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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

It doesn't matter that Pant has had a few failures, and Dhoni has eked out a few runs - the time has come to audition his long-term replacement.   Are you claiming that Dhoni should be picked as keeper even for T20s?

No such time has come, since Dhoni is performing magnificiently both with the gloves and bat.

 

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10 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

1. Dhoni was a way better keeper than Pant in the most recent edition of IPL. Ie, he IS better than Pant.

 

2. Why Dravid and Sachin ? I have no problem with Gavaskar back in the team. Unlike you, i don't toss performing players away because of their age. Let Dravid and Sachin average 90+ with 80+ strike rate in LOIs and they too can, of course, come back.

 

Face it, you have no cricketing reason to ask for Dhoni over Pant. Even Gillchrist waited till his late 20s because he was behind a world class keeper, so Pant kiss kheth ki muli haye !

 

 

repeat something million times and then it becomes the truth.

Go look at head to head stats and Dhoni is the worst wicketkeeper.

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Just now, Khota said:

repeat something million times and then it becomes the truth.

Go look at head to head stats and Dhoni is the worst wicketkeeper.

Stats show who is the better keeper ?

:phehe::phehe::facepalm:

 


India's ignorant fan problem summed up in one sentence.

Dhoni is a WAY WAY better keeper than wannabe Pant. Who has done nothing, except be young. lol. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

you have no cricketing reason to ask for Dhoni over Pant.

Aakhir sach baat phisal kar nikal gayi:laugh:

 

Dhoni's batting has regressed to the point where he can no longer bat at #6 or 7, arguably even at #5.  The only way we afford Dhoni's tuk-tuk is if he plays in the middle overs if the top 3 get out cheaply.   And even in the middle overs, his extremely slow starts - along the lines of 13(29), are too expensive in terms of deliveries consumed.   Deliveries are a finite resource in white ball cricket, and even in ODIs, with the par score needle moving north of 350, you can't expect to play a #4/5 bat who is this slow, and win tournaments.  The problem is exacerbated by the fact that our top order is among the worst in the world in terms of run productivity in the 1st 10 overs.   If we had David Warner opening the batting, maybe we could afford Dhoni in the middle order.  But we have Rohit Sharma instead.  He's already sucking up the team's quota of allowable dot balls in an ODI innings.  

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

1. Dhoni was a way better keeper than Pant in the most recent edition of IPL. Ie, he IS better than Pant.

 

 

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

No such time has come, since Dhoni is performing magnificiently both with the gloves and bat.

 

 

The analysis is not that one dimensional.

 

Dhoni is a magnificent keeper against spin but generally does not go for diving catches or stops these days against pace. ( I can think of just 1 such catch in the recent past )

 

Pant's keeping against pace has been quite good in the last 6 months and his keeping against spin has improved too.

 

 

http://www.iplt20.com/video/93758/catch-it-like-pant-keeper-on-the-prowl

 

Dhoni has been superb with the bat when his team has been in trouble in the last 9 months or so. But, he has not been able to score at a high SR for the first 30 to 50 balls he faces.... and that creates issues while chasing really big totals, especially if he bats at No.5.

 

Most importantly, backups must be groomed to cover for injuries or loss of form .... and that applies to every player.

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MS Dhoni will play 2019 World Cup, says Ravi Shastri

 

NEW DELHI: India head coach Ravi Shastri has dismissed doubts aboutMahendra Singh Dhoni's international future, saying that the team management cannot even think of removing the Ranchi stalwart considering his current form and fitness.


Dhoni was in top form in Sri Lanka, having scored 162 runs with a strike-rate of 82.23. The former India skipper, who played his 300th One-Day International (ODI) in Sri Lanka, also grabbed eye balls with his quick reflexes behind the wicket, becoming the first wicket-keeper in ODI history to effect 100 stumpings.

Shastri asserted that Dhoni has both fitness and current form on his side and that the team will need him in the next ODI World Cup in 2019.

Shastri compared Dhoni with the likes of Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar andKapil Dev and said his achievements need to be respected.

"Where else will you find a legend like M.S. Dhoni? Dhoni is in the same league as Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar or Kapil Dev. We have to respect his achievements," Shastri told India TV on Wednesday.

Shastri, who took over as India coach in July this year after Anil Kumble resigned from the post citing differences with captain Kohli, lauded Dhoni's performance in Sri Lanka and said that there's still a lot to come from him.

The 55-year-old Shastri added that Dhoni remains the best wicket-keeper in India in ODIs.

