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48 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U asked a stupid question comparing both

U dnt comapre someone dip to someone normal game. U want me to comapre tendulkar 17 avg to other indian poor batsman in 2003 test cricket n make same statement 

I asked a legit question. You think its stupid because you're accustomed to mediocrity. I'm asking questions on how we can make the best team for the World Cup. You are happy waving your pom poms because we beat the mighty windies and lankans. 

 

Sure if you want to make that statement about Sachin, who am I to stop you?

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7 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

I asked a legit question. You think its stupid because you're accustomed to mediocrity. I'm asking questions on how we can make the best team for the World Cup. You are happy waving your pom poms because we beat the mighty windies and lankans. 

 

Sure if you want to make that statement about Sachin, who am I to stop you?

U wanna make best team, find me better option then dhoni who contribute as much as dhoni and prove with reasons 

Each n every candidate , n the names u going to suggest tell me what ahve they done to earn a place in national team 

 

Even if he is mediocre he is our best option

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7 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

He didnt give a chance in dead rubbers. What makes you think he will do now that his career is almost ending. :cantstop:

That is what really makes me mad. This points to the insecurity of dhoni and company.

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He is on dip by his standards and yet performing more then many , why give chances to other

chances are not given they are earned .......what has anyone else done to earn a place 

He is in dip by any standard.

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54 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U wanna make best team, find me better option then dhoni who contribute as much as dhoni and prove with reasons 

Each n every candidate , n the names u going to suggest tell me what ahve they done to earn a place in national team 

 

Even if he is mediocre he is our best option

Dhawan

Rohit/Rahul

Kohli

Pandey/Rahul/Rohit

Pant

Jadhav

Hardik Pandya

 

 

That's a destructive top 7. the last 3 even more so. 

 

I dont want anything to do with Uthappa/Parthiv/Samson/Karthik. They have had enough chances and bottled it. The only person that's even deserving to get a run is Pant. 

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Venkatesh Prasad is the biggest fear MSD has, since long time 

 

"" if Dhoni ( batting average 27 in 2016) not Performing in Limited over cricket for India, we have option to replace  him in India NOW""

 

My Baap,mein meri Biwi se bhi nahin Darta, mein Khelunga,MUJE BHI JAROORAT HAI 2019 Tak ( batting average jumped to 94 in 2017) 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U wanna make best team, find me better option then dhoni who contribute as much as dhoni and prove with reasons 

Each n every candidate , n the names u going to suggest tell me what ahve they done to earn a place in national team 

 

Even if he is mediocre he is our best option

How can anyone contribute as much as dhoni by sitting out? :laugh: Dhoni fans just go round and round about same arguments again and again.

 

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5 hours ago, Pollack said:

How can anyone contribute as much as dhoni by sitting out? :laugh: Dhoni fans just go round and round about same arguments again and again.

 

So u think a pant can come an guide a youngster from behind the stumps or even while batting with

We do come up with question , yet no smart answer .......bas nikal do.

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So u think a pant can come an guide a youngster from behind the stumps or even while batting with

We do come up with question , yet no smart answer .......bas nikal do.

Oh yeah! Guide the youngster from behind the stumps. Let's bring back Sachin in playing eleven. He can guide some of the youngsters in the team. Also Zaheer khan in playing eleven to guide the bowlers ..

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6 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Oh yeah! Guide the youngster from behind the stumps. Let's bring back Sachin in playing eleven. He can guide some of the youngsters in the team. Also Zaheer khan in playing eleven to guide the bowlers ..

Only if both of them are fit as dhoni, actually zak has been doing that with half a fitness in DD and u shud read their interveiws how helpful it has been 

N surely if they can perform like dhoni, now dnt say what has he performed unless u were sleeping in last game or SL series or ENg series 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Only if both of them are fit as dhoni, actually zak has been doing that with half a fitness in DD and u shud read their interveiws how helpful it has been 

N surely if they can perform like dhoni, now dnt say what has he performed unless u were sleeping in last game or SL series or ENg series 

Sachin wasn't exactly unfit when he retired.

