sandeep Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Tendulkar scored 88 or higher in his very first tour to Eng, NZ, WI, S.A.,SL. His first tour. For Virat, all that any English bowler had to do, to get him out before 10, was to pitch the ball outside off stump. Gollum 1 Link to comment
narenpande1 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) Someone with a "patchy" technique like a Sehwag - who has always been a lower middle order - becomes a pioneer of Test match opening batting, setting up most of our wins for a decade - scoring BIG tons everywhere - be it Aus, Eng, RSA when we barely had any openers in the country. Whereas that legend Sachin with the divine technique - who was very particular and fidgety about opening in ODIS where the white ball swings far less than the red ball and field restrictions are on in the first 15 overs - never offered to open the batting in tests against the red ball - for his masterful divine technique. Incidentally, Englands last world class pace bowler- James Anderson and one of their greats - repeatedly OWNED him. Lost count of the number of times Sachin's divine technique was found wanting against Anderson's swing bowling. Edited September 4, 2017 by narenpande1 velu 1 Link to comment
surajmal Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 Cricket is the only sport where some fans have this ridiculous notion in their head that talent has gotten worse over time. Every other sport, average talent has only gone up. Which makes sense since nutrition, training, scouting etc have only improved. But no, cricketers of the bygone era were superman clones. narenpande1 and velu 2 Link to comment
surajmal Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think Kohli will do it. Aussies will be without Starc and Hazelwood, leaving a pretty toothless attack. And NZ and Sri Lankas are NZ and Sri Lankas. Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 12 hours ago, narenpande1 said: Someone with a "patchy" technique like a Sehwag - who has always been a lower middle order - becomes a pioneer of Test match opening batting, setting up most of our wins for a decade - scoring BIG tons everywhere - be it Aus, Eng, RSA when we barely had any openers in the country. Whereas that legend Sachin with the divine technique - who was very particular and fidgety about opening in ODIS where the white ball swings far less than the red ball and field restrictions are on in the first 15 overs - never offered to open the batting in tests against the red ball - for his masterful divine technique. Incidentally, Englands last world class pace bowler- James Anderson and one of their greats - repeatedly OWNED him. Lost count of the number of times Sachin's divine technique was found wanting against Anderson's swing bowling. For the millionth time Sachin post 2002 wasn't the same player as peak Sachin. He had another short resurgence in the 2008-10 period but the SRT of the 90s was divine. We all saw what happened to Sehwag post 2011. Sachin after 13 years of international cricket(peak Sachin in the 90s) was still a legit top 10 batsman(at some points top 3 or even the best) for another 10 years. Sehwag after 11 years of international cricket got a diamond duck pair against Anderson. It is embarrassing to compare the likes of Kohli, Viru with SRT even though both of them are Indian ATGs. Link to comment
velu Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 22 minutes ago, Gollum said: For the millionth time Sachin post 2002 wasn't the same player as peak Sachin. He had another short resurgence in the 2008-10 period but the SRT of the 90s was divine. We all saw what happened to Sehwag post 2011. Sachin after 13 years of international cricket(peak Sachin in the 90s) was still a legit top 10 batsman(at some points top 3 or even the best) for another 10 years. Sehwag after 11 years of international cricket got a diamond duck pair against Anderson. It is embarrassing to compare the likes of Kohli, Viru with SRT even though both of them are Indian ATGs. this LOGIC applies to other greats as well like lara , ponting etc etc their peak was also divine , and maybe better than sachin as well .. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, velu said: this LOGIC applies to other greats as well like lara , ponting etc etc their peak was also divine , and maybe better than sachin as well .. but they had a very short peak. Ponting had a peak between 2003 to 2006. Before and after he was just a good batsman. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I don't need to argue here. But people who keep on harping about Kohli being better, I can bet havent seen Tendulkar of 90's ( not in their lifetime atleast ). The 90's team was a total waste and more often than not, it was left to Tendulkar to carry the team. These are things which stats cant tell you. Real time pressure is something you wont feel while watching a match highlight of 20 yrs ago on youtube. So the one thing which Pakistani keep talking about Tenduklar is as baseless as it could be. No matter how weak the Indian team of today can be, it can never be worse than 90's team. We were sort of minnows then. Hence, you really cant compare the batting of the 2, Tendulkar, under those circumstances used to dictate terms! Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think many posters on ICF are closet Pakistanis. No way will a true Indian fan downplay SRT like this, making logical fallacies and undermining him. This is a typical Pak trait because of jealousy. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
