but let someone earn that position to say this guy is better and dhoni shud hang his boots, option cnt be worst 

 

 

Dhoni shudnt be an option at 4, he can only bat 5 with his limitations now and can only be replaced with a keeper

KL and manish will fight against one another, since no one in top order bowls we need one batsman who can give cushion of few overs 

About KL n manish , are they still taking responsibilty n fighting out

KL didnt this series

Manish didnt in NZ

Dhoni did it in both may be not with gr8 effect but atleast he fought it out 

 

So he cant be our biggest problem as of now 

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Doesnt a player with that sought of perfomance deserve some leverage . 

NO.  A player only 'deserves' leverage based on what he's currently adding to the team, and what he can be expected to add to the team going forward.   Sure a proven track record means that his projected performance get a bit of positive weightage.  But that's about it.  The team, or player spots are not inheritances based on past performances.  

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7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dhoni shudnt be an option at 4, he can only bat 5 with his limitations now and can only be replaced with a keeper

I'm sorry.  We can't generously grant Dhoni a spot at #4 - where he's markedly and obviously worse than Manish Pandey, simply because he was great for us in the past.  He has to earn his keep with the gloves and as a batsman at #5.  

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Just now, maniac said:

Team is doing well is the point.....as a lower order hitter he is going to be a baggage against bigger teams as he has been. Define doing well???

100 balls without a boundary means he can adapt and play any role.....

 

Today he also took a single off a full toss in the 47th over meaning he was looking to stay till the end :isalute:

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9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I'm sorry.  We can't generously grant Dhoni a spot at #4 - where he's markedly and obviously worse than Manish Pandey, simply because he was great for us in the past.  He has to earn his keep with the gloves and as a batsman at #5.  

See if Dhoni is doing well with consolidating innings in back to the wall situations he should also be equally equipped to play the destructive innings he used to be able to in his prime...that's what a good lower middle order allrounder does.

 

Dhoni is doing well in consolidating but that's the only type of game he has left...you don't go into a match preparing for a collapse.....clearly his hand eye coordination is done and if we want to pummel opponents then we have to phase out  Dhoni but I do agree in collapse he usually provides calmness but you don't play with that mindset

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