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26 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

While the petty fans of a certain outdated dhoni are screaming at top of their voices about puny records...this is the kind of record that you need celebratory threads for.

You can boast after kohli has won a World Cup, T20 and champions trophy. He just doesn't seem to contribute in crucial tournaments crunch stages. 

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23 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

He is being gracious that's all. He has no equal, 47 avg at 90+ SR in the 70s and 80s when a 35/70 stats would make one an ATG. 2 match winning performances in 2 finals(4 direct hits in 1975 !!!!) and according to anyone who saw him bat, the most ferocious beast who had ever taken stance. If some modern player can have avg 65, SR 130 and a 200 in a WC finals, I will place him equal to Viv. 

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31 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

 

Whatever reason you may have for that view, for the same reason Viv Richards is not fit to lace the shoes of a certain Sehwag.

Sehwag is an Indian ATG, but you are exposing your lack of cricket knowledge here. Sehwag is a mouse compared to Viv the lion. The beast from Antigua has no equal in the history of the game, not Sachin, not Lara, not Ponting, forget puny Sehwag.  

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37 minutes ago, gattaca said:

As a captain. Still can't believe the way he got out to Amir in the champions trophy.

So if you don't win World Cup as skipper you are crap lol

 

one frigging dissmissal amongst glorious career . Give him a break . You ever played cricket before ?

 

 

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1 hour ago, sourab10forever said:

While the petty fans of a certain outdated dhoni are screaming at top of their voices about puny records...this is the kind of record that you need celebratory threads for.

Yup certainly better than any other Indian odi bat. Dhoni definitely comes a distant second after him.

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Highest averages
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
RN ten Doeschate (NL) 2006-2011 33 32 9 1541 119 67.00 1757 87.70 5 9 1 130 29
V Kohli (INDIA) 2008-2017 194 186 32 8587 183 55.75 9362 91.72 30 44 11 803 94
Babar Azam (PAK) 2015-2017 31 31 4 1455 125* 53.88 1643 88.55 5 6 0 120 17
MG Bevan (AUS) 1994-2004 232 196 67 6912 108* 53.58 9320 74.16 6 46 5 450 21
AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) 2005-2017 222 213 39 9319 162* 53.55 9295 100.25 24 53 7 819 194
MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA) 2004-2017 301 259 74 9658 183* 52.20 10903 88.58 10 65 8 741 210

Overall average has went up to 55.75 after this series. :adore:

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38 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

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Highest averages
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
RN ten Doeschate (NL) 2006-2011 33 32 9 1541 119 67.00 1757 87.70 5 9 1 130 29
V Kohli (INDIA) 2008-2017 194 186 32 8587 183 55.75 9362 91.72 30 44 11 803 94
Babar Azam (PAK) 2015-2017 31 31 4 1455 125* 53.88 1643 88.55 5 6 0 120 17
MG Bevan (AUS) 1994-2004 232 196 67 6912 108* 53.58 9320 74.16 6 46 5 450 21
AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) 2005-2017 222 213 39 9319 162* 53.55 9295 100.25 24 53 7 819 194
MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA) 2004-2017 301 259 74 9658 183* 52.20 10903 88.58 10 65 8 741 210

Overall average has went up to 55.75 after this series. :adore:

RTDs average here is odd .. boasted agaisnt playing associate teams

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

He is being gracious that's all. He has no equal, 47 avg at 90+ SR in the 70s and 80s when a 35/70 stats would make one an ATG. 2 match winning performances in 2 finals(4 direct hits in 1975 !!!!) and according to anyone who saw him bat, the most ferocious beast who had ever taken stance. If some modern player can have avg 65, SR 130 and a 200 in a WC finals, I will place him equal to Viv. 

Lol even if he is being gracious, it still proves that he is certainly an ATG .

"cannot tie the shoe laces of a certain Viv Richards..." Total non-sense statement that.

 

Virat Kohli is an ATG...anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't understand cricket.

