Sachin 90s teams batting Line up vs Kohli's post 2011 team batting lineup , Man to Man comparison. Who had better players around him???

[Cricketics]

Kohli has better bench strength but times are different too so can't compare both.

 

Tendulkar was a better player to set up games, Kohli is still learning that. Kohli is a better chaser which Tendulkar could not be. 

 

Kohli needs to learn from Tendulkar how to concentrate when batting first and setting totals. Kohli is a goat in ODI's but he can still learn that from Tendulkar. 

[Singh bling]

12 hours ago, Nonbeliever said:

Example of great support.  Just look at the reponse from.top order. Somasunder

Mc grath , Fleming , Gillespie , this was pretty good bowling attack

[Jimmy Cliff]

Re: Indian ODI batting circa 90s, I'd divide it into 4 phases:

 

1990-1993

 

This was truly the weakest batting phase in the decade with a bunch of players averaging in the low 30s and the likes of Shastri having a SR of 50 . The only guy who was making runs consistently at an exceptional SR was none other than Mohammad Azharuddin. Azhar not only had the best raw stats but also happened to be the MOTS in the Hero Cup and the MOTM in the Asia Cup final (these were the only multi-national tournaments we won in this period). Oh, he was also our top-scorer in the '92 WC. SRT was the only other specialist batsman in the side who batted with a SR of 70+.

 

 

1994-1995

 

 

Achhe din for our ODI side as we had a massive upgrade at the top of the order with SRT as an opener. However, it's not a one man show as Sidhu had an amazing couple of years averaging nearly 50 with a SR of 70+. Jadeja and Kambli stepped up as well averaging 40+. Azhar was no longer as consistent as he was from 90-93 but made up for it by delivering MOTM performances in the Singer World Series Final as well as the Asia Cup Final.

 

 

1996-1998

 

 

This is clearly SRT at his peak as he played a leading role in multiple tournament wins. Titan Cup in India, Independence Cup in Dhaka, Desert Storm series in Sharjah, Series Final against a strong SL side in their backyard were all won with SRT being the top scorer, MOTS, or MOTM in the final or all of the above! The supporting cast changed somewhat as Sidhu and Kambli faded away and Ganguly and Dravid emerged. Azhar surprisingly enough maintained an average of 40+ at a healthy SR of 73. Jadeja moved to the middle-order and became a discount Bevan. This is the only phase in the 90s where we were close to being a "Sachin or bust" side. Still, others did step up every now and then like Sidhu and Jadeja vs Pak in the '96 WC, Ganguly winning 4 back to back MOTM awards vs Pak in 97 and Ganguly and Robin Singh in the 3rd Final at Dhaka in '98.

 

 

1999

 

After his best ever year in '98, SRT started off with a poor series in NZ and was never the same after his back injury in Chennai. Ganguly by the end of the year established himself as the best ODI batsman in the side and Dravid ended up as the top scorer in the '99 WC. As good as these guys were, we missed SRT rather badly and got our asses kicked in back to back finals against PAK.

 

tl;dr: SRT did most of his damage in two phenomenal years in 1996 and 1998. During his best phase (94-98), he did have decent support first from Sidhu/Azhar/Kambli/Jadeja and then from Azhar/Ganguly/Jadeja. Azhar may have been a match fixer but was a bloody good ODI batsman and performed superbly from 90-93 when he had diabolical support.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Jimmy Cliff

[kira]

22 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

This is what pisses me offf , calling someone god. He was a genius, one of the top most player, many will say best or in top 5 but god is too much ........thats what i call overrating someone . 

Sachin is GOD, the only true GOD, deal with it peasant 

[mishra]

Pakistan windies Australia England South Africa, atleast there were 5 teams which would have kicked asses of a Indian team without Sacin any day. If not every day the. Atleast 9/10 days. 

zimbos, kiwis were only side against whom our  team without sachin was any good.

 

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, mishra said:

Pakistan windies Australia England South Africa, atleast there were 5 teams which would have kicked asses of a Indian team without Sacin any day. If not every day the. Atleast 9/10 days. 

zimbos, kiwis were only side against whom our  team without sachin was any good.

 

Those teams were kicking our asses with Sachin too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, kira said:

Sachin is GOD, the only true GOD, deal with it peasant 

Ur god not mine, for me a human being who excelled in the field thats it

He like other humans had his limitations, flaws , areas were others were better. 

