ICC asks : Do India have the best bowling attack currently in ODI cricket?

[G_B_]

hmm 

 

Pandya, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Chahal and Yadav

 

its a young line up. only time will tell world class or not.

[Kerberos]

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

Bhuvi deserves to play at the moment for sure 

No such thing as deserve to play. Team's interest is ultimate.

[RAZPOR]

45 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Rabada is good, but I still dont rate him so high as to put in a world beater category. I would be inclined to say some of our bowlers are close to him. Shami is definitely way better.

I didn't say he is  better ,he is good thats all.

Shami is better than most bowlers expect maybe staarc on full song.

Edited September 22, 2017 by RAZPOR

[vayuu1]

Rabada is good, but I still dont rate him so high as to put in a world beater category. I would be inclined to say some of our bowlers are close to him. Shami is definitely way better.

You got to be kidding me a 6'4" bowler with pace around mid 140's to early 150 kph and ability to swing it both ways has a exceptionally good Yorker, bouncer and slower ball not to forget the consistency in his bowling ,he is very good.

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[the don]

The spinners look decent but a pace attack with 2 of the 3 bowlers bring bhuvaneshwar kumar and hardik pandya is hardly world class . 

No where near the best .

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

It can become best with those bowlers, but India is still missing wicket takers with new ball.

That wkt taker is warming the bench 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Bhuvi + Shami + Bumrah + kuldeep + hardik now if We are able to get Krunal n shankar as 6th bowler and they perform with both bat and ball not only this wud be bloody good all round bowling attack but our team would become really balanced as well . 

Its that 6th bowler which we have to cover. Coz team will look to target 5th n 6th bowler which can put our attack in trouble 

[Rightarmfast]

44 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

You got to be kidding me a 6'4" bowler with pace around mid 140's to early 150 kph and ability to swing it both ways has a exceptionally good Yorker, bouncer and slower ball not to forget the consistency in his bowling ,he is very good.

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He might well be bowling in 150's, but I only believe what I see. whenever I have seen him bowl, he has been bowling in mid to high 130's. I never said that he isn't good. I said he is not a world beater, which he isnt in my book. All those deliveries that you are talking as if he is the only bowler in the world to have mastered, our own Bumrah and Bhuvi do, at similar pace and on Indian dead wickets!

 

Not that it means anything at this point, but Bumrah has 42 wickets in 23 matches at an avg of 21.78, with an economy of 4.7 ; while Rabada has 65 wickets in 40 matches at an avg of 26.3 with an econ of 5.1 ( in conditions which predominantly favour bowlers ).

 

And to answer your point clearly, I am happy with an Indian Bumrah. Wouldnt want to trade him with Rabada.

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, the don said:

The spinners look decent but a pace attack with 2 of the 3 bowlers bring bhuvaneshwar kumar and hardik pandya is hardly world class . 

 

Hardik Pandya is a pacer-all-rounder and not a specialist pacer.

 

If you compare his ODI bowling with the  pacer-all-rounders of other teams, he is one of the better ones.

 

 

Bhuvi brings to the table 3 important ODI qualities 

1. Dependable death bowling
2. Low ER
3. Picking wickets whenever there is any swing on offer

Yes... he does not get many wickets on flat decks, that is true.

 

 

Shami has 91 wickets from only 47 ODIs with an average of 23. He can take wickets on any tracks and has genuine pace.  As of now, he is being used as a test specialist ( has played 13 tests in the last 14 months )   .... but he is in the squad and will play as the 3rd specialist quick in away ODIs . That makes our attack really good.

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

He might well be bowling in 150's, but I only believe what I see. whenever I have seen him bowl, he has been bowling in mid to high 130's.

 

Yes .... Rabada has made his name by bowling a couple of 150 k balls here and there

 

But, mostly, he is seen bowling 135 k to 147 k ..... and lots 135 k to 140 k balls in tests like you are saying.

[the don]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Hardik Pandya is a pacer-all-rounder and not a specialist pacer.