 

Hundreds of renowned crickets/cricket analysts have made their all time 11s. more than 90% of them have VK in their squad. You have your answer right there.

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

He is being gracious that's all. He has no equal, 47 avg at 90+ SR in the 70s and 80s when a 35/70 stats would make one an ATG. 2 match winning performances in 2 finals(4 direct hits in 1975 !!!!) and according to anyone who saw him bat, the most ferocious beast who had ever taken stance. If some modern player can have avg 65, SR 130 and a 200 in a WC finals, I will place him equal to Viv. 

While Viv is the greatest ODI player of all time, you are romanticising too much. That West Indies team was the greatest but they were no superhumans either.

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

He is being gracious that's all. He has no equal, 47 avg at 90+ SR in the 70s and 80s when a 35/70 stats would make one an ATG. 2 match winning performances in 2 finals(4 direct hits in 1975 !!!!) and according to anyone who saw him bat, the most ferocious beast who had ever taken stance. If some modern player can have avg 65, SR 130 and a 200 in a WC finals, I will place him equal to Viv. 

35/70 stats would make someone a legend ? Huh ? Heights of BS and exaggeration.

 

Dean Jones, Zaheer Abbas, Mianded, Greg Chappell all averaged comfortably in the 40s at a very decent strike rate in the same ODI era as Richards. 

 

Sehwag on the other hand is VIVs DADDY in Test cricket. Opened the batting in Tests, averaging 50 8500 plus runs at ODI strike rate of 80 plus, god knows how many 200 plus scores, 2 triples and about  25 tons  ! For someone who has forever been a lower middle order batsmen to come out and do this in Test cricket and tonk around 150K plus bowlers silly  - and you call him a mouse compared to VIv. VIv maybe bigger physically, but in terms of cricketing talent if Sehwag is a mouse, VIv is a lizard 

 

 

In ODIS, Kohli is a BOSS. THE BOSS.

GOAT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

why this hate bro?  Are you upset at Kohli bcoz of the rift he had with Kumble's coaching style?...just curious. 

I don't hate Kohli bro, he is one of my favourites. But when people here run down SRT and the GOAT Viv, it makes me angry. I made those posts in anger more because of the despicable comments made by Kohli fans and not because I hate Kohli or something. I hate it when people over rate some of the modern day players and make them appear to be something they aren't. If you look at stats ABDV, Kohli, Amla look like the 3 greatest ODI players but they are simply no match for Viv, SRT and a couple more. 

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2 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

Lol even if he is being gracious, it still proves that he is certainly an ATG .

"cannot tie the shoe laces of a certain Viv Richards..." Total non-sense statement that.

 

Virat Kohli is an ATG...anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't understand cricket.

 

Hundreds of renowned crickets/cricket analysts have made their all time 11s. more than 90% of them have VK in their squad. You have your answer right there.

Kohli is an ATG, 100% AGREE. But Viv is the undisputed GOAT in ODIs. "Not fit to lace the shoes" was a metaphorical statement and I would apply that to even a certain ABDV. The gulf in class between the GOAT(Viv) and these mortals is too wide, there will never be another player even comparable to Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards in the future, he is an anomaly like Dhyan Chand, Usain Bolt, Phelps etc.

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7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I don't hate Kohli bro, he is one of my favourites. But when people here run down SRT and the GOAT Viv, it makes me angry. I made those posts in anger more because of the despicable comments made by Kohli fans and not because I hate Kohli or something. I hate it when people over rate some of the modern day players and make them appear to be something they aren't. If you look at stats ABDV, Kohli, Amla look like the 3 greatest ODI players but they are simply no match for Viv, SRT and a couple more. 

Well, that's why I don't post anything negative about any player, it can easily rile up other posters and then people take it personal.

The past legends and today's future legends should be respected & comparisons of performances often lead to arguments. Each player has his best side and some weakness. we have to accept, live with it & enjoy the game :wp3:

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2 hours ago, narenpande1 said:

35/70 stats would make someone a legend ? Huh ? Heights of BS and exaggeration.

