How Many Matches Will Rahane Cost Us, Before He is Dumped?

[Shunya]

He seems to be doing enough to be backup to Shikhar and Rohit as an opener. Unfair to drop him right now.

The other guys Pandey, Kedar, Rahul, Pandya - need to fight for middle order slots and learn how to win/finish more games...unlike today.

[Pollack]

No. Rahane didn't cost us match today. But he will in future for sure if he plays like this.

 

The most important factor was inability to take wickets in first 15 overs on flat tracks. Last match we got away with it. This time the inevitable happened.

[Khota]

If anyone thinks that Rahane cost us the match then we were watching two different shows.

[flamy]

Please, no more Rahane in ODIs. Pujara and Rahane just play in your white pajamas.

[sandeep]

4 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

Congrats Rahane has scored in 2 series. Another couple of series secured. This series he has good average with SR so we are screwed.

 

When the time comes for a clutch game, watch what happens.

 

You can just see the upcoming train wreck with Rahane and Dhoni in the lineup.

 

3 hours ago, Khota said:

If anyone thinks that Rahane cost us the match then we were watching two different shows.

 

I strongly disagree.   You can point to the Rohit run-out, or the dismissals of VK / Pandya / Pandey / Jadhav as important turning points - but those types of things happen in a game, and are not a controllable variable.   The fact that Rahane ate the number of balls that he did, when the other 3 openers were all able to bat at close to 100% or higher SR, is what left our middle order with too much to do.   Not saying that Jadhav / Pandya / Pandey /Dhoni shouldnt have done better.  It was still possible to win, and they failed.   But Rahane's failure is bigger than theirs.  And that was a controllable variable - something that was well within reach for top class opening batsmen to address.  Problem is, Rahane is simply not a top class ODI opener.  He is a very good batsman, but isn't able to find a way to score at the required rate.  Dhawan is a much more inferior batsman than him, but you would not see Shikhar bat at 80 SR on a track like this - he may get out cheaply, but that's almost better than sucking balls like a Dyson vacuum.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

Either ur a match winner or ur utility player and rahane is none

give him 50 more games and still all issues will be there with him. A player like him is suitable for sides like WI, SL, Pak but not for a top team like ind,eng,sa. 

 

We have such a good bench strength to try and we are wasting time on him who hasn't even learned to convert his start. IF he has to give start and throw wits well do it like gilly,sehwag........ill take that anyway over this 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

 

I strongly disagree.   You can point to the Rohit run-out, or the dismissals of VK / Pandya / Pandey / Jadhav as important turning points - but those types of things happen in a game, and are not a controllable variable.   The fact that Rahane ate the number of balls that he did, when the other 3 openers were all able to bat at close to 100% or higher SR, is what left our middle order with too much to do.   Not saying that Jadhav / Pandya / Pandey /Dhoni shouldnt have done better.  It was still possible to win, and they failed.   But Rahane's failure is bigger than theirs.  And that was a controllable variable - something that was well within reach for top class opening batsmen to address.  Problem is, Rahane is simply not a top class ODI opener.  He is a very good batsman, but isn't able to find a way to score at the required rate.  Dhawan is a much more inferior batsman than him, but you would not see Shikhar bat at 80 SR on a track like this - he may get out cheaply, but that's almost better than sucking balls like a Dyson vacuum.  

And the thing with dhawan is once he is set more often then not he ll make a 100 and he steps up his game during World tournaments. 

Dhawan S/r is also good . 

 

Rahane adds no value to the team. Had dhawan played this series he wud have 2 or atleast 1-100 for sure

[Khota]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

 

I strongly disagree.   You can point to the Rohit run-out, or the dismissals of VK / Pandya / Pandey / Jadhav as important turning points - but those types of things happen in a game, and are not a controllable variable.   The fact that Rahane ate the number of balls that he did, when the other 3 openers were all able to bat at close to 100% or higher SR, is what left our middle order with too much to do.   Not saying that Jadhav / Pandya / Pandey /Dhoni shouldnt have done better.  It was still possible to win, and they failed.   But Rahane's failure is bigger than theirs.  And that was a controllable variable - something that was well within reach for top class opening batsmen to address.  Problem is, Rahane is simply not a top class ODI opener.  He is a very good batsman, but isn't able to find a way to score at the required rate.  Dhawan is a much more inferior batsman than him, but you would not see Shikhar bat at 80 SR on a track like this - he may get out cheaply, but that's almost better than sucking balls like a Dyson vacuum.  

He was pretty close to 100% sr. Held up one end at a good rate. A 400 sr is meaningless if you only face one ball. Are there players better than Rahane go ahead and try them but he was not the reason the game was lost. Run out was unfortunate but someone at the time dhoni came could have done some damage.

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Either ur a match winner or ur utility player and rahane is none.

Dhoni is also neither of it nowadays.

 

[cowboysfan]

8 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

He is not going anywhere, these guys are killing KL Rahul's career. 

nope.Rahul is already a test mainstay,he hasnt taken his chances in ODIs at all but he still has lots of time.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

He was pretty close to 100% sr. Held up one end at a good rate. A 400 sr is meaningless if you only face one ball. Are there players better than Rahane go ahead and try them but he was not the reason the game was lost. Run out was unfortunate but someone at the time dhoni came could have done some damage.

