the don Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, express bowling said: The question being raised here is -- how is Bumrah " medium " ? Even on his slower days, he bowls 135 k to 142 k .... and that is " fast-medium ". I can understand statisticians ignoring his rather frequent faster spells of 140 k to 145 k / 148 k .... but they must consider the speeds in his standard spells atleast. He isnt medium . He is fast medium easily. Link to comment
the don Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Umesh too has clocked 150 on multiple occasions. Amir has clocked 150 kph plus in 4 different countries . He has the ability to bowl fast spells wheneved he feels like . He can bowl as quick as anyone . His listing is correct. King Tendulkar 1 Link to comment
the don Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said: Do you see the irony here? You are contradicting your own statement! Amir bowls in 130's.. Especially in tests. I am not sure when has Amir clocked quicker than all those 3! Amir has clocked 150 kph in 4 different countries . I have seen him bowl genuinely fast spells . Even the one against india in the asia cup was a fast spell . Only shoaib akhtar and brett lee had the ability to bowl quicker spells i-e 95 mph -99 mph when in the mood . Lee and akhtar circa 2001 -2003 were what you call proper express. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 So have Umesh Yadav, Ishant Sharma and Varun Aaron. RAZPOR, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, the don said: Amir has clocked 150 kph plus in 4 different countries . He has the ability to bowl fast spells wheneved he feels like . He can bowl as quick as anyone . His listing is correct. Yes.... he can be called " fast " .... but Umesh should be called " fast " too. Mosher 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Why is our bowling better than our batting? We are not afraid to give chances to youngsters when it comes to bowling, whereas in batting line up we are still hung onto 2007 T20 WC squad, hardly any change in last 5 years to batting line up. RAZPOR, MCcricket, beetle and 1 other 4 Link to comment
ind_hyd1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Remains to be seen if they can win us series in South Africa or Australia or England Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 hours ago, the don said: Amir has clocked 150 kph in 4 different countries . I have seen him bowl genuinely fast spells . Even the one against india in the asia cup was a fast spell . Only shoaib akhtar and brett lee had the ability to bowl quicker spells i-e 95 mph -99 mph when in the mood . Lee and akhtar circa 2001 -2003 were what you call proper express. Yadav has done that in Aus, England, India..has not played in SA and NZ. Aaron has done that in Aus, NZ, England, Bangladesh, India. Has not played in WI and SA. Mosher and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 hours ago, MultiB48 said: the bowlers need to improve their batting ,only bhuvi and kuldeep have something ,the rest cant even hold the bat.they need to work on this in the junior levels and ranji. Shami too can use the long handle. Umesh is lottery just like his bowling. Bumrahji batting karne aate hai crease par utna hi kafi hai. Link to comment
putrevus Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Bowling odd ball over 150 here and there does make any bowler express.Amir by any stretch is not express neither are Yadav or Varun. Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Yadav has done that in Aus, England, India..has not played in SA and NZ. Aaron has done that in Aus, NZ, England, Bangladesh, India. Has not played in WI and SA. Yes ....and Umesh touched 150 k in Bangladesh too. There was an ODI where both Umesh and Aaron played and both crossed 150 k Mosher and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, putrevus said: Bowling odd ball over 150 here and there does make any bowler express.Amir by any stretch is not express neither are Yadav or Varun. Discussion is about " fast bowlers " .... those who can bowl 135 k to 145 / 147 k spells fairly regularity. If we are talking about " express bowlers " ..... those who can bowl 140 k to 153 k spells fairly regularly .... then we will be left with only Shoaib, Lee, Johnson, Starc.... and, sometimes Cummins and Bond. ( 1999 onward from when speed-guns were regularly used.... and before that it is all speculation with no regular data ) Edited September 23, 2017 by express bowling Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 4 hours ago, the don said: Amir has clocked quicker speeds than all three. He has hit 150 kph on multiple occasions and is rightly listed as left arm fast. show me a few test matches where Amir has clocked an average of say 139 and top speed somewhere in 145-150, this is basic for fast classification. I can show you a few for Shami/Umesh and Ishant. Even for Aaron i can find one i guess. LOI games are a bit erratic, bowlers bowl on rhythm ( on their day you are talking about, does not work in test matches). Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Discussion is about " fast bowlers " .... those who can bowl 135 k to 147 k spells with a certain regularity. If we are talking about " express bowlers " ..... those who can bowl 140 k to 153 k spells with a certain regularity... then we will be left with only Shoaib, Lee, Johnson, Starc.... and, sometimes Cummins and Bond. Ok Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) India does have a lot of variety in its bowling attack nowadays in both tests and ODIs Fast bowlers - Umesh, Shami, Ishant .... Bumrah ( in some spells ) Bounce bowlers - Ishant, Bumrah, Shami, Hardik Swing bowlers - Bhuvi, Umesh, Shardul Death-over-specialists - Bumrah, Bhuvi Wrist spinners - Kuldeep, Chahal, Mishra Finger-spinners _ Ashwin, Jadeja, Axar Darters - Jadeja, Axar Edited September 22, 2017 by express bowling Rightarmfast and tweaker 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, Vilander said: show me a few test matches where Amir has clocked an average of say 139 and top speed somewhere in 145-150, this is basic for fast classification. I can show you a few for Shami/Umesh and Ishant. Even for Aaron i can find one i guess. LOI games are a bit erratic, bowlers bowl on rhythm ( on their day you are talking about, does not work in test matches). Aaron was the quickest bowler on average on Aus tour in 2015 quciker than Johnson and Umesh. Rightarmfast and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Aaron was the quickest bowler on average on Aus tour in 2015 quciker than Johnson and Umesh. unfortunately for us he did not play so many games. But yeah he was super quick when he traveled to Aus. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
the don Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Yadav has done that in Aus, England, India..has not played in SA and NZ. Aaron has done that in Aus, NZ, England, Bangladesh, India. Has not played in WI and SA. Yadav and aaron are not good enough to be a part of the indian odi attack at present . Why are we discussing them . ?? Edit : ok just noticed this isnt about the odi attack . Edited September 22, 2017 by the don Link to comment
the don Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, express bowling said: Yes.... he can be called " fast " .... but Umesh should be called " fast " too. True for Umesh . I think he needs a stand out world tournament to announce himself or a succesful overseas test series . I have noticed he drops his pace slightly in world events . Edited September 22, 2017 by the don Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, the don said: True for Umesh . I think he needs a stand out world tournament to announce himself or a succesful overseas test series . I have noticed he drops his pace slightly in world events . he was 2nd highest wicket taker in last ODI world cup. Mosher and ThePhenomenal1 2 Link to comment
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