 

Dean Jones, Zaheer Abbas, Mianded, Greg Chappell all averaged comfortably in the 40s at a very decent strike rate in the same ODI era as Richards. 

 

Sehwag on the other hand is VIVs DADDY in Test cricket. Opened the batting in Tests, averaging 50 8500 plus runs at ODI strike rate of 80 plus, god knows how many 200 plus scores, 2 triples and about  25 tons  ! For someone who has forever been a lower middle order batsmen to come out and do this in Test cricket and tonk around 150K plus bowlers silly  - and you call him a mouse compared to VIv. VIv maybe bigger physically, but in terms of cricketing talent if Sehwag is a mouse, VIv is a lizard 

 

 

In ODIS, Kohli is a BOSS. THE BOSS.

GOAT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chappell-too low a sample size

Abbas-Chickened out of foreign tours, wet his pants on seeing quicks

Miandad-Low SR and huge home-away mismatch

Dean Jones-Pioneer of ODI batting, a legit ODI ATG, only downside is he could never tear the opposition apart nor had many defining knocks. 

 

Sehwag is a certified ISO standard HTB cum FTB. Check his record in England, NZ, SA and you will die laughing. A joke against the seaming or swinging ball. Made a career on certain pitches like Ashwin of today, not that i mind it. Both are tremendous cricketers and matchwinners. But you can't seriously compare a Sehwag to a Viv just like you can't compare Ashwin to Warne. I don't want to badmouth our legends but you guys are forcing me to with your ignorant ramblings. 

 

Kohli is an ATG but what happens to him in WCs? While his record there isn't embarrassing but he has a long long way to go when you see that his GOAT rivals like SRT and Viv have owned the biggest stage handsomely. If Kohli can correct that record and say score 700 runs in 2019 and 600 runs in 2023 edition(even if he can't lead the team to title, I won't downplay him) I will consider him marginally better than SRT. 

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 ghar ki murgi daal barabar, kohli is a phenom in odi cricket,he was already an odi great 2-3 years back and in another 2-3 years from now will become best ever in odis and dhoni will be 2nd best,both these guys have dominated odi cricket,no odi team will be complete without these two

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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Every team in that era had a better bowling unit than the corresponding teams in 2017. 

which teams had better bowling unit? India, SL, NZ apart from Hadlee who retired by mid 80s. which great bowlers England had? Botham who averaged 28 with the ball in that era despite playing a lot in England. SA was facing apartheid. Australia had one Lillie, Thomson barely played 50 ODIs. Only Pak had a good attack that too only after Akram debuted in 85. They too only had Imran and to some extent spinner Qadir before that.

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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Every team in that era had a better bowling unit than the corresponding teams in 2017. 

 

No, they did not !

 

Most really good bowlers of that era were in Richard's team.

 

Only Australia in the '70s was a really lethal attack but that was in test matches, not ODIs.  And it was only for around 5 years of Richards' career.

 

Pakistan had one great bowler at a time during Richards' era.  By the time Wasim was good, Imran had declined.  Waqar started playing at the fag end of Richards' career.

 

NZ had only Hadlee.... see him off and it was a group of mediocre bowlers.

 

England was very mediocre and so was India ( apart from Kapil Dev for 6 years. )

 

SL was just starting off.

 

South Africa was banned for apartheid.

 

So..... which team are you talking about  ?

 

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39 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

which teams had better bowling unit? India, SL, NZ apart from Hadlee who retired by mid 80s. which great bowlers England had? Botham who averaged 28 with the ball in that era despite playing a lot in England. SA was facing apartheid. Australia had one Lillie, Thomson barely played 50 ODIs. Only Pak had a good attack that too only after Akram debuted in 85. They too only had Imran and to some extent spinner Qadir before that.