Rahane lost this because first 15-20 overs were best for batting and he got out when set. It wasn't easy to hit later part of innings.

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rahane lost this because first 15-20 overs were best for batting and he got out when set. It wasn't easy to hit later part of innings.

Lot of players get out that score. It is better than what so many others scored. He scored higher than 7 others. It is little bit hard to score at the top when everyone is fresh. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Lot of players get out that score. It is better than what so many others scored. He scored higher than 7 others. It is little bit hard to score at the top when everyone is fresh. 

hard to score at the top?  There is a reason a lot of batsman find success opening because it is one of the easiest batting spot in ODIs. Flat pitches, field restrictions everything in favor. Thing is Rahane is not a match winner, can best be a support caste to someone like Dhawan or Rohit but you need match winner openers. Rahane isnt that. He got out after eating so many balls and scoring at 80 SR where you needed someone to bat at 110 SR. There is your those 15-20 runs that could have made a difference. Imagine him scoring 70 of 66 instead of 53 that is 17 runs difference.  All other batsmen scored 100 or more.  Rohit 118 SR, Kohli 100, Pandya 102, Jadhav 97, Pandey 132. where we lost was Rahane scoring at 80 SR.

[Khota]

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

hard to score at the top?  There is a reason a lot of batsman find success opening because it is one of the easiest batting spot in ODIs. Flat pitches, field restrictions everything in favor. Thing is Rahane is not a match winner, can best be a support caste to someone like Dhawan or Rohit but you need match winner openers. Rahane isnt that. He got out after eating so many balls and scoring at 80 SR where you needed someone to bat at 110 SR. There is your those 15-20 runs that could have made a difference. Imagine him scoring 70 of 66 instead of 53 that is 17 runs difference.  All other batsmen scored 100 or more.  Rohit 118 SR, Kohli 100, Pandya 102, Jadhav 97, Pandey 132. where we lost was Rahane scoring at 80 SR.

Could not disagree more. First two matches India won top 6 scored less than 100% and the 3rd one only 2 scored more than 100% at third match only 3 scored that.

The main culprit was bowling that coceded 300+ runs and to top it off middle order did not do its part.

If before the match starts and someone tells me that the opener will score 50+ @ 80% scoring rate I would take my chances everytime.

[Khota]

12 hours ago, sergio04 said:

if we cant score 90 in last ten with 6 wicket in hands then our lowe middle order is not good enough

Exactly.

[WC2011INDIA]

First of all he is not going to be part of WC 2019 so I am okay with them giving him chances in an odd series or two. Let him play in such meaningless series to pad his stats...funny thing is that he is stuck in the 2000s for quite some time. LMAO. Even on best days he can't score more than 50-70. So he has no one to blame except himself. 

[Vk1]

Very important observation from someone...Rahane doesn't rotate the strike much... and this definitely impacts Rohit. We have seen Rohit forcefully going for a single on the last ball of the overs.  A free flowing player like Rohit needs proper strike rotation. 

Also we lost T20 semifinal against windies solely because of Rahane. He simply isn't good enough  for flat pitches.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Rahane 2 best series against top teams

 

India vs Australia current

									Progressive
	Date	Versus	Ground	How Dismissed	Runs	B/F	S/R		Aggr	Avg	S/R
1	17/09/2017	Australia	MA Chidambaram Stadium	c †M S Wade b N M Coulter-Nile	5	15	33.33		5	5.00	33.33
2	21/09/2017	Australia	Eden Gardens	run out	55	64	85.94		60	30.00	75.95
3	24/09/2017	Australia	Holkar Cricket Stadium	lbw b P J Cummins	70	76	92.11		130	43.33	83.87
4	28/09/2017	Australia	M Chinnaswamy Stadium	c A J Finch b K W Richardson	53	66	80.30		183	45.75	82.81

 

Ind vs Sa 2015 

Progressive
	Date	Versus	Ground	How Dismissed	Runs	B/F	S/R		Aggr	Avg	S/R
1	11/10/2015	South Africa	Green Park	c D A Miller b F Behardien	60	82	73.17		60	60.00	73.17
2	14/10/2015	South Africa	Holkar Cricket Stadium	b Imran Tahir	51	63	80.95		111	55.50	76.55
3	18/10/2015	South Africa	Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium	c D A Miller b M Morkel	4	7	57.14		115	38.33	75.66
4	22/10/2015	South Africa	MA Chidambaram Stadium	c †Q de Kock b D W Steyn	45	53	84.91		160	40.00	78.05
5	25/10/2015	South Africa	Wankhede Stadium	c F Behardien b D W Steyn	87	58	150.00		247	49.40	93.92

 

So many starts not even a single 100, s/r have been below 90 apart from 2 games .

If his best is also avg or above avg 

 

Time to move on 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

If before the match starts and someone tells me that the opener will score 50+ @ 80% scoring rate I would take my chances everytime.

In chinnaswamy ground, on that patta will u take that ???????

Infact will u take that on many pattas around the world ?????

Will u take that if u have to chase 320+ which is the case these days ?????

Edited September 29, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

The main culprit was bowling that coceded 300+ runs and to top it off middle order did not do its part.

What did u expected on this track n ground were bhuvi, bumrah and kuldeep were rested . 

300+ is a normal thing these days