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We must play Pakistan in the desert, I desperately want us to blank them and become the 1st team to storm their citadel.

 

Another option is WI/BD. I am very impressed with some of their players and want to see how they'll tackle our gun players. They will offer much more resistance than the Lankans and may even snatch a few victories here and there. The Lankan series in Nov-Dec is a bloody waste of time, energy and money which may cost us the SA series next year.

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We should schedule a 5 match series against Pakistan and blank them.

Because of their jihad hate they will compete but it will be pure fun when they get beaten down.

We must play Pakistan in the desert, I desperately want us to blank them and become the 1st team to storm their citadel.
 
Another option is WI/BD. I am very impressed with some of their players and want to see how they'll tackle our gun players. They will offer much more resistance than the Lankans and may even snatch a few victories here and there. The Lankan series in Nov-Dec is a bloody waste of time, energy and money which may cost us the SA series next year.


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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Believe me most friends in my circle want an Indo-Pak series in the desert. Our matches are crazy fun, no matter who is winning. Wish our narrow minded politicians kept politics out of certain sports. 

So true man. I can't see any reason why we refuse to play them. In fact, the best way to go about it would be to hold a India-Pak cricket match right after a terror incident like 26/11 so that we can show our solidarity with the neighbors. And we can also bring the family members of the terror victims as special guests. Can you imagine the CRAZY FUN we shall have?

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5 hours ago, goose said:

daft question but what exactly does SL need the extra money for?

They aren't exactly bringing in a lot of cash from their local TV and stadium revenue.   ICC revenue share and money from hosting touring teams from richer TV markets forms the lions share of their income.   Their administrators are the typical corrupt babu types, and have blown a lot of money recently building white elephant stadiums that don't really get used aside from the odd international game.   

 

In one of Andrew Fernando's recent articles slamming the board, he pointed out that the board had failed to organize their premier 4 team First Class tournament for the last 2 years, despite announcing it multiple times.  Not sure if its due to lack of funds, or lack of intent.  Bottomline, SL Cricket has a lot of room for improvement in terms of how its managed.   

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The Same SL team bullied us for a good 5 years with Jayasuriya and co, i for one am enjoying this long series of phainty we are giving them day in and day out, since Dhoni had taken over as captain, its been all India ever since.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

They aren't exactly bringing in a lot of cash from their local TV and stadium revenue.   ICC revenue share and money from hosting touring teams from richer TV markets forms the lions share of their income.   Their administrators are the typical corrupt babu types, and have blown a lot of money recently building white elephant stadiums that don't really get used aside from the odd international game.   

 

In one of Andrew Fernando's recent articles slamming the board, he pointed out that the board had failed to organize their premier 4 team First Class tournament for the last 2 years, despite announcing it multiple times.  Not sure if its due to lack of funds, or lack of intent.  Bottomline, SL Cricket has a lot of room for improvement in terms of how its managed.   

strikes me as being similar to the old argument of welfare state versus making work pay.

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35 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

The Same SL team bullied us for a good 5 years with Jayasuriya and co, i for one am enjoying this long series of phainty we are giving them day in and day out, since Dhoni had taken over as captain, its been all India ever since.

it was never to this extent, they merely competed in India and beat in SL. SL never won a test in India. telling stat. India now totally dominates SL, last i remember is Zim

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14 minutes ago, goose said:

strikes me as being similar to the old argument of welfare state versus making work pay.

I think the problem is that you are approaching the issue from a pre-determined position - You clearly believe that international cricket needs reforms that introduce financial consequences for losing, and everything else flows from there.   I don't necessarily disagree with you on your theory,  but in my opinion, that's tertiary or lower.   The larger issue for Cricket is the fact that at any given time, there are only 5 or fewer countries who are really able to field teams that can compete at a top-class level.   Its more important for the game to figure out a strategy that increases that number, rather than think in punitive terms.    Especially in the coming years, when international cricket fixtures outside of World Cup tournaments are bound to shrink.   

 

Of course, no person or organization should continue to collect rewards for poor performance, and accountability is important.  But the odds of sports teams and organizations getting better by reducing the resources they have, are not high.  