Yaar you are correct, spot on. That era had only Hadllee , who is he in front of the ferocious Southee? Only Imran, only Lillee, only Kapil, only Botham, only Willis, only Akram, only Mc Dermott,  only Pascoe, saare ghatiya bowler hai naa? Who are they in front of modern day bowling greats? Thank God Hadlee never had to bowl at Kohli else he would have retired as a one ODI/test wonder. After all Kohli is a master of off stump seaming/swinging deliveries that he so wonderfully exhibited in 2014 against the real greats like Broad and Anderson. On NZ green tops against Hadlee with the red cherry I am sure Kohli would have scored a 25 ball ton every 2nd innings. Viv Richards hai kaun?

 

Don't forget the pitches these days yaar, so hard to bat on. Kookaburra swings like a banana till 20th over(sorry 40 overs due to 2 new balls) as opposed to the red dukes during Viv's time which faded away after the 1st over, right? Now we have a one bouncer rule unlike the 70s and 80s which had unlimited bouncers rule, must be so difficult for modern day batsmen. Fielding restrictions, powerplay rules etc are such a tough proposition for modern day batsman because they are there to help bowlers, just like free hits and 55 m boundaries. Modern day bats are also another hindrance because unlike them in earlier bats, just wave the bat in your hands and ball would go for 200m six, hence so many sixes back then. 

 

You are right man, thanks for disseminating knowledge, both you and others in this thread. I have come to the understanding that Viv is an ordinary batsman, forget Kohli, he is even more mediocre than Rayudu. Kohli is GOAT, Kohli is life, gosh I feel enlightened. 

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22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

No, they did not !

 

Most really good bowlers of that era were in Richard's team.

 

Only Australia in the '70s was a really lethal attack but that was in test matches, not ODIs.  And it was only for around 5 years of Richards' career.

 

Pakistan had one great bowler at a time during Richards' era.  By the time Wasim was good, Imran had declined.  Waqar started playing at the fag end of Richards' career.

 

NZ had only Hadlee.... see him off and it was a group of mediocre bowlers.

 

England was very mediocre and so was India ( apart from Kapil Dev for 6 years. )

 

SL was just starting off.

 

South Africa was banned for apartheid.

 

So..... which team are you talking about  ?

 

OK, got it. So Wahab/Aamir>>>>Imran, Ws

Wiley, Stokes, Plunkett, Woakes>>>>>Botham, Willis and England was a mediocre team in spite of making 3 finals in the 1st 5 editions unlike today's England which wins WCs just like that

Bhuvi>>>>>Kapil and India was mediocre in 1983 and 1985 (where in spite of bowling out all teams we were just a mediocre bowling unit) 

some random NZ pace battery>>>>Hadlee+friends because as you so rightly pointed out...just play off Hadlee and it is easy runs. Must be so damn simple, just play out Mcgrath, just play out Marshall, just play out Ambrose...then make merry. Wonder why Kohli didn't apply this wonderful advice by playing out Anderson and milking the others in 2014?

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15 hours ago, narenpande1 said:

Kohli is the GREATEST EVER ODI PLAYER. No debate required.

 

12 hours ago, Tibarn said:

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Highest averages
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
RN ten Doeschate (NL) 2006-2011 33 32 9 1541 119 67.00 1757 87.70 5 9 1 130 29
V Kohli (INDIA) 2008-2017 194 186 32 8587 183 55.75 9362 91.72 30 44 11 803 94
Babar Azam (PAK) 2015-2017 31 31 4 1455 125* 53.88 1643 88.55 5 6 0 120 17
MG Bevan (AUS) 1994-2004 232 196 67 6912 108* 53.58 9320 74.16 6 46 5 450 21
AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) 2005-2017 222 213 39 9319 162* 53.55 9295 100.25 24 53 7 819 194
MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA) 2004-2017 301 259 74 9658 183* 52.20 10903 88.58 10 65 8 741 210

Overall average has went up to 55.75 after this series. :adore:

Now he needs to take his strike rate up to 100 as well :drool:

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So much intellectual dishonesty and glory hunting among many posters on ICF. Pretty sure in the future when some kid comes and scores at an average of 80 with SR 150 on decks where 450 is a par ODI score, they will mock Kohli just like they are mocking SRT and Viv here. Reminds me of a famous saying:- There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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55 minutes ago, Gollum said:

OK, got it. So Wahab/Aamir>>>>Imran, Ws

In ODIs,  Richards averaged only 30 against Pakistan

 

Further.... he did not play more than a couple of matches against Waqar.