"A player is evaluated on the basis of his current form and fitness and Dhoni has both. If you see his wicket-keeping, he is the best in ODI cricket. His fitness is superb, he batted well in Sri Lanka. And let me tell you, it was just a tralier what you saw in Sri Lanka now wait for the movie," he said.

Shastri said if Dhoni can continue to perform like this then there's no question of not having him in the 2019 World Cup.

"If he continues to play like this, there no question of not having him in the team for the 2019 world cup. You can't even think of a team without Dhoni," he said.

 

 

On inclusion of Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina, Shastri said: "Doors are not closed. They will be inducted only after they are declared fit.". :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: 

 

 

The team head coach said: "I have a problem. The amount of cricket that we are playing, we need at least 20 to 25 players. It is very difficult for a single player to play all forms of cricket. Players need rest."

Shastri said, he has talked to BCCI officials seeking rest for the players after the series with Australia. "It is better that T20 is organised later, since there is hardly any time left between the Sri Lanka series and the South Africa tour."

The head coach said, the first two matches against Australia were vital. "We have to win the first two matches. These will decide the fate of the series. Australia will get a tough challenge. Our bowling attack is strong."

At one point of time during the interview, Shastri remarked: "Maybe I will never live to see our team win all matches in Australia or in England, as we did in Sri Lanka."

Shastri had words of praise for skipper Virat Kohli. "An aggressive Virat is good for the team. Virat does not like people who do not speak straight."

"Virat is now fully mature. In cricket, you need to understand your rival team properly, Virat has learnt much and is going to learn more in the next 3-4 years."

Shastri made it clear that he had no say in team selection. "I never interfere in selection. I will prepare the team that I get."

"In the recent Sri Lanka series, we created history, we have to make a new beginning against Australia. If the kangaroos speak loudly, they will get an effective response from us."

 

http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/australia-in-india/ms-dhoni-will-play-2019-world-cup-says-ravi-shastri/articleshow/60500334.cms

 

 

 

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MS Dhoni will play 2019 World Cup, says Ravi Shastri

 

NEW DELHI: India head coach Ravi Shastri has dismissed doubts aboutMahendra Singh Dhoni's international future, saying that the team management cannot even think of removing the Ranchi stalwart considering his current form and fitness.


Dhoni was in top form in Sri Lanka, having scored 162 runs with a strike-rate of 82.23. The former India skipper, who played his 300th One-Day International (ODI) in Sri Lanka, also grabbed eye balls with his quick reflexes behind the wicket, becoming the first wicket-keeper in ODI history to effect 100 stumpings.

Shastri asserted that Dhoni has both fitness and current form on his side and that the team will need him in the next ODI World Cup in 2019.

Shastri compared Dhoni with the likes of Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar andKapil Dev and said his achievements need to be respected.

"Where else will you find a legend like M.S. Dhoni? Dhoni is in the same league as Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar or Kapil Dev. We have to respect his achievements," Shastri told India TV on Wednesday.

Shastri, who took over as India coach in July this year after Anil Kumble resigned from the post citing differences with captain Kohli, lauded Dhoni's performance in Sri Lanka and said that there's still a lot to come from him.

The 55-year-old Shastri added that Dhoni remains the best wicket-keeper in India in ODIs.

"A player is evaluated on the basis of his current form and fitness and Dhoni has both. If you see his wicket-keeping, he is the best in ODI cricket. His fitness is superb, he batted well in Sri Lanka. And let me tell you, it was just a tralier what you saw in Sri Lanka now wait for the movie," he said.

Shastri said if Dhoni can continue to perform like this then there's no question of not having him in the 2019 World Cup.

"If he continues to play like this, there no question of not having him in the team for the 2019 world cup. You can't even think of a team without Dhoni," he said.

 

 

On inclusion of Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina, Shastri said: "Doors are not closed. They will be inducted only after they are declared fit.". :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: 

 

 

The team head coach said: "I have a problem. The amount of cricket that we are playing, we need at least 20 to 25 players. It is very difficult for a single player to play all forms of cricket. Players need rest."

Shastri said, he has talked to BCCI officials seeking rest for the players after the series with Australia. "It is better that T20 is organised later, since there is hardly any time left between the Sri Lanka series and the South Africa tour."

The head coach said, the first two matches against Australia were vital. "We have to win the first two matches. These will decide the fate of the series. Australia will get a tough challenge. Our bowling attack is strong."

At one point of time during the interview, Shastri remarked: "Maybe I will never live to see our team win all matches in Australia or in England, as we did in Sri Lanka."