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21 hours ago, putrevus said:

He is doing just fine in captaincy department without Dhoni guidance in tests. I don't see what exactly Dhoni has changed or guided Kohli in that department.

We don't want Dhoni's no risk style of captaincy creeping into Kohli's captaincy.

"Just fine"?  Kohli has a long way to go and a lot of room for improvement in terms of reading the game, and being pro-active and quick enough in terms of reacting to match situations - whether that's field placement, bowling changes, or tactical approach to recommend to bowlers.  Dhoni was a terrible test captain, but is a very decent captain in LOIs - he instinctively 'gets' the limited overs game.  Sure he is conservative at times, even too much so.  But you are never going to always agree with someone else's approach - overall, his understanding and ability to intervene in a ODI are far ahead those of VK's.   

 

I give a lot of credit to VK for recognizing this, and being mature enough to take in Dhoni's input.   That's easier said than done.  

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22 hours ago, sandeep said:

"Just fine"?  Kohli has a long way to go and a lot of room for improvement in terms of reading the game, and being pro-active and quick enough in terms of reacting to match situations - whether that's field placement, bowling changes, or tactical approach to recommend to bowlers.  Dhoni was a terrible test captain, but is a very decent captain in LOIs - he instinctively 'gets' the limited overs game.  Sure he is conservative at times, even too much so.  But you are never going to always agree with someone else's approach - overall, his understanding and ability to intervene in a ODI are far ahead those of VK's.   

 

I give a lot of credit to VK for recognizing this, and being mature enough to take in Dhoni's input.   That's easier said than done.  

How long has Kohli captained odis, he has done just fine there also, they reached ICC tournament finals. Nobody is saying Dhoni's input is not needed, if it is not Dhoni Kohli would take input of the keeper who is playing as a keeper.

 

 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How long has Kohli captained odis, he has done just fine there also, they reached ICC tournament finals. Nobody is saying Dhoni's input is not needed, if it is not Dhoni Kohli would take input of the keeper who is playing as a keeper.

 

 

Agree to disagree.  To me, its clear as day, that Kohli is heavily reliant on Dhoni for in-game management.  And takes a lot more input than he would from "any other keeper".   We are not talking about DRS here.  

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25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Agree to disagree.  To me, its clear as day, that Kohli is heavily reliant on Dhoni for in-game management.  And takes a lot more input than he would from "any other keeper".   We are not talking about DRS here.  

That is because he is senior, Dhoni used to do the same when Sachin or other seniors are around.

 

This notion that Kohli is reliant on Dhoni to captain is ridiculous. It is as ridiculous as this article where Dhoni is getting credit for doing nothing.

 

"I asked Mahi bhai, what should I bowl. He said 'tujhe jaisa bhi lagta hai, woh daal (bowl the way you want to)'. I was very happy that he backed me," Yadav said after the match.

 

 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How long has Kohli captained odis, he has done just fine there also, they reached ICC tournament finals. Nobody is saying Dhoni's input is not needed, if it is not Dhoni Kohli would take input of the keeper who is playing as a keeper.

 

 

No saha input hasnt been taken that much in test cricket

 

"MS Dhoni brought a sense of calmness to his captaincy. He did a great job as captain and he is still doing a great job, nurturing Virat and that is a great thing to do for a former captain. He is nurturing Virat and that is a good thing for both men."- Warner

 

I think warner describes it really well

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36 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No saha input hasnt been taken that much in test cricket

 

"MS Dhoni brought a sense of calmness to his captaincy. He did a great job as captain and he is still doing a great job, nurturing Virat and that is a great thing to do for a former captain. He is nurturing Virat and that is a good thing for both men."- Warner

 

I think warner describes it really well

Saha's input? Virat doesn't even listen to that guy:phehe:he has no voice in the team. 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No saha input hasnt been taken that much in test cricket

 

"MS Dhoni brought a sense of calmness to his captaincy. He did a great job as captain and he is still doing a great job, nurturing Virat and that is a great thing to do for a former captain. He is nurturing Virat and that is a good thing for both men."- Warner

 

I think warner describes it really well

How do you know his input is not taken. People need stop acting as if Kohli will not be good captain if Dhoni is not there.

