sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 KL Rahul / Rohit Sharma Shreyas Iyer / Sanju Samson Virat Kohli Suresh Raina Hardik Pandya Rishabh Pant Kedar Jadhav / Vijay Shankar Krunal Pandya - or some other big hitting Spinner - don't think Deepak Hooda is that good a bowler. Maybe Axar Patel? Chahal / Kuldeep Bhuvanesh Kumar Jasprit Bumrah Batting till #8, plenty of bowling options. This is what I want to see in India's national T20 lineup. If not today, well ahead of the next T20 World Cup. Vilander and rahulrulezz 2 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Rahul Pant Kohli Iyer Jadhav Hardik Pandya Kuldeep Bhuvi Bumrah Dont know about 2 other spots. Maybe another pacer and a spinner in the mold of Krunal. Link to comment
rahulrulezz Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: KL Rahul / Rohit Sharma Shreyas Iyer / Sanju Samson Virat Kohli Suresh Raina Hardik Pandya Rishabh Pant Kedar Jadhav / Vijay Shankar Krunal Pandya - or some other big hitting Spinner - don't think Deepak Hooda is that good a bowler. Maybe Axar Patel? Chahal / Kuldeep Bhuvanesh Kumar Jasprit Bumrah Batting till #8, plenty of bowling options. This is what I want to see in India's national T20 lineup. If not today, well ahead of the next T20 World Cup. This is probably the best Indian T20s team ever!! Not even one argument. Small changes would be Kuldeep over Chahal. And no Sanju Samson, I rather have Manoj Tiwary over him Link to comment
Texan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1. Rohit Sharma 2. Rishabh Pant 3. Virat Kohli 4. KL Rahul 5. Suresh Raina / Kedar Jadhav 6. Yusuf Pathan 7. Krunal Pandya 8. Hardik Pandya 9. Bhuvneshwar Kumar 10. Yuzvendra Chahal / Kuldeep Yadav 11. Jasprit Bumrah Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said: This is probably the best Indian T20s team ever!! Not even one argument. Small changes would be Kuldeep over Chahal. And no Sanju Samson, I rather have Manoj Tiwary over him Manoj Tiwary ne kiya kiya hai? Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said: This is probably the best Indian T20s team ever!! Not even one argument. Small changes would be Kuldeep over Chahal. And no Sanju Samson, I rather have Manoj Tiwary over him Tiwary is done. And he's no top-order bat, more of a #4/5 - a poor man's Manish Pandey if you will, who IMO is not good enough for India's T20 starting XI. I have high hopes for Shreyas Iyer and Sanju Samson - for me, their batting technique has that undefinable 'quality', one that just jumps out and marks out a batsman of high ability. Rohit Sharma flashed that at the same age, and I was a big believer in him - for all formats of the game until 2014. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
philcric Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 KL Rahul + R Pant * V Kohli S Raina R Sharma H Pandya K Pandya K Yadav B Kumar Y Chahal J Bumrah A little light on pace bowling but apart from Bumrah and Bhuvi, there's no 3rd seamer who's been good consistently and demands a spot. H Pandya is the 3rd seamer. Spin bowling very good with a lot of variety. Chinaman, leg spin and left arm orthodox. And a part time off spinner in Raina. Batting is both reliable in Kohli, Raina, Rohit and explosive in Rahul, Pant and Pandya brothers. Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, philcric said: KL Rahul + R Pant * V Kohli S Raina R Sharma H Pandya K Pandya K Yadav B Kumar Y Chahal J Bumrah A little light on pace bowling but apart from Bumrah and Bhuvi, there's no 3rd seamer who's been good consistently and demands a spot. H Pandya is the 3rd seamer. Spin bowling very good with a lot of variety. Chinaman, leg spin and left arm orthodox. And a part time off spinner in Raina. Batting is both reliable in Kohli, Raina, Rohit and explosive in Rahul, Pant and Pandya brothers. Essentially your team has 2 wrist spinners instead of one, and one less batsman. I would argue that you need to add as many 'lottery tickets' to the middle order as possible - i.e. batsmen who can go off at 150+ SR on their day, and you don't need more than 3 specialist bowlers, as long as you have 4 reasonable bowling options to cover the additional 8 overs. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Raina Tiwary Pathan atrocious Link to comment
philcric Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, sandeep said: Essentially your team has 2 wrist spinners instead of one, and one less batsman. I would argue that you need to add as many 'lottery tickets' to the middle order as possible - i.e. batsmen who can go off at 150+ SR on their day, and you don't need more than 3 specialist bowlers, as long as you have 4 reasonable bowling options to cover the additional 8 overs. I prefer 4 frontline wicket taking bowlers. Bumrah, Bhuvi, Kuldeep and Chahal. I don't feel the need for a batting option at #8 because at least 3 in the top 7 are consistent long innings players. There would hardly be kind of collapses which would need batting contribution from #8. Yes K Pandya could be replaced by a specialist batter, but there's hardly any stand out lower order batsman with high SR. Krunal has high SR (Av 32, SR 150+), played some important innings and finished games for MI. His bowling is pretty good too. Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1) Rahul 2) Kohli 3) Iyer 4) Pant 5) Raina 6) Krunal 7) Hardik 8) Axar 9) Bhuvi 10) Kuldeep 11) Bumrah -- Pant is not acclimatized to international quick bowling yet. I will start him off at No.4 and open with him after 20 games or so, if he looks ok against pace. Kohli can bat at No.3 then and Iyer at 4. -- I will send Hardik in to bat the moment a wicket falls after the 13th over, irrespective of the batting position. -- There are 7 bowling options in this 11. Enough cover for bowlers having bad days. Mosher and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, philcric said: I don't feel the need for a batting option at #8 because at least 3 in the top 7 are consistent long innings players. There would hardly be kind of collapses which would need batting contribution from #8. Banjo bhaad mein jaaye "long innings". Its a T20. You have 120 balls to score the most you can. I don't want more than one Virat who is capable of "long innings" but at 125 SR. I place way more value on 25(14) in a T20, then a 51(45). Obviously the former carries its share of risks, hence the need for additional depth. We lost to the West Indies in the last T20 world cup at home because of lack of firepower. We lost to SL in the T20 final because Rocket Yuvi tragically fizzled into a wet sursurya. We lost in the 2009 T20 World cup, because Dhoni stupidly sent Ravindra Jadeja ahead of Yuvi and Yusuf. When will we learn. Defensive and conservative batting strategy and playing not to lose, will bite you in the ass. T20 is not ODI cricket. Its a different beast. Link to comment
philcric Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, sandeep said: Banjo bhaad mein jaaye "long innings". Its a T20. You have 120 balls to score the most you can. I don't want more than one Virat who is capable of "long innings" but at 125 SR. I place way more value on 25(14) in a T20, then a 51(45). Obviously the former carries its share of risks, hence the need for additional depth. We lost to the West Indies in the last T20 world cup at home because of lack of firepower. We lost to SL in the T20 final because Rocket Yuvi tragically fizzled into a wet sursurya. We lost in the 2009 T20 World cup, because Dhoni stupidly sent Ravindra Jadeja ahead of Yuvi and Yusuf. When will we learn. Defensive and conservative batting strategy and playing not to lose, will bite you in the ass. T20 is not ODI cricket. Its a different beast. You got me wrong. I said 'long innings' not 'slow innings'. For ex. Gayle, with around 150 SR, is also a long innings batter. So are Finch, Raina, Virat etc. These guys are consistent and score big runs with good SR. When you have 3 such batters in the team, #8 doesn't even get a chance to bat. Having a good 4th/5th bowler is much more important than having a 8th batting option. Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, philcric said: You got me wrong. I said 'long innings' not 'slow innings'. For ex. Gayle, with around 150 SR, is also a long innings batter. So are Finch, Raina, Virat etc. These guys are consistent and score big runs with good SR. When you have 3 such batters in the team, #8 doesn't even get a chance to bat. Having a good 4th/5th bowler is much more important than having a 8th batting option. Fair enough. But you don't think Hardik Pandya, Axar Patel, Krunal Pandya can be considered good 4th/5th bowlers? You don't think that having a capable batsman at #8 empowers the guys in the top 5 to bat fearlessly and maximize their run-scoring producitivity? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 For future 1. Kohli 2. Kishen/Samson/Rohit (why an option against rohit coz of his lack of perfomances in last few t20WC, only way he can stay is make him captain) 3. Pant/pandey/iyer/Shankar (ideally pant for me but i wud like to try few other players as well, at 3 i wud like to try 2 types of players a dasher or an anchor type) 4. KL Rahul/Pant 5. Hooda/Sarfraz/Nitish Rana/Raina 6. Krunal 7. Hardik 8. Chahal 9. Kuldeep 10. Bumrah 11. Bhuvi Mosher 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Rahul Pant Kohli Iyer Sarfaraz Hardik Krunal/Axar Kuldeep Chahal BK Bumrah express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 hours ago, sandeep said: Batting till #8, plenty of bowling options. This is what I want to see in India's national T20 lineup. If not today, well ahead of the next T20 World Cup. Why do u need 8 batsman in 20 overs, rather have bowlers like kuldeep n chahal both . I think more bowling options are better in t20 specially when hardik is one dimensional .... Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, express bowling said: 1) Rahul 2) Kohli 3) Iyer 4) Pant 5) Raina 6) Krunal 7) Hardik 8) Axar 9) Bhuvi 10) Kuldeep 11) Bumrah -- Pant is not acclimatized to international quick bowling yet. I will start him off at No.4 and open with him after 20 games or so, if he looks ok against pace. Kohli can bat at No.3 then and Iyer at 4. -- I will send Hardik in to bat the moment a wicket falls after the 13th over, irrespective of the batting position. -- There are 7 bowling options in this 11. Enough cover for bowlers having bad days. So 2 pacers, one wrist spinner, one pace bowling allrounder, one spin-bowling allrounder and a couple of part-time spin options. Why with all these players available for selection, is the Indian team going with the likes of Pandey, Dhawan etc. Link to comment
philcric Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, sandeep said: Fair enough. But you don't think Hardik Pandya, Axar Patel, Krunal Pandya can be considered good 4th/5th bowlers? You don't think that having a capable batsman at #8 empowers the guys in the top 5 to bat fearlessly and maximize their run-scoring producitivity? For me, bowling is as important as batting. IMO our 4 best T20 bowlers are Bumrah, Bhuvi, Kuldeep and Chahal. I would like to have all of them in my XI. If there is any other bowler who is as good and can bat well, I'd pick him, but I don't think we have any. Gun to my head to absolutely have a batting option at #8, I'd replace Chahal with Axar. Grudgingly. sandeep 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Sarfaraz is immensely talented. If he sorts out his attitude and fitness, I feel he can be a very good finisher for us. Link to comment
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