Shastri had words of praise for skipper Virat Kohli. "An aggressive Virat is good for the team. Virat does not like people who do not speak straight."

"Virat is now fully mature. In cricket, you need to understand your rival team properly, Virat has learnt much and is going to learn more in the next 3-4 years."

Shastri made it clear that he had no say in team selection. "I never interfere in selection. I will prepare the team that I get."

"In the recent Sri Lanka series, we created history, we have to make a new beginning against Australia. If the kangaroos speak loudly, they will get an effective response from us."

 

http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/australia-in-india/ms-dhoni-will-play-2019-world-cup-says-ravi-shastri/articleshow/60500334.cms

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

then lets get Saha involved.

Pant has only thing going for him right now and that is age.

He is neither the top keeper in the country or a top end bat. He deserves to sit on the sidelines as long as better options exist.

 

Not a bad idea. Saha is a better wicket keeper than Dhoni and if Dhoni is going to bat like this, then give me Saha any day of the week.

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Stats show who is the better keeper ?

:phehe::phehe::facepalm:

 


India's ignorant fan problem summed up in one sentence.

Dhoni is a WAY WAY better keeper than wannabe Pant. Who has done nothing, except be young. lol. 

 

I score 4 runs in 2 balls and then I am out. Based on your $$cked up logic I should get a game. My SR is fntastic.

 

You are the most ignorant fan that I know of.

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39 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Sir jee, Plzz show us those stats

You can show those stats to prove how great MSD is but simple question what is the excuse that a 36 year old who will be 37 soon has no back up whatsoever? Now if someone has tried and failed sure I will buy the no alternative factor but how many backups have been tried since 2015 wc...also how many times have we played teams like Zim,Wi,SL since then...I will exclude Bangladesh as they are a good odi side these days so tell me why isn't there a back up.

 

The only guy who is irreplaceable in the team right now hands down is Kohli and god forbid even if he gets injured we have atleast 10 names that will sub for him...even though that will be a much bigger loss than any player in the team.

 

why are we harping on stats and pointless notouts when the problem is much bigger...now don't give the bs that Dhoni is not the selector etc...since 2015 WC, he was captain for the most  part....why wasn't an intitative taken to groom a successor atleast in dead rubbers or against weaker teams.

 

I take Dhoni's stats with a pinch of salt.....even Bhuvi got a 50 when his intention was to just save his wicket against some of the opposition.

Anyway I will not even get into Dhoni's performance as that's a debate for another day, but the entire argument that there is no alternative is totally flawed. 

 

simple- With Bhuvi grabbing every chance and Bumrah having a breakout year even a 25.00 average bowler like Shami can lose his spot with pandya getting in as an allrounder.

 

so lot of insecurity at play...maybe it's Dhoni,Maybe it's BCCI as Dhoni still generates a lot of ad revenue but something is definitely fishy.

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Sir jee, Plzz show us those stats

You want me to do your home work. This time I will do it but from now on you are on your own.

These are the batsman/wkt keepers who outscored your hero in IPL.

Patel

Utthapa

Samson

Pant 

Karthick

 

Now you can respond with excuses.

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50 minutes ago, maniac said:

You can show those stats to prove how great MSD is but simple question what is the excuse that a 36 year old who will be 37 soon has no back up whatsoever? Now if someone has tried and failed sure I will buy the no alternative factor but how many backups have been tried since 2015 wc...also how many times have we played teams like Zim,Wi,SL since then...I will exclude Bangladesh as they are a good odi side these days so tell me why isn't there a back up.

 

The only guy who is irreplaceable in the team right now hands down is Kohli and god forbid even if he gets injured we have atleast 10 names that will sub for him...even though that will be a much bigger loss than any player in the team.

 

why are we harping on stats and pointless notouts when the problem is much bigger...now don't give the bs that Dhoni is not the selector etc...since 2015 WC, he was captain for the most  part....why wasn't an intitative taken to groom a successor atleast in dead rubbers or against weaker teams.

 

I take Dhoni's stats with a pinch of salt.....even Bhuvi got a 50 when his intention was to just save his wicket against some of the opposition.

Anyway I will not even get into Dhoni's performance as that's a debate for another day, but the entire argument that there is no alternative is totally flawed. 

 

simple- With Bhuvi grabbing every chance and Bumrah having a breakout year even a 25.00 average bowler like Shami can lose his spot with pandya getting in as an allrounder.