kira Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 18 hours ago, narenpande1 said: ^ Koi Nai. You have always been a chicken when confronted with facts. Tendulkar vs Mcgrath 2 WC encounters: 1999 knock-out - Out for single digits ( Mcgrath ) 2003 finals - Out for single digits ( Mcgrath ) ^ I thought big players raise their games in clutch matches. Has it not been the case with most sporting legends ? Who was the bigger player here ? Tendulkar in ODIS vs Aus when Mcgrath is playing. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;player_involve=2101;template=results;type=batting - Avg drops to 36. Tendulkar's fanboys can keep getting countless orgasms about his Sharjah patta exploits against Tom Moody, Fleming, Steve Waugh etc...but the fact is when it mattered vs. Australia - Mcgrath was his BOSS. Did you fall asleep during the 1996 world cup? Also in what world is an average of 36 at a strike rate of 91 bad? Do you even know the averages of the players in the 1990s? Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, velu said: this LOGIC applies to other greats as well like lara , ponting etc etc their peak was also divine , and maybe better than sachin as well .. Lara too was a true legend, in tests he was SRT level. Ponting went missing in the 90s just like Kallis and Dravid. 90s was perhaps the toughest batting era along with late 70s and complete 80s just like 2010s is the easiest batting era like the 50s. Moreover Ponting had a 6 year peak(2002-2007), Dravid a 5 year peak(2002-2006) and Kallis a 7 year peak(2005-2011). SRT had a peak of close to 14 years if you include the 2008-10 period also. Having a 10+ years peak in a tough era is something very few players have managed in cricketing history. Tendu's average was 55 odd in the 90s and along with Lara and Steve Waugh he was the the only player to have average above 50 in that decade. Technically Gooch(very under rated) also had a 50+ average in that decade but he played only 3-4 years while these 3 played all 10 years. I admire all of these guys for being above their peers, especially Lara. Although SRT had the highest average and consistency in that decade, Lara was no less. Lara played not 1 or 2 but 3-4 innings that are hall of fame stuff. A genuine matchwinner who could change the course alone, in that area he was above even SRT. To Kohli bhakts Sachin had a 10 year peak in the super tough 90s era. Hope we get to see a 10 month peak from FTB King Kohli in the easiest era for batting. Atm your boy is not even Pujara level, forget Steve Smith, the undisputed alpha of his generation. We saw how pathetically your boy was exposed and overshadowed earlier this year by his master Steve Smith. Media may hype him up, you tards may big him up and give him more credit than he deserves but fact of the matter is your boy is a 2 time choker in the grand stage(as opposed to Smiths heroics in QF/SF/F of a WC) and averages 11 runs less than Smith in the ultimate format. Laaloo, velu and Jimmy Cliff 3 Link to comment
velu Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, Gollum said: Lara too was a true legend, in tests he was SRT level. Ponting went missing in the 90s just like Kallis and Dravid. 90s was perhaps the toughest batting era along with late 70s and complete 80s just like 2010s is the easiest batting era like the 50s. Moreover Ponting had a 6 year peak(2002-2007), Dravid a 5 year peak(2002-2006) and Kallis a 7 year peak(2005-2011). SRT had a peak of close to 14 years if you include the 2008-10 period also. Having a 10+ years peak in a tough era is something very few players have managed in cricketing history. Tendu's average was 55 odd in the 90s and along with Lara and Steve Waugh he was the the only player to have average above 50 in that decade. Technically Gooch(very under rated) also had a 50+ average in that decade but he played only 3-4 years while these 3 played all 10 years. I admire all of these guys for being above their peers, especially Lara. Although SRT had the highest average and consistency in that decade, Lara was no less. Lara played not 1 or 2 but 3-4 innings that are hall of fame stuff. A genuine matchwinner who could change the course alone, in that area he was above even SRT. To Kohli bhakts Sachin had a 10 year peak in the super tough 90s era. Hope we get to see a 10 month peak from FTB King Kohli in the easiest era for batting. Atm your boy is not even Pujara level, forget Steve Smith, the undisputed alpha of his generation. We saw how pathetically your boy was exposed and overshadowed earlier this year by his master Steve Smith. Media may hype him up, you tards may big him up and give him more credit than he deserves but fact of the matter is your boy is a 2 time choker in the grand stage(as opposed to Smiths heroics in QF/SF/F of a WC) and averages 11 runs less than Smith in the ultimate format. dude.. you are taking ICF way too seriosuly Link to comment
surajmal Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Sachin Bhakts are just jelly. They know how hard it is going to be to preach/sustain Sachinism 100 years from now and how easy it will be for a Kohli missionary to come and steal away their flock. Lord Kohli is just a better story - Personal Loss, Sacrifice, Confidence, Leadership, Love, Spirit... Everything a potential bhakt is seeking in their lord and saviour - A new Krishna. While Sachin - A child prodigy who delivered... Such a boring story. No thanks Edited September 5, 2017 by surajmal Link to comment
narenpande1 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, kira said: Did you fall asleep during the 1996 world cup? Also in what world is an average of 36 at a strike rate of 91 bad? Do you even know the averages of the players in the 1990s? A lot better than you ever will. An avg of 36 is not terrible except the fact that the huge drop in avg of 36 is goes down to sub 20 in Aus whenever McGrath plays. Yuvraj WON Us 2 WCs. 2007 T20 and 20111 WC. He was man of the series in both. What's your point ? Link to comment