What do you expect Warner to say no Dhoni is not good for Kohli.I would be more interested what was the question he gave this answer.

It is good that both these men have not let their egos come in between and have worked together well. But to give credit to Dhoni for Kohli's success is ridiculous.

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22 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How do you know his input is not taken. People need stop acting as if Kohli will not be good captain if Dhoni is not there.

What do you expect Warner to say no Dhoni is not good for Kohli.I would be more interested what was the question he gave this answer.

It is good that both these men have not let their egos come in between and have worked together well. But to give credit to Dhoni for Kohli's success is ridiculous.

Even with Dhoni present, I have seen a lot of VK's captaincy.   He leaves much to be desired.  He's reactive A F.  I don't want to be too harsh on him, because he should get a lot of credit in other choices he's made as captain.  I absolutely love and respect VK for his decision to consistently play 5 bowlers in tests more often than not.  It was a brave, and a selfless choice.  Not the easiest one, but the correct one.   So I am hoping that he keeps growing as skipper, and gets better with his in-game decision making and tactics.  He's definitely smart enough.  But some guys improve and get better at it, some don't.  Time will tell.  

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4 hours ago, putrevus said:

How do you know his input is not taken. People need stop acting as if Kohli will not be good captain if Dhoni is not there.

What do you expect Warner to say no Dhoni is not good for Kohli.I would be more interested what was the question he gave this answer.

It is good that both these men have not let their egos come in between and have worked together well. But to give credit to Dhoni for Kohli's success is ridiculous.

Watch the game how dhoni actually takes over when spinners come, have u seen that during test saha taking over. Saha does get involved in decision making as dhoni 

From aussies u do expect that , n if an opposition player sees it that means its there

Ab har baat ka galat matalb nikalana ho nikal hi ja sakta hai

 

Yes both its gr8 both are working toghter , well acc to me kohli deserves all acclaudes n even gaalis at the end of the day he is the final decision maker that either he wants to go with dhoni's idea or not. I dnt see dhoni begging for credit .....these are all for fans to give credit to individual. Cricket is a team game at the end of the day 

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On 9/20/2017 at 2:30 PM, Laaloo said:

Dhawan

Rohit/Rahul

Kohli

Pandey/Rahul/Rohit

Pant

Jadhav

Hardik Pandya

 

 

That's a destructive top 7. the last 3 even more so. 

 

I dont want anything to do with Uthappa/Parthiv/Samson/Karthik. They have had enough chances and bottled it. The only person that's even deserving to get a run is Pant. 

What chances has Samson got in the national team?  Don't throw around BS if you don't know your facts.

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Watch the game how dhoni actually takes over when spinners come, have u seen that during test saha taking over. Saha does get involved in decision making as dhoni 

From aussies u do expect that , n if an opposition player sees it that means its there

Ab har baat ka galat matalb nikalana ho nikal hi ja sakta hai

 

Yes both its gr8 both are working toghter , well acc to me kohli deserves all acclaudes n even gaalis at the end of the day he is the final decision maker that either he wants to go with sachin's idea or not. I dnt see dhoni begging for credit .....these are all for fans to give credit to individual. Cricket is a team game at the end of the day 

This is not 1980s where Aussies did not give rats ass to India. Now Aussies don't want to in bad books of any Indian public.Dhoni is more expressive where as Saha is silent type.Dhoni has been a captain a very successful one under whom Kohli began his career so he will have more freedom.That does not mean he is telling Kohli what to do if he wanted to do it he would be still captain.No one kicked him out he left on his own.

 

That is one positive legacy Fab four left on Indian cricket they never played politics when others became captains.Hope this continues in future too.

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10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This is not 1980s where Aussies did not give rats ass to India. Now Aussies don't want to in bad books of any Indian public.Dhoni is more expressive where as Saha is silent type.Dhoni has been a captain a very successful one under whom Kohli began his career so he will have more freedom.That does not mean he is telling Kohli what to do if he wanted to do it he would be still captain.No one kicked him out he left on his own.