 

 

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24 minutes ago, goose said:

strikes me as being similar to the old argument of welfare state versus making work pay.

its a bit more complex. Bit like investment in overseas market development, if BCCI looses SLC as a provider of able competing team then team India is so much poorer, already lost padosies to politics.

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4 minutes ago, Vilander said:

its a bit more complex. Bit like investment in overseas market development, if BCCI looses SLC as a provider of able competing team then team India is so much poorer, already lost padosies to politics Jihad rage

corrected myself

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What has Indian cricket achieved playing Westindies and Srilanka in 10 straight matches?

 

sure our overall win-loss % has improved but how did it in anyway benefit Indian cricket.

 

Players have improved their stats

 

apart from that

 

who are the new talents we unearthed?

 

can we say that we have the perfect x1 for all conditions with capable backups after this long boring season?

 

Without turning this into Dhoni bashing- I have always maintained he is our greatest LOI MVP since Kapil but do we have a backup for him when he eventually retires?

 

can we be confident against big teams if Kohli is injured god forbid in a crucial must win game?

 

there was a period after 2005 when even if SRT Dravid Kumble where rested we would roll over opposition-can we feel the same confidence now if our main players are injured/rested?

 

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Just now, maniac said:

What has Indian cricket achieved playing Westindies and Srilanka in 10 straight matches?

 

sure our overall win-loss % has improved but how did it in anyway benefit Indian cricket.

 

Players have improved their stats

 

apart from that

 

who are the new talents we unearthed?

 

can we say that we have the perfect x1 for all conditions with capable backups after this long boring season?

 

Without turning this into Dhoni bashing- I have always maintained he is our greatest LOI MVP since Kapil but do we have a backup for him when he eventually retires?

 

can we be confident against big teams if Kohli is injured god forbid in a crucial must win game?

 

there was a period after 2005 when even if SRT Dravid Kumble where rested we would roll over opposition-can we feel the same confidence now if our main players are injured/rested?

 

We wont miss a beat if Dhoni is kicked out next game....

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3 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said:

India is due to play with sri lanka in nov-dec   at the cost of delaying competitive SA tour .....huh are they high???

There's a backstory there.  South Africa is trying to milk maximum $$$ from the Indian tour - they want India to play max number of ODIs, T20s, and also have India play their "boxing day" and New Year's test.  While they are actively and openly working against BCCI interests at the ICC level.   So the BCCI are retaliating by reducing Indian team's availability - no hope for SA to host India in December and early Jan.  And say goodbye to that massive number of LOI fixtures.   BCCI are doing what they can to increase India's chances in the test series though - they insisted on a warm-up game before the tests, for example.  

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17 hours ago, G_B_ said:

I dont think we are doing ourselves any favors playing SL

Well not directly in the area of cricket, but it possibly secures a vote with BCCI in ICC meetings. 

And let's wait till we play and win outside of the subcontinent

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

What has Indian cricket achieved playing Westindies and Srilanka in 10 straight matches?

 

sure our overall win-loss % has improved but how did it in anyway benefit Indian cricket.

 

Players have improved their stats

 

apart from that

 

who are the new talents we unearthed?

 

can we say that we have the perfect x1 for all conditions with capable backups after this long boring season?

 

Without turning this into Dhoni bashing- I have always maintained he is our greatest LOI MVP since Kapil but do we have a backup for him when he eventually retires?

 

can we be confident against big teams if Kohli is injured god forbid in a crucial must win game?

 

there was a period after 2005 when even if SRT Dravid Kumble where rested we would roll over opposition-can we feel the same confidence now if our main players are injured/rested?

 

Rare instance where I agree with Froggy.  Lot of room for improvement in terms of selection policy and auditioning talent.  

 

This is what happens when cricket decisions are made with non-cricket priorities in mind - such as TV revenue, favors for the opposition board, etc etc.  

 

The saving grace is that our 'A' team has played away tours with full tests and ODIs in South Africa and Australia in the last 12 months or so.   That is pretty good.  

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9 hours ago, Gollum said:

We must play Pakistan in the desert, I desperately want us to blank them and become the 1st team to storm their citadel.

 

I would rather we play in England.

 

Better crowds, better pitches.

 

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

What has Indian cricket achieved playing Westindies and Srilanka in 10 straight matches?

 

 

The only thing achieved in the WI ODI series was Kuldeep getting 5 games.

