Unrelenting bowling line-up offers India fresh edge

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, the don said:

True for Umesh . 

I think he needs a stand out world tournament to announce himself or a succesful overseas test series . I have noticed he drops his pace slightly in world events .

True for Umesh and Aaron for sure. And Bumrah is close to that. I am genuinely not biased, but Amir is not express. He can bowl at high speeds, but he bowls in 130's.

[Brainfade]

Maybe RJS and Arun need to be given some credit toii.

[the don]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

True for Umesh and Aaron for sure. And Bumrah is close to that. I am genuinely not biased, but Amir is not express. He can bowl at high speeds, but he bowls in 130's.

Look muhammad amir in his first ever appearance at the 2009 t20 world cup was bowling quicker than most . He was one of the fastest bowlers in the asia cup and one of the fastest in the world t20 in India rivalled only by wahab riaz .The likes of bumrah were playing those tournaments . This is a guy coming back after a 5 year lay off from all forms of cricket and can still hit top gear whenever the situation demands . Bumrah much like umar gul did has added a yard of pace to his bowling recently. Remains to be seen how long he can keep it up .Bowlers who play all three formats of the game need to be smart with regards to shifting through the gears which is where amir has been smart after the layoff. In this day and age if you go all out in all three formats you will break down sooner or later .He has that extra yard of pace and he knows when to use it which he has shown time and again and he hasnt even hit peak conditioning yet after the ban. He must not go all out in test matches or his back will give way . Must only go up a gear when its reversing.

 

There was a thread to keep a tab on pace battle at the 2015 worldcup between umesh and wahab and i said the same thing . That wahab has that extra few yards of pace and he proved it right whenever both played with the same speed guns and same conditions.

 

None of the bowlers you mentioned are close to being express fast btw .

akhtar , lee , tait , waqar younis year 88-91 is what express fast looks like.

Many bowlers have bowled an odd quick spell or a quick delivery here and there.

 

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, the don said:

True for Umesh . 

I think he needs a stand out world tournament to announce himself or a succesful overseas test series . I have noticed he drops his pace slightly in world events .

 

The Umesh - Shami opening pair came to the limelight in the World Cup 15.

 

Umesh was the 3rd and Shami was the 4th highest wicket-taker of the tournament.

 

Also.... Umesh bowled 140 k to 150 k and Shami 137 k to 147 k

 

Their wicket-taking ability and pace as a pair came to the limelight on a big stage.

 

 

In the CT 17 ... Umesh got to play just 2 games .... and bowled 138 k to 148 k in one of the matches.

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[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, the don said:

Look muhammad amir in his first ever appearance at the 2009 t20 world cup was bowling quicker than most . He was one of the fastest bowlers in the asia cup and one of the fastest in the world t20 in India rivalled only by wahab riaz .The likes of bumrah were playing those tournaments . This is a guy coming back after a 5 year lay off from all forms of cricket and can still hit top gear whenever the situation demands . Bumrah much like umar gul did has added a yard of pace to his bowling recently. Remains to be seen how long he can keep it up .Bowlers who play all three formats of the game need to be smart with regards to shifting through the gears which is where amir has been smart after the layoff. In this day and age if you go all out in all three formats you will break down sooner or later .He has that extra yard of pace and he knows when to use it which he has shown time and again and he hasnt even hit peak conditioning yet after the ban. He must not go all out in test matches or his back will give way . Must only go up a gear when its reversing.

 

There was a thread to keep a tab on pace battle at the 2015 worldcup between umesh and wahab and i said the same thing . That wahab has that extra few yards of pace and he proved it right whenever both played with the same speed guns and same conditions.

 

None of the bowlers you mentioned are close to being express fast btw .

akhtar , lee , tait , waqar younis year 88-91 is what express fast looks like.

Many bowlers have bowled an odd quick spell or a quick delivery here and there.