 

If you compare his ODI bowling with the  pacer-all-rounders of other teams, he is one of the better ones.

 

 

Bhuvi brings to the table 3 important ODI qualities 

1. Dependable death bowling
2. Low ER
3. Picking wickets whenever there is any swing on offer

Yes... he does not get many wickets on flat decks, that is true.

 

 

Shami has 91 wickets from only 47 ODIs with an average of 23. He can take wickets on any tracks and has genuine pace.  As of now, he is being used as a test specialist ( has played 13 tests in the last 14 months )   .... but he is in the squad and will play as the 3rd specialist quick in away ODIs . That makes our attack really good.

That's the issue . 

Hardik pandya has potential as a bowler but is he a 3rd seamer . Or can he play that role long term . Bhuveneshwar flatters to deceive . Shami should be in the playing 11 . Its a good attack but hardly the best . The world cup will be a good test after the champions trophy .

Will be interesting to see how the new set of spinners tour away .

 

[Rightarmfast]

59 minutes ago, the don said:

That's the issue . 

Hardik pandya has potential as a bowler but is he a 3rd seamer . Or can he play that role long term . Bhuveneshwar flatters to deceive . Shami should be in the playing 11 . Its a good attack but hardly the best . The world cup will be a good test after the champions trophy .

Will be interesting to see how the new set of spinners tour away .

 

A) Pandya, in the shorter version of the game, if playing abroad surely has the potential to be more than just a 3rd seamer. He has pace, he has guile, can bounce.  B) You are seriously underrating Bhuvi. He no more bowls in 130's. He is more on the faster side of ' fast medium' which is a huge leap.

C) Unlike some, we are not obsessed about who's best who's not. Its a pretty good attack, and as a team they will be formidable. And I am talking without adding Shami and Umesh to it. 

[Khota]

I believe with 5 spinners and 6 to 7 pace bowlers India has the most depth in bowling attack. Only thing missing is a front line pace bowler but the Umesh/Shami/Bhuvi/Bumrah/Ishant is more depth than any other nation. Throw in Nadeem and there are atleast 7 good spinners India has.

There is no comparison.

 

Stop the infatuation with SA. They are not that good.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Khota

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

I believe with 5 spinners and 6 to 7 pace bowlers India has the most depth in bowling attack. Only thing missing is a front line pace bowler but the Umesh/Shami/Bhuvi/Bumrah/Ishant is more depth than any other nation. Throw in Nadeem and there are atleast 7 good spinners India has.

There is no comparison.

 

Stop the infatuation with SA. They are not that good.

Ishant Sharma.......

This thread is about ODI cricket 

[Laaloo]

Still need to see a bit more consistency. Let's see. Time will tell.

[vayuu1]

He might well be bowling in 150's, but I only believe what I see. whenever I have seen him bowl, he has been bowling in mid to high 130's. I never said that he isn't good. I said he is not a world beater, which he isnt in my book. All those deliveries that you are talking as if he is the only bowler in the world to have mastered, our own Bumrah and Bhuvi do, at similar pace and on Indian dead wickets!

 

Not that it means anything at this point, but Bumrah has 42 wickets in 23 matches at an avg of 21.78, with an economy of 4.7 ; while Rabada has 65 wickets in 40 matches at an avg of 26.3 with an econ of 5.1 ( in conditions which predominantly favour bowlers ).

 

And to answer your point clearly, I am happy with an Indian Bumrah. Wouldnt want to trade him with Rabada.

Nah i'am not saying he is world beater but merely countering ur point ,that we have got guys who are very close to him, and by the way,their is method to his madness, he usually bowls high 130's to mid 140's against top order to concentrate more on line and length slipping odd quick delivery and uses his variations during middle over bowls full throttle during fag end, bumrah is good at what he does, but he needs to add few more tricks as far as new ball is concerned,that is where zak would have been handy.

 

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[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ishant Sharma.......

This thread is about ODI cricket 

I know what it is about. 

