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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Nope. try again, Dhoni was the best keeper on display in IPL. 

Dhoni has not been outperformed in LOIs, even in list-A cricket. that is the fact.

Ofcourse he is likely to fail against Austraila. A guy sporting 90+ batting average for the year, is up for a low-scoring series. Law of averages says that. to discount it, is irrational.

 

 

If he will fail against Aus that will not be because of law of averages but because Aus has a better bowling attack than SL or WI.

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8 hours ago, Khota said:

You want me to do your home work. This time I will do it but from now on you are on your own.

These are the batsman/wkt keepers who outscored your hero in IPL.

Patel

Utthapa

Samson

Pant 

Karthick

 

Now you can respond with excuses.

u n ur ipl, go watch some international cricket

Karthik- what happened when he kep wkts in Asia cup few yrs ago, blunder after blunder

Uthappa- - bhajji blasted him for his poor keeping in Zimb on field 

Patel- His keeping has been poor ever since, also can he bat at 5,6

 

Btw u were suppose to show stats not throw names. Either show stats rather then saying random **** or dnt even bother replying 

 

Rather watching IPL , watch some international cricket

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6 hours ago, maniac said:

You can show those stats to prove how great MSD is but simple question what is the excuse that a 36 year old who will be 37 soon has no back up whatsoever? Now if someone has tried and failed sure I will buy the no alternative factor but how many backups have been tried since 2015 wc...also how many times have we played teams like Zim,Wi,SL since then...I will exclude Bangladesh as they are a good odi side these days so tell me why isn't there a back up.

 

The only guy who is irreplaceable in the team right now hands down is Kohli and god forbid even if he gets injured we have atleast 10 names that will sub for him...even though that will be a much bigger loss than any player in the team.

 

why are we harping on stats and pointless notouts when the problem is much bigger...now don't give the bs that Dhoni is not the selector etc...since 2015 WC, he was captain for the most  part....why wasn't an intitative taken to groom a successor atleast in dead rubbers or against weaker teams.

 

I take Dhoni's stats with a pinch of salt.....even Bhuvi got a 50 when his intention was to just save his wicket against some of the opposition.

Anyway I will not even get into Dhoni's performance as that's a debate for another day, but the entire argument that there is no alternative is totally flawed. 

 

simple- With Bhuvi grabbing every chance and Bumrah having a breakout year even a 25.00 average bowler like Shami can lose his spot with pandya getting in as an allrounder.

 

so lot of insecurity at play...maybe it's Dhoni,Maybe it's BCCI as Dhoni still generates a lot of ad revenue but something is definitely fishy.

I have answered most things in above post

15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I hve been screaming for over an year or more that dhoni shud no were be near t20 setup

I pretty much screamed in every game when pant was made to warm benches in WI and dropped in SL 

 

I hve been saying that guy is good enough to play as batsman only and yes start auditioning other keepers from t20 format atleast . It shud have been started with Samson and now pant n kishen has also emerged they can also be tried

 

But, our opinions dnt matter in real world. Ultimately its selector and team mngmt who will pick the team and if pant keeps having low or avg scores, Samson keeps having poor ranji season how will mngmt and selector get confidence to replace a figure like dhoni. To replace such a player u dnt have to knock the door but break it . Thats y i mentioned dhoni runs on A-tour and his way was easy to replace 2 failures. Its how selection dynamic works. 

 

Take iyers example, we have wanted rohit out and someone like iyer in for a few years , but his lack of perfomances wen it mattered hasnt helped his case . N again rohit sharma is also not someone diff to replace in test cricket 

Yes its been a failure that we havent tried new option with so many useless series we have had played . Rest m not the right person to answer why it hasnt happened 

 

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4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Saha has more LOI experience than the up-jumped kid with no accomplishments.

Backup is simply the next best guy available. that right now, is Saha. We can revisit next year or the year after, if the calculus changes.