 

So you are trying to say bowlers who bowl 155+ are express. Which discounts Waqar Younis. He was mostly 145- 148 bowler who could cross 150. The fastest he was clocked at was 152.  Also, when it comes to maintaining pace, Waqar Younis was worse than any Indian bowler. He could only bowl at genuine pace for the first 2-3 yrs of his career. After that, it was only his reputation, which started to go down the drain as early as 95-96.

 

Amir is a good player by Pakistani standards and he has it in him to up his pace for a few overs. Which he does in ODI's. He doesnt possess the strength and stamina to bowl fast in Test matches, which Yadav, Shami and Aaron do.

While I do agree that Amir is a decent bowler and an above decent bowler in extremely bowler friendly conditions

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, the don said:

None of the bowlers you mentioned are close to being express fast btw .

akhtar , lee , tait , waqar younis year 88-91 is what express fast looks like.

Many bowlers have bowled an odd quick spell or a quick delivery here and there.

 

Waqar was never in the category of Akhtar, Tait, Lee.

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, the don said:

Look muhammad amir in his first ever appearance at the 2009 t20 world cup was bowling quicker than most . He was one of the fastest bowlers in the asia cup and one of the fastest in the world t20 in India rivalled only by wahab riaz .The likes of bumrah were playing those tournaments . This is a guy coming back after a 5 year lay off from all forms of cricket and can still hit top gear whenever the situation demands . Bumrah much like umar gul did has added a yard of pace to his bowling recently. Remains to be seen how long he can keep it up .Bowlers who play all three formats of the game need to be smart with regards to shifting through the gears which is where amir has been smart after the layoff. In this day and age if you go all out in all three formats you will break down sooner or later .He has that extra yard of pace and he knows when to use it which he has shown time and again and he hasnt even hit peak conditioning yet after the ban. He must not go all out in test matches or his back will give way . Must only go up a gear when its reversing.

 

There was a thread to keep a tab on pace battle at the 2015 worldcup between umesh and wahab and i said the same thing . That wahab has that extra few yards of pace and he proved it right whenever both played with the same speed guns and same conditions.

 

None of the bowlers you mentioned are close to being express fast btw .

akhtar , lee , tait , waqar younis year 88-91 is what express fast looks like.

Many bowlers have bowled an odd quick spell or a quick delivery here and there.

 

Buddy. Amir is slower than Umesh and Shami. Does wahab play tests ? Dont quote odi. Bumrah clocks 148 in those..at times. 

[the don]

On 23/09/2017 at 11:12 AM, Rightarmfast said:

So you are trying to say bowlers who bowl 155+ are express. Which discounts Waqar Younis. He was mostly 145- 148 bowler who could cross 150. The fastest he was clocked at was 152.  Also, when it comes to maintaining pace, Waqar Younis was worse than any Indian bowler. He could only bowl at genuine pace for the first 2-3 yrs of his career. After that, it was only his reputation, which started to go down the drain as early as 95-96.

 

Amir is a good player by Pakistani standards and he has it in him to up his pace for a few overs. Which he does in ODI's. He doesnt possess the strength and stamina to bowl fast in Test matches, which Yadav, Shami and Aaron do.

While I do agree that Amir is a decent bowler and an above decent bowler in extremely bowler friendly conditions

Most batsmen of the 90s reckon waqar was the quickest at the time . There is documented evidence

Lol he even clocked well over 90 mph in a test match where they had speed guns in 96 when he wasnt even at his peak . There is a video on youtube .

 

 

[the don]

On 23/09/2017 at 11:12 AM, Rightarmfast said:

So you are trying to say bowlers who bowl 155+ are express. Which discounts Waqar Younis. He was mostly 145- 148 bowler who could cross 150. The fastest he was clocked at was 152.  Also, when it comes to maintaining pace, Waqar Younis was worse than any Indian bowler. He could only bowl at genuine pace for the first 2-3 yrs of his career. After that, it was only his reputation, which started to go down the drain as early as 95-96.

 

Amir is a good player by Pakistani standards and he has it in him to up his pace for a few overs. Which he does in ODI's. He doesnt possess the strength and stamina to bowl fast in Test matches, which Yadav, Shami and Aaron do.