 

When Wasim became a good ODI bowler.... Imran was nearing the end of his bowling career.

 

Umar Gul, Md. Amir, Saeed Ajmal and Md. Irfan are very good ODI bowlers .... it is immaterial how they are in test matches.

 

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Wiley, Stokes, Plunkett, Woakes>>>>>Botham, Willis

As ODI bowlers, the quality is pretty much similar.   Willis was a top TEST bowler.

 

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and England was a mediocre team in spite of making 3 finals in the 1st 5 editions unlike today's England which wins WCs just like that

I was talking about mediocre bowlers and not necessarily mediocre sides.  Lots of ODIs are / were  won by good batting, unlike test matches where you have to take 20 wickets to win.

 

Further, in that era, there were  fewer good ODI teams.... SA, SL were not there / rookie team. 

 

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Bhuvi>>>>>Kapil and

No... but Bumrah and Shami are atleast as good as Kapil as ODI bowlers.

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India was mediocre in 1983 and 1985 (where in spite of bowling out all teams we were just a mediocre bowling unit) 

Again mediocre bowling attack which had only Kapil as star ODI bowler.

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some random NZ pace battery>>>>Hadlee+friends because as you so rightly pointed out...just play off Hadlee and it is easy runs. Must be so damn simple, just play out Mcgrath, just play out Marshall, just play out Ambrose...then make merry.

Boult, McCleneghan, Southee / Mills  as a whole have more pressure building ability in ODIs.

 

If you played out MCGrath.... you still had Warne, Lee, Gillespie etc to contend with

If you played out Marshall you still had Garner, Holding, and later on Walsh etc. to contend with..... your logic does not apply here.

 

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Wonder why Kohli didn't apply this wonderful advice by playing out Anderson and milking the others in 2014?

In test matches there is no over restriction.  Also, there were other good pacers like Broad and Woakes to follow.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Gollum said:

So much intellectual dishonesty and glory hunting among many posters on ICF. Pretty sure in the future when some kid comes and scores at an average of 80 with SR 150 on decks where 450 is a par ODI score, they will mock Kohli just like they are mocking SRT and Viv here. Reminds me of a famous saying:- There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

 

It is very difficult to compare eras.

 

Trying to do so is more of an intellectual dishonesty.

 

There  were some things better then and some things better now.

 

Saying that all the past greats were better than all the current greats is as much a fallacy as saying the other way round.

 

There are so many factors that influence the ultimate results and would take more than 5 pages to even discuss.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Yaar you are correct, spot on. That era had only Hadllee , who is he in front of the ferocious Southee? Only Imran, only Lillee, only Kapil, only Botham, only Willis, only Akram, only Mc Dermott,  only Pascoe, saare ghatiya bowler hai naa? Who are they in front of modern day bowling greats? Thank God Hadlee never had to bowl at Kohli else he would have retired as a one ODI/test wonder. After all Kohli is a master of off stump seaming/swinging deliveries that he so wonderfully exhibited in 2014 against the real greats like Broad and Anderson. On NZ green tops against Hadlee with the red cherry I am sure Kohli would have scored a 25 ball ton every 2nd innings. Viv Richards hai kaun?