 

Nothing else of interest on that tour really as no other youngsters were tried.

 

 

The SL tour is different 

 

We have tried Shardul, Chahal, Pandey, Rahul at 4, Axar and Kuldeep.

 

 

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

The only thing achieved in the WI ODI series was Kuldeep getting 5 games.

 

Nothing else of interest on that tour really as no other youngsters were tried.

 

 

The SL tour is different 

 

We have tried Shardul, Chahal, Pandey, Rahul at 4, Axar and Kuldeep.

 

 

How many games Pant got? 0?

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

I think the problem is that you are approaching the issue from a pre-determined position - You clearly believe that international cricket needs reforms that introduce financial consequences for losing, and everything else flows from there.   I don't necessarily disagree with you on your theory,  but in my opinion, that's tertiary or lower.   The larger issue for Cricket is the fact that at any given time, there are only 5 or fewer countries who are really able to field teams that can compete at a top-class level.   Its more important for the game to figure out a strategy that increases that number, rather than think in punitive terms.    Especially in the coming years, when international cricket fixtures outside of World Cup tournaments are bound to shrink.   

 

Of course, no person or organization should continue to collect rewards for poor performance, and accountability is important.  But the odds of sports teams and organizations getting better by reducing the resources they have, are not high.  

 

 

i want to increase the number of top flight teams too but the current status quo isn't exactly working either. fans are turning away from the test cricket because the outcomes have no consequence. you can make tiddlywinks exciting if you have consequences. more people will tune in. more sponsors. more TV ratings etc. 

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1 hour ago, Iconoclast said:

I would rather we play in England.

 

Better crowds, better pitches.

 

 

Nah desert is fine. For an Indo-Pak match crowds will fill even if held in the Brazilian Snake Island. Point is Pak have never been defeated there and India has crushed every side bar Pak in the SC the last few years. A 5 test series in UAE will be epic, a classic case of unstoppable force vs immovable object. Pakistan is the only side that can beat India in Asia, India is the only side that can beat Pakistan in Asia...mouth watering contest for the ages....Alas we can only dream about it. 

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1 hour ago, goose said:

i want to increase the number of top flight teams too but the current status quo isn't exactly working either. fans are turning away from the test cricket because the outcomes have no consequence. you can make tiddlywinks exciting if you have consequences. more people will tune in. more sponsors. more TV ratings etc. 

Agree with you that contests need context, and consequences.   The whole bilateral setup in cricket is a vestigial dinosaur.   But I don't think Cricket can blindly go the tiering and relegation route like Club Football, where poor performances can quickly be addressed with a checkbook and renting better talent, regardless of national origin.  

 

I would suggest its better to reward those at the top, incentivizing improvement, rather than punish those at the bottom.  

Instead of threatening lower ranked teams with "relegation", reward the top 4 test teams with a special set of test matches, which would result in a team being ranked the best in the world.   And make that financially rewarding as well.  

Make the ranking system more meaningful for instance - start giving 'byes' to the top ranked teams in global tournaments.   

 

Change is required, context and consequences are necessary.  But things are unlikely to get better by making the poor, poorer.  Yes, there is a moral hazard issue that doesn't punish the incompetent, but different carrots and sticks have to be fashioned to address that.   

 

In my view, You need to have 4+ top-class batsmen and at least 3+ top class bowlers to be competitive in test cricket.   Historically, Cricket only has had 5 or fewer teams at this level.  Realistically, its very possible to get this number higher.   But only countries with healthy and competitive domestic systems can forge and polish the required test-calibre talent.  If the individual boards keep failing to create a competitive "minor league" feeder system for test cricket, then the ICC should be pro-active on this front.  ICC has enough money to create a tiered system at the Associate level and establish a schedule that gives the top 10 associates a chance to play close to 35-40 matches a year.  Allow lower-ranked 'test' teams to send 'A' teams to participate if necessary.   

 

 

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6 hours ago, Vilander said:

it was never to this extent, they merely competed in India and beat in SL. SL never won a test in India. telling stat. India now totally dominates SL, last i remember is Zim

Merely Compete includes a loss in the World Cup Semi Final at eden gardens, where our players cried and crowd threw bottles, career demolition of Venky Prasad, humiliating 53 all out, so on and so forth.. 

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