 

I don't care what Pant does with the bat- unless he massively outshines Dhoni with the bat (which he is not), it does not make up for his inferior keeping. 

As for power-hitter, LOI is a combination of accumulation and power hitting. So long as a batsman is excelling in one or the other (accumulation or quick runs), their spot is safe. 

 

When was the last odi/t20 series Saha was selected as backup?

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

People need to have a perspective that it is not about replacing Dhoni immediately. He might not be replaced even in next 2 years but at least have a back up plan ready. At least prepare a young player to take his place. Look at what happened to Australia after Gilchrist. They are still struggling to find that coveted WK/batsman in LOI cricket. Why didn't they select Pant against SL as back keeper is beyond me. He should even got a game or two. We need to keep giving him international exposure at the international level.

And what makes you think that will be him even in future ? Fact is he is overhyped slogger just on ICF. Did he have a good T20I? Last time I checked he slowed that WI game  on a patta and didn't have great A tour on other hand pandey did well and drafted in... No one cares about those few agenda driven sachin chamchas :giggle:

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"A player is evaluated on the basis of his current form and fitness and Dhoni has both. If you see his wicket-keeping, he is the best in ODI cricket. His fitness is superb, he batted well in Sri Lanka. And let me tell you, it was just a trailer what you saw in Sri Lanka now wait for the movie," he said.

 

Shastri said if Dhoni can continue to perform like this then there's no question of not having him in the 2019 World Cup.

 

"If he continues to play like this, there no question of not having him in the team for the 2019 world cup. You can't even think of a team without Dhoni," he said.

 

 

http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/we-need-ms-dhoni-in-2019-world-cup-ravi-shastri-1750178?pfrom=home-otherstories

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7 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

And what makes you think that will be him even in future ? Fact is he is overhyped slogger just on ICF. Did he have a good T20I? Last time I checked he slowed that WI game  on a patta and didn't have great A tour on other hand pandey did well and drafted in... No one cares about those few agenda driven sachin chamchas :giggle:

Good or not backup wicketkeeper needs to be there. Since Karthick, Patel are poor keepers and neither very special in batting, India has no choice but to select Pant or Ishan or some other youngster as a backup. These kids also need to be given low profile series like against SL, WI etc. But dhoni wants to play every game and there lies a problem.

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41 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Good or not backup wicketkeeper needs to be there. Since Karthick, Patel are poor keepers and neither very special in batting, India has no choice but to select Pant or Ishan or some other youngster as a backup. These kids also need to be given low profile series like against SL, WI etc. But dhoni wants to play every game and there lies a problem.

We already have backup wicket keeper in the team(Kedar and Rahul) not sure how many times it was told here before Dravid and other coaches said Pant's keeping is not upto the mark. "But dhoni wants" so if Dhoni wants to bring back joginder sharma he can? Lot of rubbish from agenda gang. It doesn't matter what he wants. Selectors and Kohli think he is not good enough so it is what it is... 

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

And what makes you think that will be him even in future ? Fact is he is overhyped slogger just on ICF. Did he have a good T20I? Last time I checked he slowed that WI game  on a patta and didn't have great A tour on other hand pandey did well and drafted in... No one cares about those few agenda driven sachin chamchas :giggle:

he is the best prospect right now. He played one game and you already declared. By this criteria, Dhoni should have been out from T20 long ago.

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14 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

We already have backup wicket keeper in the team(Kedar and Rahul) not sure how many times it was told here before Dravid and other coaches said Pant's keeping is not upto the mark. "But dhoni wants" so if Dhoni wants to bring back joginder sharma he can? Lot of rubbish from agenda gang. It doesn't matter what he wants. Selectors and Kohli think he is not good enough so it is what it is... 

Even Dhoni's keeping was not up to the mark when he made his debut in 2004. He was only selected because he could slog and hit big. Same is the case with Pant now.

 

Rahul and Kedar are temporary keepers, not backup keepers. 