 

That is one positive legacy Fab four left on Indian cricket they never played politics when others became captains.Hope this continues in future too.

My My so many delussions 

 

Now Aussies don't want to in bad books of any Indian public - did u watch the test series

Dhoni is more expressive where as Saha is silent type- H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S

That is one positive legacy Fab four left on Indian cricket they never played politics when others became captains- Ahem Ahem dravid capatin, ganguly the player . Cant be sure 100% about the politics sitting far away but all wasnt right 

 

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3 hours ago, sandeep said:

Even with Dhoni present, I have seen a lot of VK's captaincy.   He leaves much to be desired.  He's reactive A F.  I don't want to be too harsh on him, because he should get a lot of credit in other choices he's made as captain.  I absolutely love and respect VK for his decision to consistently play 5 bowlers in tests more often than not.  It was a brave, and a selfless choice.  Not the easiest one, but the correct one.   So I am hoping that he keeps growing as skipper, and gets better with his in-game decision making and tactics.  He's definitely smart enough.  But some guys improve and get better at it, some don't.  Time will tell.  

Captaincy on the field is 10% of the job.The main job of the captain is make the team believe in his vision.

 

Kohli is one of those rare guys who transitioned from under 19 captaincy to Indian senior captaincy.He has passion to be the best and is more positive than Dhoni as a test captain.I don't see in anyway Dhoni is better on field captain than Kohli he will get better and will learn more as he captains more matches.

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Just now, putrevus said:

Captaincy on the field is 10% of the job.

I strongly disagree.  

 

Just now, putrevus said:

.I don't see in anyway Dhoni is better on field captain than Kohli he will get better and will learn more as he captains more matches.

Again, I disagree.  But I do hope that he gets better.  

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6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

My My so many delussions 

 

Now Aussies don't want to in bad books of any Indian public - did u watch the test series

Dhoni is more expressive where as Saha is silent type- H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S

That is one positive legacy Fab four left on Indian cricket they never played politics when others became captains- Ahem Ahem dravid capatin, ganguly the player . Cant be sure 100% about the politics sitting far away but all wasnt right 

 

Did you watch Smith public apology after the series, what is this insane urge to credit Dhoni when other guy is captain.Give it a rest Dhoni is history as captain and Kohli will be just fine with or without Dhoni.He has already proved he is far better test captain than Dhoni ever was and he will be fine as Odi captain as well.

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21 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Did you watch Smith public apology after the series, what is this insane urge to credit Dhoni when other guy is captain.Give it a rest Dhoni is history as captain and Kohli will be just fine with or without Dhoni.He has already proved he is far better test captain than Dhoni ever was and he will be fine as Odi captain as well.

Yaar padh tvo lo main likhta kya hu 

 

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes both its gr8 both are working toghter , well acc to me kohli deserves all acclaudes n even gaalis at the end of the day he is the final decision maker that either he wants to go with dhoni's idea or not. I dnt see dhoni begging for credit .....these are all for fans to give credit to individual. Cricket is a team game at the end of the day 

 

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27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Did you watch Smith public apology after the series, what is this insane urge to credit Dhoni when other guy is captain.Give it a rest Dhoni is history as captain and Kohli will be just fine with or without Dhoni.He has already proved he is far better test captain than Dhoni ever was and he will be fine as Odi captain as well.

Once dhoni finally retires and kohli still does good or even better as captain be ready to hear about how dhoni should be credited since he trained Kohli. :laugh: And if he fails well see dhoni was pulling the strings from behind earlier and so India was doing good. No training then.:laugh: 

 

 

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On 9/21/2017 at 7:25 AM, Pollack said:

How can anyone contribute as much as dhoni by sitting out? :laugh: Dhoni fans just go round and round about same arguments again and again.

 

That's the worst argument. It was used when Dhoni was in the test team, as captain. By that logic we won't be having a Saha or Kohli. As of now, Dhoni has done enough to be in the team but his  spot will be under continuous scrutiny because of age and to build a future team.

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