putrevus Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 What super tough bowlers did Sachin dominate in 1998, 1998 was built on scoring on Asian pitches.Name one great bowling attack in Sachin faced in 1998.People made his knock against Zimbabwe against some no name bowler as a revenge match or something which was quite hilarious. Kohli needs to win India a world cup being a main batsman to surpass Tendulkar in odis though. Kohli did everything in his power in T20 world cups but Dhoni and his team mates failed him . Link to comment
narenpande1 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Gollum said: Lara too was a true legend, in tests he was SRT level. Ponting went missing in the 90s just like Kallis and Dravid. 90s was perhaps the toughest batting era along with late 70s and complete 80s just like 2010s is the easiest batting era like the 50s. Moreover Ponting had a 6 year peak(2002-2007), Dravid a 5 year peak(2002-2006) and Kallis a 7 year peak(2005-2011). SRT had a peak of close to 14 years if you include the 2008-10 period also. Having a 10+ years peak in a tough era is something very few players have managed in cricketing history. Tendu's average was 55 odd in the 90s and along with Lara and Steve Waugh he was the the only player to have average above 50 in that decade. Technically Gooch(very under rated) also had a 50+ average in that decade but he played only 3-4 years while these 3 played all 10 years. I admire all of these guys for being above their peers, especially Lara. Although SRT had the highest average and consistency in that decade, Lara was no less. Lara played not 1 or 2 but 3-4 innings that are hall of fame stuff. A genuine matchwinner who could change the course alone, in that area he was above even SRT. To Kohli bhakts Sachin had a 10 year peak in the super tough 90s era. Hope we get to see a 10 month peak from FTB King Kohli in the easiest era for batting. Atm your boy is not even Pujara level, forget Steve Smith, the undisputed alpha of his generation. We saw how pathetically your boy was exposed and overshadowed earlier this year by his master Steve Smith. Media may hype him up, you tards may big him up and give him more credit than he deserves but fact of the matter is your boy is a 2 time choker in the grand stage(as opposed to Smiths heroics in QF/SF/F of a WC) and averages 11 runs less than Smith in the ultimate format. LOL..nothing beats SRT's ravenous beastly exploits as opener on subcontinental flat tracks against minnows. Opportunist FTB par excellence. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=12;opposition=15;opposition=25;opposition=26;opposition=27;opposition=28;opposition=29;opposition=9;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting Nearly a quarter of his tons are against RANK minnows on flat tracks in Asia. Edited September 6, 2017 by narenpande1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 There are a few things that go against Kohli. His record in England is very modest. Averages 32 there. Needs to improve in SA too though only has played 8 games. Has improved his record to some extent in against Aus with two hundreds on last tour. Link to comment
putrevus Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: There are a few things that go against Kohli. His record in England is very modest. Averages 32 there. Needs to improve in SA too though only has played 8 games. Has improved his record to some extent in against Aus with two hundreds on last tour. How much was Sachin averaging in Australia against Australia. It took how many trips for him to score an Odi hundred against Australia in Australia ? Kohli is not even half way past the total number of matches Sachin played and yet he has scored 30 hundreds. This beast which Sachin's fans make him to be prior to 2000s was never greater match winner than Kohli. Kohli is a different beast likes of which we have not seen , he is top order batsman who also fills the role of finisher especially while chasing. Yes he has flaws and has to deliver in crunch . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited September 6, 2017 by putrevus Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, putrevus said: How much was Sachin averaging in Australia against Australia. It took how many trips for him to score an Odi hundred against Australia in Australia ? Kohli is not even half way past the total number of matches Sachin played and yet he has scored 30 hundreds. This beast which Sachin's fans make him to be prior to 2000s was never greater match winner than Kohli. Kohli is a different beast likes of which we have not seen , he is top order batsman who is also fills the role of finisher especially while chasing. Yes he has flaws and has to deliver in crunch . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Eh? Sachin scored 2 centuries against Aust in Aust at the age of 18. The innings that he played in Perth as a teenager against attack of that quality in that pitch is better than any test innings Kohli ever played. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: How much was Sachin averaging in Australia against Australia. It took how many trips for him to score an Odi hundred against Australia in Australia ? Kohli is not even half way past the total number of matches Sachin played and yet he has scored 30 hundreds. This beast which Sachin's fans make him to be prior to 2000s was never greater match winner than Kohli. Kohli is a different beast likes of which we have not seen , he is top order batsman who is also fills the role of finisher especially while chasing. Yes he has flaws and has to deliver in crunch . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yes that is a point too I forgot. Link to comment
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