 

so lot of insecurity at play...maybe it's Dhoni,Maybe it's BCCI as Dhoni still generates a lot of ad revenue but something is definitely fishy.

You are wasting time with these guys. Their minds are made up. Dhoni did absolutely nothing in CT. Nothing.

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

I score 4 runs in 2 balls and then I am out. Based on your $$cked up logic I should get a game. My SR is fntastic.

 

You are the most ignorant fan that I know of.

Hey kiddo, their averages are near-identical and Pant is a crappier keeper than Dhoni. I don't see any reason why he should be rushed. Make him wait till he is good enough, like Gilly. We have Saha ahead of him, for every format. Or atleast, should be 

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

You can show those stats to prove how great MSD is but simple question what is the excuse that a 36 year old who will be 37 soon has no back up whatsoever? Now if someone has tried and failed sure I will buy the no alternative factor but how many backups have been tried since 2015 wc...also how many times have we played teams like Zim,Wi,SL since then...I will exclude Bangladesh as they are a good odi side these days so tell me why isn't there a back up.

 

The only guy who is irreplaceable in the team right now hands down is Kohli and god forbid even if he gets injured we have atleast 10 names that will sub for him...even though that will be a much bigger loss than any player in the team.

 

why are we harping on stats and pointless notouts when the problem is much bigger...now don't give the bs that Dhoni is not the selector etc...since 2015 WC, he was captain for the most  part....why wasn't an intitative taken to groom a successor atleast in dead rubbers or against weaker teams.

 

I take Dhoni's stats with a pinch of salt.....even Bhuvi got a 50 when his intention was to just save his wicket against some of the opposition.

Anyway I will not even get into Dhoni's performance as that's a debate for another day, but the entire argument that there is no alternative is totally flawed. 

 

simple- With Bhuvi grabbing every chance and Bumrah having a breakout year even a 25.00 average bowler like Shami can lose his spot with pandya getting in as an allrounder.

 

so lot of insecurity at play...maybe it's Dhoni,Maybe it's BCCI as Dhoni still generates a lot of ad revenue but something is definitely fishy.

He does have backup...Saha.

Your entire rant is irrelevant to the Dhoni talk, since Dhoni is not being out-performed. Not even close. I don't care if he is 37 or 47, ageism is a mark of unprofessionalism that infests Indian sports.

 

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Good call. Squashing all this ageist unprofessional noise surrounding a player who is 'too old' in some people's minds. Despite the fact that he is amongst the fittest men in the team, an impeccable LOI keeper and is continuing to prove that 2016 was an aberration to his amazing play as a batsman.

 

this is the cricket equivalent of saying 'I don' t care how old he is, we are not going to trade away Dominic Hasek'

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2 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Don't worry. They have the excuses ready for the aus series. 

No, we don't care about one series. Excuses are a valid charge, when said guy is in a 15-20 match (LOI) swing of low performances.

Infact, we expect him to bomb during the Aus series. Law of averages mean a guy averaging 90+ and 80+ Strike rate will bomb soon enough.

I expect the ageist people here to use that as some sort of evidence of how Dhoni is 'failing' again.

 

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11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Hey kiddo, their averages are near-identical and Pant is a crappier keeper than Dhoni. I don't see any reason why he should be rushed. Make him wait till he is good enough, like Gilly. We have Saha ahead of him, for every format. Or atleast, should be 

 

Mind your language. 

First - Pant is better. Please dont quote averages in cricket as they mean nothing.

Pant along with 4 other keepers outscored dhoni. If you outscore someone you are considered better.

Pant is young and his reflexes are better.

Dhoni is better connected. He will not be my 5 th choice.

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8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No, we don't care about one series. Excuses are a valid charge, when said guy is in a 15-20 match (LOI) swing of low performances.

Infact, we expect him to bomb during the Aus series. Law of averages mean a guy averaging 90+ and 80+ Strike rate will bomb soon enough.

I expect the ageist people here to use that as some sort of evidence of how Dhoni is 'failing' again.

 

You are a special kind of stupid. Dont even have any confidence in your man. I think my man will go out and outscore everyone. That is the level of confidence I have.

 

Please dont quote law of averages. If you do well against SL and bad against Australia then averages have nothing to do with it.

Dhoni is not failing again. He is a perennial failure.

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44 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Hey kiddo, their averages are near-identical and Pant is a crappier keeper than Dhoni. I don't see any reason why he should be rushed. Make him wait till he is good enough, like Gilly. We have Saha ahead of him, for every format. Or atleast, should be 

 

:phehe:you should only enjoy comedy nights with khote and reply him in his way.  Don't take that troll seriously yaar

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30 minutes ago, Khota said:

Mind your language. 