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he is the best prospect right now. He played one game and you already declared. By this criteria, Dhoni should have been out from T20 long ago.

Dhoni was not only a batsmen. He was captain and WK from day 1 of T20Is you can't compare that to this atall. If a coach is saying he is not a good keeper yet that means he is not ready.

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4 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Dhoni was not only a batsmen. He was captain and WK from day 1 of T20Is you can't compare that to this atall. If a coach is saying he is not a good keeper yet that means he is not ready.

give me the link when coach said that. 

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17 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Even Dhoni's keeping was not up to the mark when he made his debut in 2004. He was only selected because he could slog and hit big. Same is the case with Pant now.

 

Rahul and Kedar are temporary keepers, not backup keepers. 

The question is why are you stressing on one guy who didn't even have great A tour. Dhoni got in the squad from A team when he first came in. Are we going to have another so called Talent who walks into the team for doing nothing ? If he wants to be in the team he has to perform like pandey did in A tour and now he is part of playing xi. No point blaming others. Ironic how no one points a finger at Kohli I strongly believe he is the captain. So if GOAT and selectors  doesn't rate him he is not good enough at this point. Maybe 2019 or 2020 we ll see.. 

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1 hour ago, puneet28 said:

No offence with Dhoni, he's doing good with keeping and batting, but Shastri's statement is hilarious. 

Exactly... this Ravi shastri is putting unnecessary pressure on DHoni...

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Nope. try again, Dhoni was the best keeper on display in IPL. 

Dhoni has not been outperformed in LOIs, even in list-A cricket. that is the fact.

Ofcourse he is likely to fail against Austraila. A guy sporting 90+ batting average for the year, is up for a low-scoring series. Law of averages says that. to discount it, is irrational.

 

 

The onlty thing irrational is your post.

He was flashy as a keeper but did not outperform others.

Dont quote avaerages to me. In cricket they are not done correctly.

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

Even if dhoni scores a single run he would do it with high average. Average average average...average... Yes damn he is average.

Exactly. I am tired of this average thing. I want brilliance. No more average.

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Only the special kind of stupid are those who see a batsman scoring at 90+ average for the year and not expect a failure, law of averages catching up, since 99.999% batsmen don't finish the year averaging 90+.

LOL at calling someone averaging 50+ for career with 80+ strike rate as a perennial failure.

Agenda driven ageist people who want sifarishi young kids in the side at expense of quality are so easy to out. 

If you agree he is going to fail in the Australian series why dont you sit him out. Case solved and you will not be wasting any time.

 

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

u n ur ipl, go watch some international cricket

Karthik- what happened when he kep wkts in Asia cup few yrs ago, blunder after blunder

Uthappa- - bhajji blasted him for his poor keeping in Zimb on field 

Patel- His keeping has been poor ever since, also can he bat at 5,6

 

Btw u were suppose to show stats not throw names. Either show stats rather then saying random **** or dnt even bother replying 

 

Rather watching IPL , watch some international cricket

I rather watch IPL then international with Zim, SL or BD.

I am not going to cut and paste the table for you. I just gave the name of batsman who outperformed your boy.

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6 minutes ago, Khota said:

I rather watch IPL then international with Zim, SL or BD.

I am not going to cut and paste the table for you. I just gave the name of batsman who outperformed your boy.

u cnt coz u dnt have, stop this fenkupanti we all knw stats 

Exactly, u dnt watch international cricket to knw that bang aint a week side anymore 

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10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

u cnt coz u dnt have, stop this fenkupanti we all knw stats 

Exactly, u dnt watch international cricket to knw that bang aint a week side anymore 

I know the mighty BD is not a week side. They are not a monthly side either. They for sure are a weak side. I will have the stat table for you later today.

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So trailer was like tuk...tuk...lunge....lunge.....tuk...tuk....single.