While I do agree that Amir is a decent bowler and an above decent bowler in extremely bowler friendly conditions

Shami needs to be fit enough and aaron needs to be good enough to get on the park .

Seen enough of shami and yadav and neither of them are faster then their counterparts around the world .

They hardly ever outpace the opposition bowlers in the same game let alone being fast by world standards . 

Its not like the matches are not live.

[the don]

I like bumrah as an odi bowler but you just have to watch him bowl to see that he will struggle to get the right arm fast tag . He is a clever bowler though

 

Cummins on the other hand has shown real pace . I thought he had lost pace when i saw him against Pakistan after injury.

[the don]

On 23/09/2017 at 11:24 AM, rkt.india said:

Waqar was never in the category of Akhtar, Tait, Lee.

He wasnt but  most batsmen say he was the fastest in the 90s and alot of them  call him express . He was obviously not shoaib akhtar circa 2002 -2004 but than not many are . Burewala express was definitely express before his stress fracture even after than when he was a lot slower he clocked over 150 kph.

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, the don said:

He wasnt but  most batsmen say he was the fastest in the 90s and alot of them  call him express . He was obviously not shoaib akhtar circa 2002 -2004 but than not many are . Burewala express was definitely express before his stress fracture even after than when he was a lot slower he clocked over 150 kph.

We didnt have many genuine fast bowlers during that time 89-95.

[the don]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

We didnt have many genuine fast bowlers during that time 89-95.

True but he was clocked very very rarely from 89 to 95.

He still clocked speeds of 154 kph in 93 and 153 kph in 96 on the few occasions they had speed guns

That and the words of the peers lead me to beleive that he was genuinely express around 89 to 92.

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, the don said:

Shami needs to be fit enough 

 

Shami has had injury breaks and operations like most fast bowlers do .... but has played 13 tests in the last 14 months ....  he is playing most test matches.

 

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Seen enough of shami and yadav and neither of them are faster then their counterparts around the world .

They hardly ever outpace the opposition bowlers in the same game

 

In test matches, Umesh and Shami ( even Ishant )  have been as quick as any other quick pacers , except Starc.  They are specialists is sustaining high pace in tests.

 

In LOIs,  there has been 3 or 4 quicker pacers.

 

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let alone being fast by world standards . 

 

 

Ah ... that is an exaggeration and you know it.

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[Vilander]

5 hours ago, the don said:

Shami needs to be fit enough and aaron needs to be good enough to get on the park .

Seen enough of shami and yadav and neither of them are faster then their counterparts around the world .

They hardly ever outpace the opposition bowlers in the same game let alone being fast by world standards . 

Its not like the matches are not live.

Biggest joke its vitriol like this that sets pak fans apart delusional jihad variety. Dude admir is a trundler in tests. Shami Yadav average 140 in completed tests and peak 145 -148, thats comfortably faster than anything pak bowlers bowl in tests.

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, the don said:

True but he was clocked very very rarely from 89 to 95.

He still clocked speeds of 154 kph in 93 and 153 kph in 96 on the few occasions they had speed guns

That and the words of the peers lead me to beleive that he was genuinely express around 89 to 92.

In the same periof Srinath was clocked faster sorry..chuckoslamaktar is the only fast man from pak..

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, the don said:

He wasnt but  most batsmen say he was the fastest in the 90s and alot of them  call him express . He was obviously not shoaib akhtar circa 2002 -2004 but than not many are . Burewala express was definitely express before his stress fracture even after than when he was a lot slower he clocked over 150 kph.

Nope he was clocked 140 to 145 which is fast still for pak standards as seen now.

[vayuu1]

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He wasnt but  most batsmen say he was the fastest in the 90s and alot of them  call him express . He was obviously not shoaib akhtar circa 2002 -2004 but than not many are . Burewala express was definitely express before his stress fracture even after than when he was a lot slower he clocked over 150 kph.

Lol kaunsewala express yar ye kya hai kabhi chawalbhindi express aur Kabhi burwala express lol.

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