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Get Washington Sundar into Indian LOI team already

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

This is reason our combination in ODIs is going haywire because we are playing Hardik Pandya who is neither a batsman nor a bowler. I too supported Pandya's inclusion initially but then I realized that he is a huge misfit because either he bats in top 6 or should be good enough to play as 3rd seamer and as a 3rd seamer does not at all give confidence.

We all knew wen we supported pandya that he is not a finished product and he lacks domestic exp as well

As of now he is more of a bits and pieces kind of player, but he is our best option as well . Whatever we have to go with him. 

Both aspects of his game will get better with time 

The solution to this is get a 6th bowler- batting all rounder and we have an option like krunal. He gives us the option of 2nd spinner which will allow us to play someone like Shami as well.  A 6th bowler can cover his bowling

 

Similarly if kuldeep, bhuvi n the lower order keeps improving their batting with it will give some cover to his batting as well 

 

For few yrs expectation from Hardik shud be lowered , he is the best option we have got as of now and better then many in recent times we have tried

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

This is reason our combination in ODIs is going haywire because we are playing Hardik Pandya who is neither a batsman nor a bowler. I too supported Pandya's inclusion initially but then I realized that he is a huge misfit because either he bats in top 6 or should be good enough to play as 3rd seamer and as a 3rd seamer does not at all give confidence. We are making someone like Shami sit out as Pandya is playing. What we need more is a bowling alrounder, someone who is predominantly a bowler but can bat at 7, 

 No.7 slot in ODIs and T20s requires a player who can start hitting from ball one,  is a high SR batter and can hit big shots.

 

Keeping that requirement in mind, Hardik is a batman in ODIs and T20s if he bats at 7 or 6.  A classical batsman or a bowler who can bat a bit, won't do for this slot.

 

I think Hardik is an ideal No.7  in LOIs.

 

Our problem is we don't have any proper spinner-all-rounder in the top 6.... like a Krunal. If we had, then we could have easily played Shami.

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7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he is not wrong. Cricket has two specialties, batting or bowling. Either you are a batsman or bowler. If you are a bowler first, your other aspect that is batting is a bonus, but you need to make the team as a bowler first and if you are a batsman, your bowling is just an added advantage, you first need to make the team as a batsman. This is reason our combination in ODIs is going haywire because we are playing Hardik Pandya who is neither a batsman nor a bowler. I too supported Pandya's inclusion initially but then I realized that he is a huge misfit because either he bats in top 6 or should be good enough to play as 3rd seamer and as a 3rd seamer does not at all give confidence. We are making someone like Shami sit out as Pandya is playing. What we need more is a bowling alrounder, someone who is predominantly a bowler but can bat at 7, a bit better than likes of Jaddu and Axar when it comes to hitting, whether he is a spinner or a fast bowler. and If we want to play Pandya, he should be batting in top 6.

The world now needs specialists. At an amature level or club level you could have a guy who could bowl and bat. At the top level you can only perform one task. Nothing else. there are just so many hours in a day and body needs time to heal. You cannot do both. Just cannot at that level. 

I fully agree with the curious case of pandya. We now have a guy who can neither be a frontline boowler or a top bat. A hybrid at that level does not work.

With atleast Shami playing in front of Pandya at least we can get a wicket or two which is huge.Pandya will be beaten like a drum.

once again I have more faith in tooth fairy or santa than allrounders. They do not exist at that level.

 

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We all knew wen we supported pandya that he is not a finished product and he lacks domestic exp as well

As of now he is more of a bits and pieces kind of player, but he is our best option as well . Whatever we have to go with him. 

Both aspects of his game will get better with time 

The solution to this is get a 6th bowler- batting all rounder and we have an option like krunal. He gives us the option of 2nd spinner which will allow us to play someone like Shami as well.  A 6th bowler can cover his bowling

 

Similarly if kuldeep, bhuvi n the lower order keeps improving their batting with it will give some cover to his batting as well 

 

For few yrs expectation from Hardik shud be lowered , he is the best option we have got as of now and better then many in recent times we have tried

The time and effort spend by Bhuvi and Kuldeep to improve their batting to acceptable level will be too much. Let them be exceptional bowlers.

Let us not turn them in the case of Pathan who at the end could do nothing. 

Once again to win at that level you need to top in batting and bowling. Now both should have enough skills in batting to stick around.

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VIRAT told in press conference about importance of All rounder in ODI Indian team, I think he hints on Axar who need to improves his batting and most importantly Fielding.i think KY okayed in batting,

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97127/virat-kohli-india-cricket-captain-talks-up-role-of-all-rounders-in-odi-game

kohli

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/97104/rohit-sharma-india-cricketer-extols-virtues-of-squad-depth-and-role-flexibility

Rohit sir,India 'S Future ODI captain 

 

 

 

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On 9/12/2017 at 12:28 PM, SecondSlip said:

Krunal Pandya should be given chances before Sundar if we are looking for a batting allrounder that bowls spin 

KP no according to VK but Himanshu's other son HP : must in Indian team for Limited Format but eventually he will miss test selection 

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13 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Sundar - 2/40 and then 156* as opener for Tamilnadu in Ranji.

This guy is improving by the day.

get this guy into national team....huge huge potential...

I understand that 156 is against a weak bowling line-up....but nevertheless, it proves that he can be a genuine allrounder....

he might not be ready for intl assignment yet but let him learn his trade in the intl arena....

 

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7 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

Let him first play a full season of Ranji cricket .Maybe a couple of seasons and learn the trade of opener.

 

No need to rush him when we already have Dhawan and Vijay.

Is he a genuine opener or a make shift one?

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1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:
1 hour ago, renjith said:
Is he a genuine opener or a make shift one?

He is an opener.Opened in junior cricket and also TNPL.Was reserve opener last season for TN Ranji team.

thnx. Even if not as an opener in tests, he can be good for the senior team in odis and t20s.

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The purpose of me opening the thread was because I was impressed with Sundar the bowler. Have not seen his batting much so will reserve my judgement. But he looks like a good bowler and can be tried in LOIs.

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1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

The purpose of me opening the thread was because I was impressed with Sundar the bowler. Have not seen his batting much so will reserve my judgement. But he looks like a good bowler and can be tried in LOIs.

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He could potentially become a genuine all rounder like Shakib who is good in both bowling and batting. Or as he gets experience may become better in one skill over other, as he still has age by his side.

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On 10/16/2017 at 12:41 PM, Forever Indian said:

He could potentially become a genuine all rounder like Shakib who is good in both bowling and batting. Or as he gets experience may become better in one skill over other, as he still has age by his side.

although sakib is good in both disciplines, he is a chicken. I hope sundar won't end up that way.

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