 

Leaked script

 

Full movie is going to be tuk....tuk....tuk......tuk.....tuk......lunge.....tuk....tuk.....tuk......single........lunge.......lunge.......tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk....lunge....lunge....lunge.....lunge.....tuk...tuk....tuk...tuk.......edge for 4......tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge...tuk.....tuk.....lunge.....lunge.....single....tuk...tuk.....tuk...tuk......tuk....tuk....tuk...lunge......lunge....tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...single....lunge...lunge....lunge...lunge.....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge....6....*

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

So trailer was like tuk...tuk...lunge....lunge.....tuk...tuk....single.

 

Leaked script

 

Full movie is going to be tuk....tuk....tuk......tuk.....tuk......lunge.....tuk....tuk.....tuk......single........lunge.......lunge.......tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk....lunge....lunge....lunge.....lunge.....tuk...tuk....tuk...tuk.......edge for 4......tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge...tuk.....tuk.....lunge.....lunge.....single....tuk...tuk.....tuk...tuk......tuk....tuk....tuk...lunge......lunge....tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...single....lunge...lunge....lunge...lunge.....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge....6....*

That was perfect.. Exactly what sachin did through out the years except he can't hit a six lol

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

So trailer was like tuk...tuk...lunge....lunge.....tuk...tuk....single.

 

Leaked script

 

Full movie is going to be tuk....tuk....tuk......tuk.....tuk......lunge.....tuk....tuk.....tuk......single........lunge.......lunge.......tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk....lunge....lunge....lunge.....lunge.....tuk...tuk....tuk...tuk.......edge for 4......tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge...tuk.....tuk.....lunge.....lunge.....single....tuk...tuk.....tuk...tuk......tuk....tuk....tuk...lunge......lunge....tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...single....lunge...lunge....lunge...lunge.....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge....6....*

Average 60

s/r 40

 

chamchas are satisfied 

and India loses again against better teams

 

Rinse and repeat

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17 minutes ago, maniac said:

So trailer was like tuk...tuk...lunge....lunge.....tuk...tuk....single.

 

Leaked script

 

Full movie is going to be tuk....tuk....tuk......tuk.....tuk......lunge.....tuk....tuk.....tuk......single........lunge.......lunge.......tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk....lunge....lunge....lunge.....lunge.....tuk...tuk....tuk...tuk.......edge for 4......tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge...tuk.....tuk.....lunge.....lunge.....single....tuk...tuk.....tuk...tuk......tuk....tuk....tuk...lunge......lunge....tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...tuk...single....lunge...lunge....lunge...lunge.....tuk....tuk....tuk...tuk...tuk...lunge....6....*

looks like scoring pattern of the hitman in first 10 overs 

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10 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

looks like scoring pattern of the hitman in first 10 overs 

So predictable...saw it coming......anyways would you rather have that pattern in the first 10 overs when the ball is new and potentially swinging or in the last 10 when you have a solid platform and trying to accelerate?

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Just now, maniac said:

So predictable...saw it coming......anyways would you rather have that pattern in the first 10 overs when the ball is new and potentially swinging or in the last 10 when you have a solid platform and trying to accelerate?

Yes, yes.  All ODIs where tailunt bats are played in overcast conditions at Headingley.   While the likes of Alex Hales, David Warner, Jason Roy, Finch, QdK, etc are batting on sub-continental flat tracks. 

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Just now, sandeep said:

Yes, yes.  All ODIs where tailunt bats are played in overcast conditions at Headingley.   While the likes of Alex Hales, David Warner, Jason Roy, Finch, QdK, etc are batting on sub-continental flat tracks. 

Ah...neutral non chamcha fan in da house...woop

woop...comment on the topic at hand lol

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  • Ravi ji
  • Australia famous for Sledgeing in various term.Not to forget Warner back from no where with 64,
  • Head 65, Wade 45,Stoinis 76 and no need to say about number 1 smith.Cummins will put skids vs India for his 50 overs in 5 ODI he is handy with bats too.
  • Interval always came in between trailer and Movie

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