[sergio04]

most complete batsman the world has ever seen

 

[CoverDrive]

On paper and talentwise you could argue that those in 90s team were not that bad compared to present guys. But mentally they really had a losing mentality. Sachin was one who would stand up on big occasions. 

 

Things started changing with likes of Yuvraj and later Dhoni and with Kohli we are really as good as the best in terms of temperament. 

 

It is actually in skills now we fall short sometimes when playing in alien conditions etc. 

[mishra]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Those teams were kicking our asses with Sachin too.

Yes, I think thats probably right too. Below is list of players Sachin opened with.

 

A Jadeja, M Prabhakar, NS Sidhu, V Rathour, NR Mongia, S Somasunder, SC Ganguly, SV Manjrekar, WV Raman, S Ramesh, VVS Laxman, R Dravid, S Sriram, V Sehwag, PA Patel, G Gambhir, W Jaffer, RV Uthappa, KD Karthik

 

 

The same used to fail at opening slot and were dropped to middle order. Now who the hell apart from the ones in bold think that, they either player from list could win odi matches. Ones in bold came way way later

 

 

Edited September 25, 2017 by mishra

[mishra]

1 hour ago, CoverDrive said:

On paper and talentwise you could argue that those in 90s team were not that bad compared to present guys. But mentally they really had a losing mentality. Sachin was one who would stand up on big occasions. 

 

Things started changing with likes of Yuvraj and later Dhoni and with Kohli we are really as good as the best in terms of temperament. 

 

It is actually in skills now we fall short sometimes when playing in alien conditions etc. 

No, You cant argue. Players who represented in middle order during Azaharuddin era were piss pathetic. All you do is check scorecard for any odi series.

[velu]

12 hours ago, kira said:

Sachin is GOD, the only true GOD, deal with it peasant 

god of choking :p

 

[Anoop K]

Kohli has much better support.  Rohit Sharma as an opener averages 53. Shikar dhawan 45 ,both have strike rate near 90. Sharna's strike rate appears lower because of his earlier 'not so successful ' years in middle order. 

Kohli himself averages 55 with strike rate of 90+ .Compare this to Dravid who was averaging 35 with 67 strike rate till the end of 90's

Azhar was good odi batsman but only till 1995. After that he became very inconsistent. Dhoni is far better than Azhar anyway. Azhar was a fixer and never supported Sachin as dhoni supports Virat. 

Jadeja and pandya are equally good till now. Jaddu was a fixer too. 

[Anoop K]

1 hour ago, velu said:

god of choking :p

 

Compare record of Virat kohli in all finals & semi finals till now with performance of Sachin in finals and semis. You will know who is the real choker. 

[vayuu1]

Look guys who did not watch India play during 90 s don't understand and never will . Team was poor really and folded as soon as so much as said boo to them . Only one man stood up and regularly took it all hit big punches back . Sachin got out it was literally switch tv and it's all over . 
 
Takes one amazing man to have mates who could not fhight back . Yet he would go head and out with balls in pants to front up and lead these pussies in to battle 
 
sachin was a god and a true great . People who saw later part of career won't understand as agree as time came on he became more calculated and risk free . Back in 90 s he was like a frearless warrior . God i love that man 

Most of us use to switch off tv after Sachin's dismissal even if u have to chase 220-230

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[velu]

1 hour ago, Anoop K said:

Compare record of Virat kohli in all finals & semi finals till now with performance of Sachin in finals and semis. You will know who is the real choker. 

it doesnt change any facts about sachin

 

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, velu said:

god of choking :p

 

Sachin choking Dhoni(left) and velu(right):

 

 

 

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, Anoop K said:

Compare record of Virat kohli in all finals & semi finals till now with performance of Sachin in finals and semis. You will know who is the real choker. 

kohli has 35 in 2011 winning WC.. Sachin tuk tuks ended up costing like Wc 2007 with his mighty 7(26) against Bangladesh and his both scores in 2003 and 2011 finals doesn't even addup to 25.. When pressure is on he chokes

[jusarrived]

lets assume the team in 90s was extremely weak compared to today , it actually makes Virat's case stronger . Hes single handedly winning matches even with great players around , he stands out among these great players thats how ridiculously good hes been . its easier looking good with Mongia , Jadeja and Robin singh . 

Edited September 25, 2017 by jusarrived
:)

[Rasgulla]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ur god not mine, for me a human being who excelled in the field thats it

He like other humans had his limitations, flaws , areas were others were better. 

Over rated that's what he is..