First - Pant is better. Please dont quote averages in cricket as they mean nothing.

Pant along with 4 other keepers outscored dhoni. If you outscore someone you are considered better.

Pant is young and his reflexes are better.

Dhoni is better connected. He will not be my 5 th choice.

Your man can't even outperform people in A squad. Pandey was the highest scorer and he is back in Ind team. What is your creative doing in comedy nights with kothe. Disspointing script 

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55 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

He does have backup...Saha.

Your entire rant is irrelevant to the Dhoni talk, since Dhoni is not being out-performed. Not even close. I don't care if he is 37 or 47, ageism is a mark of unprofessionalism that infests Indian sports.

 

Saha is the backup??? Lol...when was the last time Saha played a LOI game :hysterical: or even remotely considered to be in the scheme of things.

 

no one is saying that there should be a mandatory retirement in sport....but may be I should stress the keywords for you again "backup" "planning" etc etc.

 

Dhoni is not  as indispensable as you make him out to be...even a struggling and scratchy  Pant scored a run a ball knock...it is not that hard to have a good average if you don't have the intent...s/r of 80 odd for a lower order power hitter is laughable these days when even 125-130 sr is considered pedestrian in some scenarios.

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15 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Your man can't even outperform people in A squad. Pandey was the highest scorer and he is back in Ind team. What is your creative doing in comedy nights with kothe. Disspointing script 

Dhoni had 5 wkt keepers from India who outperformed in IPL.

Not one.fact.

Not two.Fact.

Not three.fact.

Not four.Fact.

Five.fact.

What was your hero doing when 5 outperformed him. Capt Cool. What a joke.fact.

Dhoni is useless. Fact.

Your hero is sifarshi. Fact.

He needs to be out. Fact.

He will fail against Australia.Fact.

You will still want him in the team.Fact.

You are not rational.Fact.

You were dropped on your head as a baby.fact.

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Good call. Squashing all this ageist unprofessional noise surrounding a player who is 'too old' in some people's minds. Despite the fact that he is amongst the fittest men in the team, an impeccable LOI keeper and is continuing to prove that 2016 was an aberration to his amazing play as a batsman.

 

this is the cricket equivalent of saying 'I don' t care how old he is, we are not going to trade away Dominic Hasek'

 

I never said age should be the criteria for not selcting Dhoni.

My problem is that he is useless.

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10 minutes ago, Khota said:

Dhoni had 5 wkt keepers from India who outperformed in IPL.

Not one.fact.

Not two.Fact.

Not three.fact.

Not four.Fact.

Five.fact.

What was your hero doing when 5 outperformed him. Capt Cool. What a joke.fact.

Dhoni is useless. Fact.

Your hero is sifarshi. Fact.

He needs to be out. Fact.

He will fail against Australia.Fact.

You will still want him in the team.Fact.

You are not rational.Fact.

You were dropped on your head as a baby.fact.

:giggle:this guy is pure comedy.. Now get back to your original account and start deleting posts 

 

Gambir dhawan pandey Raina tripathi uttu samson and Rahane outperformed your boy in IPL so your boy should stand in line according to your Retarded IPL logic. 

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11 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

:giggle:this guy is pure comedy.. Now get back to your original account and start deleting posts 

 

Gambir dhawan pandey Raina tripathi uttu samson and Rahane outperformed your boy in IPL so your boy should stand in line according to your Retarded IPL logic. 

S Smith also outperformed. So did others. But Mr. Einstein we are talking about wkt keepers only so it would help if you stick to the topic. 

Your post are comedy gold. No one should delete them. As a matter of fact you are joke too. Does your mother know you are on the keyboard?

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5 minutes ago, Khota said:

S Smith also outperformed. So did others. But Mr. Einstein we are talking about wkt keepers only so it would help if you stick to the topic. 

Your post are comedy gold. No one should delete them. As a matter of fact you are joke too. Does your mother know you are on the keyboard?

Uttu samson and patel are keepers :hysterical:Mr. Einstein. I see you are getting mad :giggle: triggered by  your own logic ? 

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So even if Dhoni falls lower than he is at present, in the mind of the coach he will continue in the XI. Is he serious or what? Cursed are we to keep this worthless liability in our XI when other teams have much more dynamic players in that slot. Gaya WC 2019 haath se.

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Saha is the backup??? Lol...when was the last time Saha played a LOI game :hysterical: or even remotely considered to be in the scheme of things.