 

Don't forget the pitches these days yaar, so hard to bat on. Kookaburra swings like a banana till 20th over(sorry 40 overs due to 2 new balls) as opposed to the red dukes during Viv's time which faded away after the 1st over, right? Now we have a one bouncer rule unlike the 70s and 80s which had unlimited bouncers rule, must be so difficult for modern day batsmen. Fielding restrictions, powerplay rules etc are such a tough proposition for modern day batsman because they are there to help bowlers, just like free hits and 55 m boundaries. Modern day bats are also another hindrance because unlike them in earlier bats, just wave the bat in your hands and ball would go for 200m six, hence so many sixes back then. 

 

You are right man, thanks for disseminating knowledge, both you and others in this thread. I have come to the understanding that Viv is an ordinary batsman, forget Kohli, he is even more mediocre than Rayudu. Kohli is GOAT, Kohli is life, gosh I feel enlightened. 

Botham and Willis may be great ODI bowlers for you, not for me. Both have strike ate of 43 and 44 with average of 28 in that supposedly bowling friendly era that too bowling in England. Kapil Dev had a mighty SR of 44 in ODIs. Len Pascoe played 29 ODIs. Dennis Lillie retired by 83 and only played 63 ODIs. 

 

Against Pakistan which I think had a very good ODI bowling unit first in Imran and Qadir, then with Akram, he averaged 30 in 41 games, 0 100s.

 

Rahi baat fielding restrictions ki. ODIs used to see field placings like test in those days. So, please dont talk about field restrictions and stop over-rating conditions in those days like they were playing grass lawns every game. Even conditions in England could be as flat as any where.

 

Yes, Viv was an outlier in ODIs because there were no other good ODI batsmen or batsmen who knew how to approach ODIs. You are also saying only if someone averages 65 and SR of 130 can only surpass Viv in ODIs that is stupid and a ridiculous parameter.

 

Now see who has Kohli faced in his 9 year career. The biggest one in that list is Murlidharan at his best, he tackled him rather easily. When our big dhurandhar collapsed to Mendis and Murli in tests in 2008, this guy debuted at 19 and showed how to deal with them in the ODI series that followed. Then lets talk about Broad and Anderson, both are as good a bowlers as Botham and Willis if not better. If you talk about 70s and 80s as bowling era, think how good these two could have been in those days. Then talk about Brett Lee, one of the best ODI bowlers ever, certainly in category of Hadlee, Lillie when it comes to ODIs. Then Mitchell Johnson averaged 25 in this era who is as good or probably better than Mcdermott, willis, Botham. Morkel averaged under 25 in this era, Dale Steyn averaging 26 in ODI, on the higher side than tests but still better than your Bothams and Willis'. Kagiso Rabada another bright spark in SA bowling. Mitchell Starc arguably one of the best ODI bowler ever along with McGrath, Garner, Brett Lee. Josh Hazelwood averaging under 24 in this era. Imran Tahir averaging 23 in this era while our leading Indian spinners average 30 and 35. Trent Boult from NZ averages 25.

 

Add Malinga, Saeed Ajmal, Narine to the list as well.

 

And these guys are from this era when you say we dont have good bowlers and Kohli has faced all of them in his career spanning 2008 to 2017.

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Modern day ODI bowlers are very under-rated.

 

After the T20 era began,  lots of skill-sets have developed .... like bowling yorkers with more consistency, more frequent usage of wider yorkers, knuckle balls, atleast 10 different types of slower balls.

 

There are many bowlers who may never be ATG test bowlers but are more effective in ODIs than ATG test bowlers.  

 

Many people mix up ATG test bowlers with top ODI bowlers.

 

Further .... bowlers like Starc, Bumrah, Malinga, Hazlewood, Johnson, Lee, Morkel, Steyn, Boult, Ajmal, Tahir, Narine, Mendis are some of the finest ODI bowlers to have played the game in the history of ODI cricket.

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Kohli's record is absolutely great.But still he needs to prove a bit more in tournament crunch situations in one dayers.Having said that it really surprises me as to why he could'nt repeat his amazing clutch performances in T20 tournaments into one dayers which are relatively slow paced!!!.Yes... he has time in his hand and hope he rectifies that.  

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