[LORD_analyst]

On 9/22/2017 at 11:28 AM, Kerberos said:

Shami-bumrah-Hardik triad is more balanced than Bhuvi-Bumrah-Hardik.

  interesting...

[mancalledsting]

Aus could field Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins and Coulternile all in the same team. Our attack has potential though. 

[Tibarn]

Top 9 teams vs other top 9 teams over the last 2 years

Overall figures

Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
South Africa	23	2015-2017	37	209	1582.1	55	8617	270	7/45	31.91	5.44	35.1	10	1
Australia	32	2016-2017	40	233	1817.4	56	9942	305	6/45	32.59	5.46	35.7	6	4
New Zealand	29	2015-2017	33	190	1407.4	43	7624	227	6/33	33.58	5.41	37.2	3	2
India	32	2015-2017	35	202	1565.2	42	8494	243	5/18	34.95	5.42	38.6	3	3
England	24	2015-2017	37	209	1654.4	58	9123	255	5/51	35.77	5.51	38.9	15	1
Pakistan	33	2015-2017	27	166	1260.5	28	6917	176	5/38	39.30	5.48	42.9	2	2
West Indies	32	2015-2017	28	171	1196.4	33	6594	153	6/27	43.09	5.51	46.9	2	2
Bangladesh	19	2016-2017	15	96	679.5	15	3818	87	4/29	43.88	5.61	46.8	2	0
Sri Lanka	43	2015-2017	36	219	1400.2	32	8307	179	6/54	46.40	5.93	46.9	2	1

 

We seem to be 4th in bowling average, 2nd in economy rate, and 4th in bowling strike rate.

 

Pacers only

Overall figures

Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Australia	20	2016-2017	40	164	1409.2	51	7634	249	6/45	30.65	5.41	33.9	6	4
South Africa	12	2015-2017	37	141	1105.1	41	6088	191	4/31	31.87	5.50	34.7	9	0
Pakistan	12	2015-2017	27	85	720.4	22	4033	124	5/38	32.52	5.59	34.8	1	2
New Zealand	17	2015-2017	33	131	991.1	36	5562	169	6/33	32.91	5.61	35.1	3	2
England	15	2015-2017	37	138	1099.1	52	6137	183	5/51	33.53	5.58	36.0	12	1
India	16	2015-2017	35	109	856.1	29	4895	139	5/27	35.21	5.71	36.9	3	2
Bangladesh	7	2016-2017	15	49	409.2	12	2287	61	4/29	37.49	5.58	40.2	2	0
West Indies	13	2015-2017	28	101	683.2	23	4048	102	5/27	39.68	5.92	40.1	1	1
Sri Lanka	17	2015-2017	36	118	776.5	22	4774	107	4/37	44.61	6.14	43.5	1	0

 

We're 6th in average, 7th in economy rate, and 6th in strike rate

Spinners only

Overall figures

Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
South Africa	9	2015-2017	37	68	477.0	14	2529	79	7/45	32.01	5.30	36.2	1	1
India	14	2015-2017	35	93	709.1	13	3599	104	5/18	34.60	5.07	40.9	0	1
New Zealand	9	2015-2017	33	59	416.3	7	2062	58	3/22	35.55	4.95	43.0	0	0
Australia	11	2016-2017	40	69	408.2	5	2308	56	3/16	41.21	5.65	43.7	0	0
England	6	2015-2017	37	71	555.3	6	2986	72	4/41	41.47	5.37	46.2	3	0
Sri Lanka	21	2015-2017	36	99	620.1	10	3505	72	6/54	48.68	5.65	51.6	1	1
West Indies	12	2015-2017	28	66	507.5	10	2508	51	6/27	49.17	4.93	59.7	1	1
Pakistan	16	2015-2017	27	81	540.1	6	2884	52	4/42	55.46	5.33	62.3	1	0
Bangladesh	8	2016-2017	15	47	270.3	3	1531	26	3/13	58.88	5.65	62.4	0	0

 

We're 2nd in average, 3rd in economy rate, and 2nd in strike rate

 

It seems like we need to still improve our pace bowling.