 

no one is saying that there should be a mandatory retirement in sport....but may be I should stress the keywords for you again "backup" "planning" etc etc.

 

Dhoni is not  as indispensable as you make him out to be...even a struggling and scratchy  Pant scored a run a ball knock...it is not that hard to have a good average if you don't have the intent...s/r of 80 odd for a lower order power hitter is laughable these days when even 125-130 sr is considered pedestrian in some scenarios.

Saha has more LOI experience than the up-jumped kid with no accomplishments.

Backup is simply the next best guy available. that right now, is Saha. We can revisit next year or the year after, if the calculus changes.

 

I don't care what Pant does with the bat- unless he massively outshines Dhoni with the bat (which he is not), it does not make up for his inferior keeping. 

As for power-hitter, LOI is a combination of accumulation and power hitting. So long as a batsman is excelling in one or the other (accumulation or quick runs), their spot is safe. 

 

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1 hour ago, Khota said:

Dhoni had 5 wkt keepers from India who outperformed in IPL.

Not one.fact.

Not two.Fact.

Not three.fact.

Not four.Fact.

Five.fact.

What was your hero doing when 5 outperformed him. Capt Cool. What a joke.fact.

Dhoni is useless. Fact.

Your hero is sifarshi. Fact.

He needs to be out. Fact.

He will fail against Australia.Fact.

You will still want him in the team.Fact.

You are not rational.Fact.

You were dropped on your head as a baby.fact.

Nope. try again, Dhoni was the best keeper on display in IPL. 

Dhoni has not been outperformed in LOIs, even in list-A cricket. that is the fact.

Ofcourse he is likely to fail against Austraila. A guy sporting 90+ batting average for the year, is up for a low-scoring series. Law of averages says that. to discount it, is irrational.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

Mind your language. 

First - Pant is better. Please dont quote averages in cricket as they mean nothing.

Pant along with 4 other keepers outscored dhoni. If you outscore someone you are considered better.

Pant is young and his reflexes are better.

Dhoni is better connected. He will not be my 5 th choice.

Pant is not better. If he was better, he'd be scoring way more runs and keeping better. Yet, Pant is not in the same league as Dhoni as a keeper. 

Pant outscored him, because he bats higher than Dhoni. Both have similar averages. 

 

I don' t care how good Pant's reflexes are. Dhoni is seasoned and has far better game sense. I don't care what choice he is for you- he is an automatic choice for most, because he is the best keeper in limited overs we have and nobody has a better average than him in LOIs. 


Pant is just an overhyped kid. Even Gillchrist had to wait behind Healey and Dhoni is 10 times the batsman Healy is. 

No time for sifarishi kids for just being young.

 

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

You are a special kind of stupid. Dont even have any confidence in your man. I think my man will go out and outscore everyone. That is the level of confidence I have.

 

Please dont quote law of averages. If you do well against SL and bad against Australia then averages have nothing to do with it.

Dhoni is not failing again. He is a perennial failure.

Only the special kind of stupid are those who see a batsman scoring at 90+ average for the year and not expect a failure, law of averages catching up, since 99.999% batsmen don't finish the year averaging 90+.

LOL at calling someone averaging 50+ for career with 80+ strike rate as a perennial failure.

Agenda driven ageist people who want sifarishi young kids in the side at expense of quality are so easy to out. 

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

No, we don't care about one series. Excuses are a valid charge, when said guy is in a 15-20 match (LOI) swing of low performances.

Infact, we expect him to bomb during the Aus series. Law of averages mean a guy averaging 90+ and 80+ Strike rate will bomb soon enough.

I expect the ageist people here to use that as some sort of evidence of how Dhoni is 'failing' again.

 

 

3 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Don't worry. They have the excuses ready for the aus series. 

@Laaloo  There you have it. Excuse ready: Law of averages. :rotfl:

 

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53 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

the best keeper in the country for limited overs, who is also accumulating runs at 90+ average, is by no definition of the word, a 'failure'.

 

Even if dhoni scores a single run he would do it with high average. Average average average...average... Yes damn he is average.

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People need to have a perspective that it is not about replacing Dhoni immediately. He might not be replaced even in next 2 years but at least have a back up plan ready. At least prepare a young player to take his place. Look at what happened to Australia after Gilchrist. They are still struggling to find that coveted WK/batsman in LOI cricket. Why didn't they select Pant against SL as back keeper is beyond me. He should even got a game or two. We need to keep giving him international exposure at the international level.

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